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Post by Kymberlee on Aug 3, 2015 17:26:34 GMT
I am almost hesitant to say this, but I am like Hilary Clinton less these days. I feel like there is an almost...patronizing? air about her 'I am for the middle class' speeches. It is hard to put my finger on it, and it has nothing at all to do with email servers and Benghazi, but rather just a feeling of slight condescension when I listen to her speak. It both bothers me and surprises me that I feel this way as I typically like her. Back in the old days you could also find 'blue dog democrats'...fiscally conservative, socially liberal. I think I fit in that category and frankly there really isn't a candidate that fits in the bill. I was going to mention that *to me* she sounds so patronizing and smug, but I don't like her so I thought maybe it was just me. She also seems to be able to keep the press at arms length and the press just seems to go along with it. Kinda like she is a rock star and no one can question the great Hillary. Again, that could be me because I think she is awful. Something else that that concerns me is that HRC is so divisive. It seems to me that half the country really dislikes her, a part of the electorate will vote for her because she has a D beside her name, and a smaller percentage actually likes and supports her.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 17:32:30 GMT
Can Independents answer? I have voted for Republicans and Democrats for president. I don't like the idea of another Bush or Clinton in the White House. The more I read about Sanders, I like him, but don't see him getting the nomination. Stranger things have happened. Obama was relatively unknown. I am not a fan of either party. I will probably "throw away" my vote again this election and vote third party. It doesn't matter anyway. I don't live in a swing state and a Republican will get the electoral votes.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 3, 2015 17:35:39 GMT
I am almost hesitant to say this, but I am like Hilary Clinton less these days. I feel like there is an almost...patronizing? air about her 'I am for the middle class' speeches. It is hard to put my finger on it, and it has nothing at all to do with email servers and Benghazi, but rather just a feeling of slight condescension when I listen to her speak. It both bothers me and surprises me that I feel this way as I typically like her. Back in the old days you could also find 'blue dog democrats'...fiscally conservative, socially liberal. I think I fit in that category and frankly there really isn't a candidate that fits in the bill. I was going to mention that *to me* she sounds so patronizing and smug, but I don't like her so I thought maybe it was just me. She also seems to be able to keep the press at arms length and the press just seems to go along with it. Kinda like she is a rock star and no one can question the great Hillary. Again, that could be me because I think she is awful. Something else that that concerns me is that HRC is so divisive. It seems to me that half the country really dislikes her, a part of the electorate will vote for her because she has a D beside her name, and a smaller percentage actually likes and supports her. I agree with this. My conservative friends are already saying how stupid people who would vote for her are and how evil she is and a whole host of other things. They HATE her guts. They also hate Obama. It's a good thing they have no idea how I vote. If HRC wins, we will continue to have the same pissing contest stalemate that has been our government lately. Can't do anything good for the country because the other side might get the credit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 17:39:10 GMT
As of now, I'm supporting Sanders, although I know that Clinton will almost certainly win the nomination. I feel now like I did back in 2008--that Hilary feels like she's owed my vote just because I'm a woman. I don't like her stance on regulating Wall Street and wish she would address the growing income gap. I just think she's been an insider too long to be able to address the economic pressures being faced by the middle class. I would LOVE to see Elizabeth Warren run, but she just can't be persuaded, I guess. Sigh. I just hope Sanders being in the race will force Clinton to have to move left on some issues. I teach Am Gov and it's always fun during a presidential election cycle, but having 20+ candidates to keep track of is becoming exhausting! I guess I'll have to assign one to each student and have them do it. And FWIW, it's the Democratic party. Democrat is a noun, Democratic is an adjective. So I'm a Democratic friend, not a Democrat friend, to reference the OP. I'm seeing this a lot lately and it really irks me. Not meant as a hand slap, just a personal pet peeve of mine. If I really wanted to get on my soapbox about it, I'd regale you with my conspiracy theory about how the GOP started referencing all things Democratic as Democrat because they are such douches that they won't even afford the party the respect of calling it by its proper name, but I digress... Because you teach Am Gov, I will defer that you know more than I do.
The whole Democrat vs. Democratic thing. I know you said it wasn't intended as a hand slap. I googled it and sure enough, there is the theory that the awful GOP began using Democrat as some sort of dig.
But with that said, Even reading what you say and how you came to the conclusion, I still don't understand what you're saying. (although apparently, my use of Democrat in subject line is wrong)
Here's where I am with trying to figure out which is which. Democratic is defined as the nature of democracy. So in that definition, all Americans are Democratic, right?
