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Post by meridon on Aug 3, 2015 20:17:32 GMT
Not sure a Hilary/Bernie ticket could happen. She doesn't like to take a backseat and he's a strong enough personality in his own right that she'd have to share the limelight. But we'll see. It's still very early in the game.
Yep, it's one thing to say you'll vote for someone and quite another to actually show up as a registered voter (with proper ID) at the right polling place and cast a ballot.
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Post by Tamhugh on Aug 3, 2015 20:28:30 GMT
Jenny, I think they still had a big impact. If you look at the demographics in the 2000 and 2004 elections, even though the percentage of voters in that age bracket was similar, they split their votes. In 2000, they were almost equal between Bush and Gore. In 2004, Bush got a little less of a percentage of votes, but they were still reasonably close. In 2008, Obama had twice as much of the age group in his camp. That being said, I have to admit that I may be looking at these numbers wrong. I failed data analysis in college (which was a statistics class based purely on analyzing election statistics).
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Post by birukitty on Aug 3, 2015 20:41:05 GMT
I was really hoping for a woman to vote for this time, but I much prefer Elizabeth Warren over Hillary Clinton. Something in my gut tells me not to trust Hillary Clinton and honestly I need to spend some more time and pay more attention to the candidates before I make a final decision, and besides Elizabeth Warren isn't even running-sure wish she was.
As of right now I'm really liking Bernie Sanders even though I'm a registered Democrat. Lately I've been noticing I've been drawn more to the independent party candidates. Like everyone says, "they'll never win", but maybe since so many like him as it sounds on this board we should just go ahead and vote for him in the primaries and he'll actually have a chance. I don't like the idea of a Hillary/Bernie ticket, but what about a Bernie/Hillary ticket? I'm sure she'd never go for that in a million years! It sure is nice to dream about though.
So anyway, as of now my vote is for Bernie Sanders unless by some miracle Elizabeth Warren decided to join the race and then I'd vote for her because I think she'd have a better chance of winning.
Debbie in MD.
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Post by Tamhugh on Aug 3, 2015 20:45:02 GMT
Not sure a Hilary/Bernie ticket could happen. She doesn't like to take a backseat and he's a strong enough personality in his own right that she'd have to share the limelight. But we'll see. It's still very early in the game. Yep, it's one thing to say you'll vote for someone and quite another to actually show up as a registered voter (with proper ID) at the right polling place and cast a ballot. Hilary and Bernie wouldn't be a smart ticket. They are both from the Northeast and from states that will go Democrat anyway. Either one of them would have to pick someone from a swing state or a Republican state to have that pull. I just asked my 22 year who he liked and what he thought of the others. He is all about Hillary and believes she will get the nomination and win the general. He said he loves Bernie, but thinks that he is too far left to win. His thought is that young people love him because he speaks their language and talks about things that appeal to them. However, he thinks the majority of voters in older age brackets will see him just as a socialist and not be willing to vote for him. He also thinks that Joe Biden can't be counted out. He is likeable and experienced (as long as he doesn't say something stupid). Personally, I am still waiting for something better to come along. I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. I am a moderate Democrat and I don't like any of the choices right now.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Aug 3, 2015 20:47:49 GMT
I've heard that people on both sides of the aisle describe HRC as quite charming in person. I'm really surprised that she comes across in speeches so badly. I agree with whomever said she sounds so patronizing. You'd think Bill could coach her to present better on the stump.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 20:50:56 GMT
I'm loving this discussion! Thank you to all who have participated and shared your opinions. I'm fascinated to read how other people feel about stuff.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 3, 2015 22:25:57 GMT
I think it may be like the jfk assassination. Many believe there is more to it, but it will never be proven. FTR, unless the democratic canidate does something heinous, it doesn't really matter who it is. I will be voting Democrat for the presidential election because the current canidates (save the one who just entered because I don't know enough about him) are so off the mark with what I believe I could never vote for them. I still wish we had a viable third party canidate. I want someone who is fiscally responsible, stays out of people's moral decisions, and is looking to tackle issues like the environment without going overboard. I want someone who doesn't try to legislate morality based on a religion and someone who backs up what they believe in.
