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Post by hop2 on Jul 26, 2015 21:44:38 GMT
My DH ( not so d right now actually ) has picked fights with both Kids every weekend lately. He acts worse than the two teens, his responses have been so immature, rude, condescending etc. I can't say anything or I'm 'ganging upon him' he won't listen even at a different/calmer time. It's so painful to watch I can't bear it anymore. Both kids avoid him. And DH keeps telling me no one respects him.
I want to shout 'Well of course not, your being an ass.' But I don't. He wouldn't listen anyway.
I'm just venting. I'm very sad, I thought therapy would help. Not so much. Now all we hear is 'this is how I feel, my feelings are valid' While that may be true, that doesn't mean you have to share them and share them in the most hurtful way possible. The things he says are just plain mean. He's destroying any relationships he had left because he just continues to be an ass.
I really don't know what to do anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 21:47:29 GMT
I'm sorry.
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Post by originalvanillabean on Jul 26, 2015 21:47:54 GMT
Hugs to you. I'm very sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 21:52:00 GMT
I'm sorry. Since you can't reason with him is there any possibility of reasoning with the kids, or getting them scooted out of the house to activities before he has a chance to engage with them? Not ideal because a teen shouldn't have to be more mature than the adult but it might help. (Not sure how old your kids are)
And maybe it is time for you and the kids to make an exit from him to leave somewhere else in peace. Sorry you are going through this. His feelings are valid but so are the kids and your's.
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Post by myboysnme on Jul 26, 2015 21:52:33 GMT
Well feel free to confront that behavior on behalf of your children. They will remember that you took up for them.
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Post by anniefb on Jul 26, 2015 21:52:46 GMT
So sorry to hear this - sending hugs.
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Post by gar on Jul 26, 2015 21:55:59 GMT
That must be very hard to watch....and frustrating of course. Would there be any point in writing any of it down....would he 'hear' it any better that way perhaps?
I'm sorry.
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Post by scrapqueen01 on Jul 26, 2015 22:22:28 GMT
Is your dh going to therapy alone or are you guys going together? Is there any way you could discuss this with his therapist or talk to someone yourself? Is going to therapy his idea or does he feel like he is being forced to go?
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Post by tincin on Jul 26, 2015 22:37:27 GMT
Obviously there is something else going on but by the time he figures out how bad he is behaving he may have destroyed relationships that will be difficult to heal. If you can't talk to him is there a friend or a close relative who could talk to him without him losing it?
By the way, you may want to remind him that just like his feelings are valid, so are yours and your children's.
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Post by quinmm14 on Jul 26, 2015 22:39:00 GMT
I'm sorry you're dealing with this situation. I understand what you mean, my dh is very 'direct' for lack of a better term (well okay, he can be a total asshat sometimes), but when I let him know he could work on his delivery, he thinks I'm stifling him.
There's a huge difference between voicing your feelings and just being an ass. (Not directed towards your dh).
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Post by k8smom on Jul 26, 2015 22:56:12 GMT
Using the guise of therapy to validate his feelings and hurt others in the process is not okay. There has to be a bigger issue at play here that he is not being honest about, and he is using his position of control as a parent to let his anger roll downhill to the kids... not cool! Look up the characteristics of narcissistic behavior. If this seems to be applicable, there isn't anything that can be done to change his personality, but he can, and should, learn to modify his behavior or he will end up a very lonely person blaming everyone but himself for his circumstances. Hugs to you and the kids.
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Post by Heart on Jul 26, 2015 23:08:16 GMT
this was my DH for years. He used the old chesnut, "my feelings are valid" repeatedly. I finally had it and told him- "yes, your feelings are valid. But other people's feelings matter, too; and if you don't stop stomping on people and bullying them, you won't have anyone to share your feelings WITH." Calling him out and pointing out that it was bullying was what really made the difference- but it was an ugly, viscous fight because he didn't treat me any better. I had to stand up for myself and call him on his BS before anything could change.