So yes, I agree that it's the Democratic party, but when referencing ONE or a small group (as I was in my subject line) I'm not talking to the entire party...I'm talking to individuals...which would be Democrats, right?
Democrat is a noun and democratic is an adjective. I understand that. Your example of being my Democratic friend is correct. But you'd also be a friend, who is a Democrat, would you not?
I'm not trying to be obtuse, disrespectful or argumentative. I understand that it's the Democratic party but don't understand why my use of Democrats in the subject line was wrong or a personal pet peeve of yours.
You can tell me all day that I'm wrong...but if I don't understand WHY, I've not learned anything. And with that said, now every time I need to use the word Democrat or Democratic, I'm probably going to try really hard to find another word to use.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 17:41:03 GMT
I think I am going to put my head in the sand and wait for October and next November to hurry up and get here. Two big elections in 2 years is enough.
Do I think anyone is capable? At this point, no.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 3, 2015 17:42:08 GMT
As of now, I'm supporting Sanders, although I know that Clinton will almost certainly win the nomination. I feel now like I did back in 2008--that Hilary feels like she's owed my vote just because I'm a woman. I don't like her stance on regulating Wall Street and wish she would address the growing income gap. I just think she's been an insider too long to be able to address the economic pressures being faced by the middle class. I would LOVE to see Elizabeth Warren run, but she just can't be persuaded, I guess. Sigh. I just hope Sanders being in the race will force Clinton to have to move left on some issues. I teach Am Gov and it's always fun during a presidential election cycle, but having 20+ candidates to keep track of is becoming exhausting! I guess I'll have to assign one to each student and have them do it. And FWIW, it's the Democratic party. Democrat is a noun, Democratic is an adjective. So I'm a Democratic friend, not a Democrat friend, to reference the OP. I'm seeing this a lot lately and it really irks me. Not meant as a hand slap, just a personal pet peeve of mine. If I really wanted to get on my soapbox about it, I'd regale you with my conspiracy theory about how the GOP started referencing all things Democratic as Democrat because they are such douches that they won't even afford the party the respect of calling it by its proper name, but I digress... Because you teach Am Gov, I will defer that you know more than I do.
The whole Democrat vs. Democratic thing. I know you said it wasn't intended as a hand slap. I googled it and sure enough, there is the theory that the awful GOP began using Democrat as some sort of dig.
But with that said, Even reading what you say and how you came to the conclusion, I still don't understand what you're saying. (although apparently, my use of Democrat in subject line is wrong)
Here's where I am with trying to figure out which is which. Democratic is defined as the nature of democracy. So in that definition, all Americans are Democratic, right?
So yes, I agree that it's the Democratic party, but when referencing ONE or a small group (as I was in my subject line) I'm not talking to the entire party...I'm talking to individuals...which would be Democrats, right?
Democrat is a noun and democratic is an adjective. I understand that. Your example of being my Democratic friend is correct. But you'd also be a friend, who is a Democrat, would you not?
I'm not trying to be obtuse, disrespectful or argumentative. I understand that it's the Democratic party but don't understand why my use of Democrats in the subject line was wrong or a personal pet peeve of yours.
You can tell me all day that I'm wrong...but if I don't understand WHY, I've not learned anything. And with that said, now every time I need to use the word Democrat or Democratic, I'm probably going to try really hard to find another word to use.
I'm going to need the explanation too. In your title it seems as though you are using Democrat as a noun and that would be correct. You are asking for specific people in a larger group. Maybe we should just stick CAN at the end because there aren't two forms of republican
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Post by ladytrisha on Aug 3, 2015 17:47:04 GMT
I think it'll be HRC running. She'll bring it home if they are smart and team up with Bernie. That would be a WINNING ticket all the way to the bank. In fact, that's my secret hope ... and there's a huge part of me that wants them to join up now and kick the primary process up a notch. Oh that would be SO much fun.
Republicans - what the hell - but if Trump is all they have, alrighty then because I think the fear of him in charge of nuclear bombs should scare ALL of us!
As for Biden - please no. Visual of "oh, he didn't mean to say that" press meetings ... daily. Just no. LOL
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 3, 2015 17:48:39 GMT
My son & his girlfriend spent the weekend at my home. They are recent college graduates. DS self describes as an Independent. His views change from conservative to liberal depending on the issue.
These two are #feelingthebern and are committed to campaigning for him.
Nothing about HRC resonates with them. From what they expressed, they don't trust her. In fact, they view her not much differently from the other GOP contenders (excluding Trump who they think is just plain crazy).