Unfortunately what I want is half Democrat and half old school republican and it can't exist in today's political climate. While I am at it, I also want my elected members of Congress to vote in ways that acts reflect what they believe AND what the people who elected them want. I cannot believe that these elected people agree with their base 100% of the time and if that is the case, why bother to vote. Preach. I am not a democrat but am fed up with the current candidates and each cycle it seems to get worse. I agree I would vote third party but not tea party that just doesn't align for me. I agree with the bolded statements above and have been thinking this way for a while and know a lot of people that fall into this camp. It it seems those that are even close to this open their mouths and a whole lot of crazy comes out. I keep hoping that there would be a candidate would come along that I actually trust and would feel good about voting for but it hasn't happened. It seems it gets worse and worse.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 3, 2015 22:40:39 GMT
I've heard that people on both sides of the aisle describe HRC as quite charming in person. I'm really surprised that she comes across in speeches so badly. I agree with whomever said she sounds so patronizing. You'd think Bill could coach her to present better on the stump. o don't find her visually appealing. I know that isn't what I should base my vote on and I won't, but I think people who are more visually appealing or have a voice that you like often catch our attention first, even if they lose it later. With that said, I would like to listen to the following people for president: Martin sheen Morgan freeman Jim Rome Norman Reedus Kate Hudson
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Post by jayfab on Aug 3, 2015 22:53:52 GMT
I do think that Hillary can survive. I don't believe that Sanders can win a national election. It's early days. We'll have to see what happens. exactly. I think if hillary gets the nomination, she will win the white house. I think sanders would do a better job, but would have a harder time winning I think the Republican canidate are a joke and continue to run in their "we are more moral than you" and biblical plathform and will be defeated. I can't wait for the Republican debates to start. I've got extra popcorn ready. Ditto on all of the above. I'll be voting for whoever the dem nominee is. Can't wait til Thursday and expect to be pretty tired on Friday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 23:04:40 GMT
I've been reading that HRC's camp is NOT happy about a possible Biden run. I can only imagine the campaign ads their respective camps would come up with. And who wouldn't love to watch a debate with them?
I'm no Joe Biden fan, but I do trust him more than I trust Hillary. She's about as corrupt as they come. I've always felt she was more interested in her own personal gain than the good of the country. I don't get that vibe with Joe.
No more Clintons. No more Bushes. That's pretty much where I'm at right now.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 3, 2015 23:30:12 GMT
young people don't vote in large enough numbers to overcome the older demographic.... I think that Obama effectively got young people to "Rock the Vote". They are largely independent and if they come out in numbers, can swing the pendulum. I wouldn't discount them. Edited to add - both MSNBC and Fox News this morning were all about Joe Biden running. Maureen Dowd wrote a piece saying the CEO OF Starbucks should run. It seems that many Democrats want to see other options on the ticket.
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Post by ladytrisha on Aug 5, 2015 23:37:48 GMT
There was some discussion on a FB group about HRC, and the name Julian Castro came up (quickly) ... He was the Mayor of San Antonio and then appointed to head HUD (which is considered a stepping stone to office).
Just wondering what the 2peaspeeps think of him. He's young, intelligent and was the Democratic keynote address speaker in 2012. Reminds me of when Obama, the young senator, first popped on the scene right? ... I certainly like what he's done in office and he has a twin also in office. Apparently HRC's camp has perked up interest as well.
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Post by mzza111 on Aug 5, 2015 23:50:15 GMT
There was some discussion on a FB group about HRC, and the name Julian Castro came up (quickly) ... He was the Mayor of San Antonio and then appointed to head HUD (which is considered a stepping stone to office). Just wondering what the 2peaspeeps think of him. He's young, intelligent and was the Democratic keynote address speaker in 2012. Reminds me of when Obama, the young senator, first popped on the scene right? ... I certainly like what he's done in office and he has a twin also in office. Apparently HRC's camp has perked up interest as well. I LOVE him and his brother! I can't wait until they run for president some day! They put Rubio and Cruz to shame!