I really hate confrontation so this was really hard, but there's no way I was living with a bully anymore.
good luck
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Post by hop2 on Jul 26, 2015 23:12:06 GMT
DH is mid 40's DD is 18 and going to college in 3 weeks. As of now she can not wait to leave. DS is 16 he is frustrated. He tries to get DH's attention but DH blows him off That already are acting more mature than DH is. DH is in therapy alone, I wasn't even allowed to know his therapists name. ( former therapist several years before this one, apparently told him pretty much what I did and he insisted I must have called and biased the therapist against him) ![:rolleyes:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ui47LhQw2NqWVWNNqtfM.jpg) DH has no friends, he now treats everyone this way so what few he had are gone. I mean he expects everyobe to be perfect, his way on his timetable and he doesn't hold back any of his 'valid feelings' no matter how nasty they are. Obviously there's more going on but this therapist hasn't helped much. I'm afraid voltagain may be right. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) I guess I have ducks to line up. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg)
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 26, 2015 23:22:38 GMT
DH is mid 40's DD is 18 and going to college in 3 weeks. As of now she can not wait to leave. DS is 16 he is frustrated. He tries to get DH's attention but DH blows him off That already are acting more mature than DH is. DH is in therapy alone, I wasn't even allowed to know his therapists name. ( former therapist several years before this one, apparently told him pretty much what I did and he insisted I must have called and biased the therapist against him) ![:rolleyes:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ui47LhQw2NqWVWNNqtfM.jpg) DH has no friends, he now treats everyone this way so what few he had are gone. I mean he expects everyobe to be perfect, his way on his timetable and he doesn't hold back any of his 'valid feelings' no matter how nasty they are. Obviously there's more going on but this therapist hasn't helped much. I'm afraid voltagain may be right. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) I guess I have ducks to line up. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) I'm sorry! But...if it means peace and happiness then yes, get those ducks waddling!
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Post by happymomma on Jul 26, 2015 23:28:44 GMT
DH is mid 40's DD is 18 and going to college in 3 weeks. As of now she can not wait to leave. DS is 16 he is frustrated. He tries to get DH's attention but DH blows him off That already are acting more mature than DH is. DH is in therapy alone, I wasn't even allowed to know his therapists name. ( former therapist several years before this one, apparently told him pretty much what I did and he insisted I must have called and biased the therapist against him) ![:rolleyes:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ui47LhQw2NqWVWNNqtfM.jpg) DH has no friends, he now treats everyone this way so what few he had are gone. I mean he expects everyobe to be perfect, his way on his timetable and he doesn't hold back any of his 'valid feelings' no matter how nasty they are. Obviously there's more going on but this therapist hasn't helped much. I'm afraid voltagain may be right. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) I guess I have ducks to line up. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) Hugs, great big ones, to you. Though my ducks have been lined up for some time now, I am afraid that they now need to start marching. Ugh. I hate this and I hate it for you.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 26, 2015 23:32:57 GMT
Yea well, at least me and DD are closer. So there's that.
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Post by lurkingsince2001 on Jul 26, 2015 23:43:08 GMT
Perhaps this would only make things worse, but I'd be documenting the hell out of this behavior. My first thought was that you should record him when he's acting like this and play it back to him, that perhaps if he actually saw it from an outside view maybe he would realize that he's becoming a bullying a**hole. But that might make him angry and aggressive. Has he ever been violent at all?
Then my thought was that documenting this stuff might be useful during any divorce proceedings. And handy to have if there are any doubters who haven't lived your marriage and think you are blowing things out of proportion or making things up, etc..
And repeat over and over that his feelings are valid but so are all of yours and they are not a license to abuse or bully.
He either needs the harsh wake-up call of his family leaving him or he just won't care. Either way, you'll get some peace eventually.
People behave in a way that gets them a payoff. I'm not certain what his is but I can tell it's at the expense of those around him and that's unacceptable.
As for the not being allowed to now the therapists name? That almost sounds like a man with something to hide, like an affair. There's no logic behind it: if money from my my household is paying those bills, I'm gonna know if I am so inclined. Is insurance paying for it? There are ways to find out.