So, maybe those who think Bernie Sanders is not electable, might want to check to see how he is resonating with a younger demographic in the polls.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 17:54:38 GMT
More on the Democrat vs. Democratic usage. My apologies in advance to LucyG for using her as an example AND to the Democrats in Congress. (well maybe only Lucy)
Lucy is a registered Democrat.
The Democratic party calls Lucy on the phone during campaign season.
I don't like how some Democrats in Congress operate.
Are these sentences not correct? (because these sentences are my understanding of correct usage)
Edited to add another sentence
Lucy is a registered Democrat that typically votes on the Democratic ticket
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Post by loco coco on Aug 3, 2015 18:08:54 GMT
The majority of my friends are young democrats and not fans of HC. She has already proven how untrustworthy she is so I dont blame them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 18:16:10 GMT
The majority of my friends are young democrats and not fans of HC. She has already proven how untrustworthy she is so I dont blame them. Are they "feeling the Bern?"
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Post by meridon on Aug 3, 2015 18:21:23 GMT
More on the Democrat vs. Democratic usage. My apologies in advance to LucyG for using her as an example AND to the Democrats in Congress. (well maybe only Lucy)
Lucy is a registered Democrat.
The Democratic party calls Lucy on the phone during campaign season.
I don't like how some Democrats in Congress operate.
Are these sentences not correct? (because these sentences are my understanding of correct usage)
Edited to add another sentence
Lucy is a registered Democrat that typically votes on the Democratic ticket
These look right to me! Calling it the Democrat Party is not correct, just as calling it the Republic Party is not correct. Democrats are members of the Democratic Party. Democratic candidates are Democrats. Democrats vote for Democratic candidates.
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Post by meridon on Aug 3, 2015 18:22:17 GMT
The majority of my friends are young democrats and not fans of HC. She has already proven how untrustworthy she is so I dont blame them. Are they "feeling the Bern?" How can you not love this guy!? Best slogan in the campaign yet!
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 3, 2015 18:30:46 GMT
I am a proud card carrying member of the Democratic party.. never voted for a republican never will.
My gut says HRC will not be the nominee. I want Elizabeth Warren to run. It doesn't look like that will happen but I think there is a younger more progressive candidate who will come out of the rank and file and win the nomination. I do not think it will be Bernie. I do think Bernie's traction and support is going to change the conversation, both in the Democratic party and the Republican campaign! I am happy about this!
I think it is time to elect a woman !
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Post by likescarrots on Aug 3, 2015 18:45:49 GMT
This kind of makes my eyes boggle because I can't conceive gloating over that field - from my perspective, it's like a clown car of worse and worser. IMO, out of that entire group, there are about 1 1/2 GOP candidates that are viable. Viable is the most polite word I can come up with in this scenario. HRC is my next to last choice of the Democratic candidates so far (Webb being last) but I do believe she has a very good shot at getting the nomination or at least going far in the primaries. Anyone who thinks she is too damaged probably spends too much time with conservative media; from outside that bubble, it's the case of the boy who cried wolf and no one is paying attention to those "scandals" anymore except the true believers. There are only so many scandals that can be the worst, most horrifying, most unethical, etc. etc. and we passed that mark about 4 Benghazi investigations ago. I'm a Bernie gal. We'll see how long he can keep growing momentum. I like Biden. I think he would make a good President. I don't know if enough moderates will give him a chance. This is how i feel as well. I don't consider myself a Democrat, and i much prefer Sanders, but i will happily vote for Clinton if she wins the primary. I honestly think the Republicans are such a disaster that either democratic candidate could win this election. I'm assuming Joe Biden would not run, but my feelings toward him are the same as my feelings toward Clinton.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 3, 2015 18:54:29 GMT
My son & his girlfriend spent the weekend at my home. They are recent college graduates. DS self describes as an Independent. His views change from conservative to liberal depending on the issue. These two are #feelingthebern and are committed to campaigning for him. Nothing about HRC resonates with them. From what they expressed, they don't trust her. In fact, they view her not much differently from the other GOP contenders (excluding Trump who they think is just plain crazy). So, maybe those who think Bernie Sanders is not electable, might want to check to see how he is resonating with a younger demographic in the polls. I have noticed that myself. Who knows what will happen. This nomination is hers to blow. In other words, if she has the sort of campaign that she had in 08, then she has a great chance of losing the primary, and deservedly so. I still don't think that Sanders can win the Presidency if he is the nominee. But hey, what do I know? I thought that Hillary was a shoe-in last time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 18:57:13 GMT
Just came across this on my Yahoo news homepage. (which is why I'm surprised that anyone thinks that the HRC email scandal is a GOP witch hunt)
"Not surprisingly, support for a special prosecutor was stronger among Republicans (89%) than Democrats (39%), but a shockingly high 76% of independents want Justice to take this move."