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Post by jayfab on Aug 6, 2015 0:00:45 GMT
There was some discussion on a FB group about HRC, and the name Julian Castro came up (quickly) ... He was the Mayor of San Antonio and then appointed to head HUD (which is considered a stepping stone to office). Just wondering what the 2peaspeeps think of him. He's young, intelligent and was the Democratic keynote address speaker in 2012. Reminds me of when Obama, the young senator, first popped on the scene right? ... I certainly like what he's done in office and he has a twin also in office. Apparently HRC's camp has perked up interest as well. I don't know a ton about him, but so far I like what I read/hear about him.
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Post by Merge on Aug 6, 2015 2:51:34 GMT
There was some discussion on a FB group about HRC, and the name Julian Castro came up (quickly) ... He was the Mayor of San Antonio and then appointed to head HUD (which is considered a stepping stone to office). Just wondering what the 2peaspeeps think of him. He's young, intelligent and was the Democratic keynote address speaker in 2012. Reminds me of when Obama, the young senator, first popped on the scene right? ... I certainly like what he's done in office and he has a twin also in office. Apparently HRC's camp has perked up interest as well. Love Julian Castro. Finally a national-level politician from Texas we don't have to be embarrassed about.
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 6, 2015 4:04:31 GMT
I've heard that people on both sides of the aisle describe HRC as quite charming in person. I'm really surprised that she comes across in speeches so badly. I agree with whomever said she sounds so patronizing. You'd think Bill could coach her to present better on the stump. o don't find her visually appealing. I know that isn't what I should base my vote on and I won't, but I think people who are more visually appealing or have a voice that you like often catch our attention first, even if they lose it later. With that said, I would like to listen to the following people for president: Martin sheen Morgan freeman Jim Rome Norman Reedus Kate Hudson No Kate Hudson - she definitely is the reason for the newest Muse album Drones - "Dead Inside" "Psycho" and I guess he slept with her so he should know...
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 6, 2015 4:07:18 GMT
There was some discussion on a FB group about HRC, and the name Julian Castro came up (quickly) ... He was the Mayor of San Antonio and then appointed to head HUD (which is considered a stepping stone to office). Just wondering what the 2peaspeeps think of him. He's young, intelligent and was the Democratic keynote address speaker in 2012. Reminds me of when Obama, the young senator, first popped on the scene right? ... I certainly like what he's done in office and he has a twin also in office. Apparently HRC's camp has perked up interest as well. Love Julian Castro. Finally a national-level politician from Texas we don't have to be embarrassed about. I'm not from Texas but I still miss Ann Richards!
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 6, 2015 4:16:55 GMT
OK. Here goes. 8 years ago I voted HRC. My thinking is that there was a lot of crap to clear up and she could have done it. (Hindsight I'm not so sure. I own that). I also thought it would give Obama a more even playing field for this election cycle etc. So of course Obama threw that thinking out the window.
Now I'm not too certain about HRC because I think she owes too many people like most of the GOP. I like Bernie but they say he can't win it, but it really seems he is going to shape the narrative for the election cycle whether he wins or not. I adore Elizabeth Warren but I want her to stay exactly where she is and be a big PITA to McConnell and his cronies. I think Joe Biden might make a good VP again. He is really good at it and I don't know if he has the heart to run for President. He considered resigning on the death of Beau so that has to take its toll on him. I hadn't heard Julian Castro being in the running but I like what I know about him so far.
I think the whole Democratic Party is just biding time to see how the GOP is probably going to shake out. Right now is the time not to lose votes a candidate should already have for various reasons, it isn't the time to necessarily gain them.