Good luck. I know this is a terrible situation. But you can't let it continue, especially for your kids. Aside from the fact that staying would basically mean asking your son to endure this for another two years, they will always remember how you let him treat them and yourself. You are modeling how to act for them and what a relationship should and shouldn't be. When you find yourself waffling, or the thought of all the paperwork or being alone gets to be too much, remember that your family deserves better than this.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 26, 2015 23:50:30 GMT
Perhaps this would only make things worse, but I'd be documenting the hell out of this behavior. My first thought was that you should record him when he's acting like this and play it back to him, that perhaps if he actually saw it from an outside view maybe he would realize that he's becoming a bullying a**hole. But that might make him angry and aggressive. Has he ever been violent at all? Then my thought was that documenting this stuff might be useful during any divorce proceedings. And handy to have if there are any doubters who haven't lived your marriage and think you are blowing things out of proportion or making things up, etc.. And repeat over and over that his feelings are valid but so are all of yours and they are not a license to abuse or bully. He either needs the harsh wake-up call of his family leaving him or he just won't care. Either way, you'll get some peace eventually. People behave in a way that gets them a payoff. I'm not certain what his is but I can tell it's at the expense of those around him and that's unacceptable. As for the not being allowed to now the therapists name? That almost sounds like a man with something to hide, like an affair. There's no logic behind it: if money from my my household is paying those bills, I'm gonna know if I am so inclined. Is insurance paying for it? There are ways to find out. Good luck. I know this is a terrible situation. But you can't let it continue, especially for your kids. Aside from the fact that staying would basically mean asking your son to endure this for another two years, they will always remember how you let him treat them and yourself. You are modeling how to act for them and what a relationship should and shouldn't be. When you find yourself waffling, or the thought of all the paperwork or being alone gets to be too much, remember that your family deserves better than this. Oh I do know his therapists name, I looked in the checkbook. But I wouldn't call him because if I did I would invalidate anything the person said in DH's eyes. I never spoke to the last therapist eithet lol.
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Post by MorningPerson on Jul 26, 2015 23:57:03 GMT
Good luck. I know this is a terrible situation. But you can't let it continue, especially for your kids. Aside from the fact that staying would basically mean asking your son to endure this for another two years, they will always remember how you let him treat them and yourself. You are modeling how to act for them and what a relationship should and shouldn't be. When you find yourself waffling, or the thought of all the paperwork or being alone gets to be too much, remember that your family deserves better than this. I very much agree with all of this.
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Post by georgiapea on Jul 27, 2015 0:38:01 GMT
Your situation doesn't sound safe at all. I hope there is someone who knows what he is saying and doing to you and the kids. I think recording him and keeping a record of what he's doing would be very wise.
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Post by Dori~Mama~Bear on Jul 27, 2015 3:29:55 GMT
hugs..... I would stand up for your children. I don't care who it is if any body was doing that to my children I would come unhinged on them. Even if it was my husband. Therapy only works if the person want it to work.
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Post by momof3pits on Jul 27, 2015 8:42:27 GMT
Hugs. The situation sounds terrible. What is he in theray for? Can you go see someone together?
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Post by SabrinaM on Jul 27, 2015 8:53:29 GMT
Is he depressed? Anxiety? Is he under a lot of stress at work? When was the last time he had a physical and bloodwork?
Unfortunately, it sounds like he is being completely unreasonable. So, even if you suggested he try medication (for depression /anxiety if that is the issue) he may not be open to it.
I'm sorry you're going through this. I'd also consider divorce if he continues this horrible behavior without considering changing it.
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Post by Heart on Jul 27, 2015 11:46:28 GMT
I just can't let go of this.
This may come across as harsh, but I think it needs to be said.
You either want this to change, or you're too afraid to change. If you want this to change, you have to hold him accountable for his actions and what they do to you and those around him. You have to be deliberate and determined- and TELL HIM that his tone and language are NOT ACCEPTABLE. You have to make it clear that while his feelings are valid, there are appropriate ways to express them and what he is doing is not ok. If he is laying down guilt trips and trying to minimize you, stand up and tell him that you won't tolerate it.