"Politico this week reported on the fact that two months' worth of her emails — from the spring of 2012 when violence in Benghazi was starting to erupt — appear to be missing."
(and Politico does not lean to the right)
news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/073115-764516-hillary-clinton-email-69-percent-want-special-prosecutor-to-probe.htm
Edited to add...with those numbers...you could say that the 89% of Republicans are seeking a witch hunt. 39% of the Democrats will vote for her regardless. BUt what I find interesting is the 76% of Independents. Are they the ones that seek the truth? Republicans will make it up Democrats will look the other way...but Independents just want the truth. (and that number of 76%...not just a little bit)
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Post by chlerbie on Aug 3, 2015 19:04:05 GMT
If all the people who like Bernie but say "But he doesn't have a chance" would actually vote for him, I think he'd have a good chance of winning.
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Post by ntsf on Aug 3, 2015 19:15:12 GMT
young people don't vote in large enough numbers to overcome the older demographic....see eugene mccarthy...
enthusiasm is not voting. It would be interesting to have hillary and bernie on the same ticket.
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Post by Merge on Aug 3, 2015 19:16:27 GMT
If all the people who like Bernie but say "But he doesn't have a chance" would actually vote for him, I think he'd have a good chance of winning. I would have thought that about Wendy Davis, too. I'm still bitter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 19:16:50 GMT
young people don't vote in large enough numbers to overcome the older demographic....see eugene mccarthy... enthusiasm is not voting. It would be interesting to have hillary and bernie on the same ticket. I don't know this for a fact, but I'll bet young people had a HUGE impact in 2008.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 19:22:54 GMT
young people don't vote in large enough numbers to overcome the older demographic....see eugene mccarthy... enthusiasm is not voting. It would be interesting to have hillary and bernie on the same ticket. I don't know this for a fact, but I'll bet young people had a HUGE impact in 2008.
Well whaddya know.
In 2008, 2/3 of American voters were in the 30-64 age group.
18-29 - 18% (of which 66% voted for Obama) 65 and older - 16%
I really would've thought (and assumed incorrectly) that the young people really did get out and vote in 2008.
www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2008/
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Post by peasapie on Aug 3, 2015 19:24:58 GMT
I'm a middle-of-the-road voter. My liberal friends call me conservative and my conservative friends call me liberal.
I liked Hillary 8 years ago and I like her now. She's smart. She's got some scars, yes, but anyone who's been in the fight as long as she has will have them. The trick is to learn and keep moving forward, which she has done.
I frankly don't know enough about Joe Biden to take him seriously. Maybe that will change.
On the Republican side, I like Dr. Ben Carson. He's an independent thinker who doesn't drink the kool aid on either side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 19:26:34 GMT
Based on what has happened in presidential politics the last 15 years, I'm expecting HRC to be our next president. And I'm scared for our country. I'd rather have Joe Biden. I like John Kasich but I don't think a Republican can win.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 3, 2015 19:39:30 GMT
Well, I want Obama to change the constitution and run for a third term.
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Post by meridon on Aug 3, 2015 19:51:42 GMT
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Post by mzza111 on Aug 3, 2015 20:04:32 GMT
young people don't vote in large enough numbers to overcome the older demographic....see eugene mccarthy... enthusiasm is not voting. It would be interesting to have hillary and bernie on the same ticket. I don't know this for a fact, but I'll bet young people had a HUGE impact in 2008.
Totally agree with your statement.
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Post by mzza111 on Aug 3, 2015 20:08:01 GMT
I despise organized religion so I'll never vote for a republican until they take religion out of their platform.
That being said, I don't want to vote for Hilary but if she is the nominee I will.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 3, 2015 20:14:26 GMT
Yes, I did and although I was joking I would be thrilled to death if he could remain in office. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Michelle ran either. I would love, love, love to see her as the first woman president with her husband as first husband and advisor.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 3, 2015 20:15:59 GMT
I despise organized religion so I'll never vote for a republican until they take religion out of their platform. That being said, I don't want to vote for Hilary but if she is the nominee I will. Are we related? I'll just follow you around liking your posts.
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