If I vote for HRC she needs to up her game a bit. There is a lot I don't like about her but it doesn't compare with the crazy statements of the GOP candidates, so she is still ahead of them by a very long shot.
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Post by gryroagain on Aug 6, 2015 5:52:11 GMT
I love Hillary, and always have. She is a consummate po.titian, yes, but we kind of need one. I actually align most with Bernie, I would be a socialist except I don't want to throw my vote away so I vote Democrat. Should he gain enough momentum to be viable, I would vote for him, much as I'd love HRC to be President. The lady will get stuff done, which with all of the gridlock lately we need. But I could never forfeit my true values if Sanders is a real contender.
There is pretty much no way I would ever vote for a Republican. Too many fundamental things I believe in that differ wildly from every candidate of the last 20 years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 16:17:04 GMT
This kind of makes my eyes boggle because I can't conceive gloating over that field - from my perspective, it's like a clown car of worse and worser. IMO, out of that entire group, there are about 1 1/2 GOP candidates that are viable. Viable is the most polite word I can come up with in this scenario. HRC is my next to last choice of the Democratic candidates so far (Webb being last) but I do believe she has a very good shot at getting the nomination or at least going far in the primaries. Anyone who thinks she is too damaged probably spends too much time with conservative media; from outside that bubble, it's the case of the boy who cried wolf and no one is paying attention to those "scandals" anymore except the true believers. There are only so many scandals that can be the worst, most horrifying, most unethical, etc. etc. and we passed that mark about 4 Benghazi investigations ago. I'm a Bernie gal. We'll see how long he can keep growing momentum. I like Biden. I think he would make a good President. I don't know if enough moderates will give him a chance. This must be the new millennium's version of the Monica Lewinsky thing being nothing more than a "vast right-wing conspiracy". Neither conservatives or the media are responsible for Hillary breaking regulations and laws to keep a server in her house or deleting the server after she was ordered to provide the hard drive, failing to provide emails as ordered - just to name a few of the issues. To say that conservatives and media are creating this issue is insulting and even more ignorant than those of us you're trying to insult by painting as ignorant for wanting our public servants/presidential candidates to follow the laws and regulations and stop being so damn sleazy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 17:03:53 GMT
Oh sleazy. I like that word and it sums up the 17 GOP contenders. Especially the one the GOP voters say they like and is leading the GOP polls.
Anyway Hillary will get my vote and not because she is a woman but because against everyone else running today she is the most qualified. Hands down. She knows what it is like to live in the pressure cooker we call the White House. She was a U.S. Senator. And she was Secretary of State which gives her the foreign cred that all the GOPers are scrambling to get with silly little trips out of the country.
If Joe Biden should enter the race then he does have a lot of experience maybe more than Hillary but he is Uncle Fluffy and I won't vote for Uncle Fluffy.
I like Bernie and I agree with most of what he says but he is just too far to the left to win a general election. His roll is to push Hillary a little more left of center. The Democrats have a good message and shouldn't run from it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 17:05:32 GMT
I think it's hysterical that krazy can so quickly point out that the 17 GOP candidates are sleazy while completely overlooking stuff in her own beloved party. Most people on this board can admit that all politicians suck. They all lie. They're ALL sleazy. Makes me
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 17:08:45 GMT
krazyscrapper "HRC is the pillar of truth and goodness". LMAO
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 17:13:10 GMT
I think it's hysterical that krazy can so quickly point out that the 17 GOP candidates are sleazy while completely overlooking stuff in her own beloved party. Most people on this board can admit that all politicians suck. They all lie. They're ALL sleazy. Makes me Yes ALL politicians have baggage but the focus is on Hillary and only Hillary. Maybe when the right starts talking about the very big short comings of their own I won't feel the need to step in. Care to start?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 17:24:20 GMT
krazyscrapper "HRC is the pillar of truth and goodness". LMAO Ah you do understand there is a difference between " qualified" and "truth and goodness" don't you? Well maybe not. Oh maybe you were just trying to be cute. Well may I suggest the next time you want to be cute you may want to understand what you are being cute about. Just saying.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 6, 2015 17:30:30 GMT
I've heard that people on both sides of the aisle describe HRC as quite charming in person. I'm really surprised that she comes across in speeches so badly. I agree with whomever said she sounds so patronizing. You'd think Bill could coach her to present better on the stump. I don't think it's a matter of coaching. There are some people who are just really, really good at connecting with people - and there is an even smaller group of people who are good at connecting with people through a speech - and an even smaller group of people who can connect with people through a speech through television. I've met both Clintons (all three actually) and Hillary is extremely personable in a small group, and she gives a pretty good speech in person. She just doesn't have the ability to transcend across tv and connect with people in that really personal way. I really don't think it's teachable.