Someone upthread said that people act in specific ways to get a payoff. His payoff is being able to bully those around him into being afraid to confront him. He gets to say what he wants and then watches other people be miserable or leave (thus proving that he's superior etc).
Your comment of "of course I won't call because that would invalidate whatever the (counselor) says" really struck me- he has you completely cowed. You are more afraid of what will happen if you act outside of what he wants than what happens if this keeps going. You don't seem afraid of what this will do to you, your kids or your family unit at all.
I do know exactly what this feels like, as I said. My DH was an emotional bully for years. He played guilt and blame trips, warped things into being my fault, yelled at and picked fights with the kids, the whole 9. I finally decided that I needed a partner and not to be a punching bag any more. I knew that the consequence could be that I would be alone, but it was worth it to me.
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Post by myboysnme on Jul 27, 2015 12:09:25 GMT
DH is mid 40's DD is 18 and going to college in 3 weeks. As of now she can not wait to leave. DS is 16 he is frustrated. He tries to get DH's attention but DH blows him off That already are acting more mature than DH is. DH is in therapy alone, I wasn't even allowed to know his therapists name. ( former therapist several years before this one, apparently told him pretty much what I did and he insisted I must have called and biased the therapist against him) ![:rolleyes:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ui47LhQw2NqWVWNNqtfM.jpg) DH has no friends, he now treats everyone this way so what few he had are gone. I mean he expects everyobe to be perfect, his way on his timetable and he doesn't hold back any of his 'valid feelings' no matter how nasty they are. Obviously there's more going on but this therapist hasn't helped much. I'm afraid voltagain may be right. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) I guess I have ducks to line up. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) Don't blame the therapist. He has to do his own work and sounds like he isn't. No therapist can fix asshole.
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Post by gailoh on Jul 27, 2015 12:24:00 GMT
I really hope you have a job outside the home...if it were me I would try and get bills paid down, put money away where he does not know about and get paperwork copied.
It sounds like he will not change because he is always right...
You and your kids deserve a true adult husband and a caring father for the kids.
Ask the kids what they think should happen for them and for you when he is not home.
Hugs to you and them.
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Post by jenb72 on Jul 27, 2015 13:10:51 GMT
The problem is he seems to think that only his feelings are the valid ones. Your feelings and the feelings of the kids are just as valid.
And respect begets respect. He can't treat the people around him like dirt under his shoes and then expect them to respect him.
Reminds me of my ex.
Jen
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Post by librarylady on Jul 27, 2015 14:03:26 GMT
I'm sorry. Since you can't reason with him is there any possibility of reasoning with the kids, or getting them scooted out of the house to activities before he has a chance to engage with them? Not ideal because a teen shouldn't have to be more mature than the adult but it might help. (Not sure how old your kids are) And maybe it is time for you and the kids to make an exit from him to leave somewhere else in peace. Sorry you are going through this. His feelings are valid but so are the kids and your's. I think it is time that DH transitions to "my ex" It is not right to allow your children and yourself to remain in this situation. The future will be scary, but peaceful. No one should live in this kind of situation.
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Post by giatocj on Jul 27, 2015 14:05:22 GMT
I am so sorry that you and your kids are going through this...your husband sounds like he is hard to deal with at best, and a true bully at worst. His behavior is damaging your children and you need to advocate for them, or remove them from the situation. I agree that you may have to get those ducks in a row and get out. None of you deserve to live like this, and, as Dr. Phil would say, he is re-writing the slate of your children's lives with his abhorrent behavior and bullying.
If he chooses not to do the work to improve himself and his attitude, you may very well have to make a very hard choice. Everyone deserves to be treated better than this.
Best of luck and hugs to you all. I hope you can make him see the damage he is doing and work on healing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 14:22:23 GMT
Painful for you to watch... painful for them to endure. Their father's actions are damaging their souls and spirits forever. Rescue them.
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