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Post by k8smom on Aug 6, 2015 17:39:17 GMT
I was a little afraid to open this thread. I'm a Democrat but you know what, I want the best person for the job. I am so tired of the president bashing happening in the US right now, so weary of the lines drawn in the sand between political parties, so very exhausted by the petty BS. I would love to see a woman president in my lifetime, but I'm not convinced it will be Hilary. I'm a pretty big fan of Joe Biden the person, I'll have to see as we progress through this how I feel about Joe Biden potential president. And no, I don't think Sanders has a real shot. I found this cheat sheet interesting.
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 6, 2015 18:15:23 GMT
I've heard that people on both sides of the aisle describe HRC as quite charming in person. I'm really surprised that she comes across in speeches so badly. I agree with whomever said she sounds so patronizing. You'd think Bill could coach her to present better on the stump. I don't think it's a matter of coaching. There are some people who are just really, really good at connecting with people - and there is an even smaller group of people who are good at connecting with people through a speech - and an even smaller group of people who can connect with people through a speech through television. I've met both Clintons (all three actually) and Hillary is extremely personable in a small group, and she gives a pretty good speech in person. She just doesn't have the ability to transcend across tv and connect with people in that really personal way. I really don't think it's teachable. Let's be honest, that's why she hung on to Bill. He does have that factor despite his flaws.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 6, 2015 18:25:20 GMT
I don't think it's a matter of coaching. There are some people who are just really, really good at connecting with people - and there is an even smaller group of people who are good at connecting with people through a speech - and an even smaller group of people who can connect with people through a speech through television. I've met both Clintons (all three actually) and Hillary is extremely personable in a small group, and she gives a pretty good speech in person. She just doesn't have the ability to transcend across tv and connect with people in that really personal way. I really don't think it's teachable. Let's be honest, that's why she hung on to Bill. He does have that factor despite his flaws. He's as charismatic in person as people claim. Even my husband, who is a pretty harsh critic of their politics, commented on it. I actually disagree with many in that I don't think that she stays for his political acumen - I think she probably does love him for all his flaws. Or perhaps it's the combination..... who knows what really goes on in any marriage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 18:31:14 GMT
I think it's hysterical that krazy can so quickly point out that the 17 GOP candidates are sleazy while completely overlooking stuff in her own beloved party. Most people on this board can admit that all politicians suck. They all lie. They're ALL sleazy. Makes me Yes ALL politicians have baggage but the focus is on Hillary and only Hillary. Maybe when the right starts talking about the very big short comings of their own I won't feel the need to step in. Care to start? Well HRC is the Democratic front runner, no? I don't see anyone on this thread (myself included) that has given glowing reviews to ANY of the GOP candidates. My OP also says there have been plenty of threads started about all of the GOP candidates, and honestly, after tonight, I'm pretty sure the board will be lit up with more. This thread was going along pretty well...with people from all sides with all different beliefs having adult discussion. There was no finger pointing and no immature claims against a party or candidate we didn't personally align with.
Congratulations, krazy!
You continue to feel whatever "need" you have to "step in". Relevancy be damned.
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