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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 16:43:33 GMT
linkLast night at the Reagan Library Jeb gave his major Foreign Policy Speech. I understand why everyone is fascinated by Hillary and her emails but they may want to start paying attention to what the gaggle of 17 are saying as one of them might actually become president. The first paragraph of the attached article should scare the hell out of Americans. IMO "Jeb Bush, laying out his strategy to combat ISIL on Tuesday called for establishing a no-fly zone over Syria, defeating President Bashar-al Assad's regime, and embedding US Troops with Iraq forces all the while expanding US engagement across the globe."He then goes on to say: "Defeating ISIL requires defeating Assad, but we have to make sure that his regime is not replaced by someone as bad or worse."
Why would the US want to expand military engagement across the globe? And have we not learned anything about regime change. I think over the decades our grade for regime change is a F-. And time and time it's been proven regime change creates more problems then it solves. The sad part it seems the gaggle of 17 seem to feel the same way in various degrees. I agree we need to eliminate ISIL however I'm not sold the only way to do it is with our troops especially since ISIL is not discriminating against who they are attacking. Where are the other countries in this fight? I'm tired of American soldiers fighting everyone's war for them. ISIL is a universal enemy and it's time the rest of the universe step up. Sending our troops should be the absolute last resort. And that is why I don't like Jeb's plans or the rest of the gaggle of 17's vision for this country if any of them should become President.
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 12, 2015 17:08:53 GMT
UGh! I can actually totally agree with you on a topic. We need to stop policing the world. Unless we are going to go in and take over completely, then we need to pull our troops home and let these countries figure out their own messes. Our interference in the middle east is what made us the great Satan. I'll still vote for any of the 17 over Bernie Sanders any day of the week. I will never as long as I live in a free country vote for an avowed socialist. It goes against everything our country stands for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 18:13:10 GMT
What! You don't want an old socialist for President!  If the race for president wasn't so serious it might be fun to watch Bernie vrs Trump. Now a debate between those two would be something. Talk about two die in the wool opposites. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 18:16:26 GMT
linkI agree we need to eliminate ISIL however I'm not sold the only way to do it is with our troops especially since ISIL is not discriminating against who they are attacking. Where are the other countries in this fight? I'm tired of American soldiers fighting everyone's war for them. ISIL is a universal enemy and it's time the rest of the universe step up. Sending our troops should be the absolute last resort. Bolded is mine in answer to your question. The quote is taken from the CNN report that you linked and is correctly reported It also gets a bit tiresome to hear that the only people fighting ISIS is just the US. Other countries are just as involved and has the same accomplished goal in mind.It's insulting to the troops from other countries to undermine their sacrifices and not to acknowledge their presence. That includes some middle east countries and not just western countries. Maybe the difference is that other countries don't shout it from the rooftops and they acknowledge that the best strategy is a coalition that is working as one to accomplish the end result. Maybe it would be prudent for Jeb Bush to understand this before he alienates the country's allies. |
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 12, 2015 18:39:31 GMT
What! You don't want an old socialist for President! If the race for president wasn't so serious it might be fun to watch Bernie vrs Trump. Now a debate between those two would be something. Talk about two die in the wool opposites. LOL. I totally agree it would be. Both are so extreme they make the others look moderate. If either is elected we'll be living in the movie Idiocracy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 19:13:42 GMT
linkI agree we need to eliminate ISIL however I'm not sold the only way to do it is with our troops especially since ISIL is not discriminating against who they are attacking. Where are the other countries in this fight? I'm tired of American soldiers fighting everyone's war for them. ISIL is a universal enemy and it's time the rest of the universe step up. Sending our troops should be the absolute last resort. Bolded is mine in answer to your question. The quote is taken from the CNN report that you linked and is correctly reported It also gets a bit tiresome to hear that the only people fighting ISIS is just the US. Other countries are just as involved and has the same accomplished goal in mind.It's insulting to the troops from other countries to undermine their sacrifices and not to acknowledge their presence. That includes some middle east countries and not just western countries. Maybe the difference is that other countries don't shout it from the rooftops and they acknowledge that the best strategy is a coalition that is working as one to accomplish the end result. Maybe it would be prudent for Jeb Bush to understand this before he alienates the country's allies. When I talk about others joining the fight I'm talking about the countries in the Middle East. The UK has always been by our side. Even when we make mistakes like Iraq. Yes I know what we are already doing in the region. I also know we are trying to train rebels to fight ISIL but we can't find enough suitable canidiates But the drum beat is growing louder for additional troops to enter the fight. And I get the impression the countries in the region are sitting back waiting for the U.S. and allies to commit troops while they continue to sit on the sidelines. It doesn't help that the Republican Party of this country is willing to send our troops to fight. At some point US and UK troops may need to enter the fight but not until we get firm troop commitments from the countries in the region. But that is a problem in itself. Turkey, who was sitting on the sidelines while fighting was happening at their border, is now willing to do something since ISIL went in to Turkey. But while they just now gave us permission to use an airbase in Turkey they are also working with Iran. The Middle East is just a big quicksand that keeps dragging you in. And now you have Bush wanting to run right toward the quicksand. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 12, 2015 19:28:30 GMT
Bahrain is carrying out air strikes, so is Jordan. SA has contributed but to what degree I'm not entirely sure - monetarily at the very least. UAE has also carried out air strikes. Iraq has agreed to allow allied forces to use their air space for air strikes. Lebanon is. . . well, Lebanon - they've agreed to. . . IDK, I don't really understand that part.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 20:39:11 GMT
When I talk about others joining the fight I'm talking about the countries in the Middle East. The UK has always been by our side. Even when we make mistakes like Iraq. Yes I know what we are already doing in the region. I also know we are trying to train rebels to fight ISIL but we can't find enough suitable canidiates But the drum beat is growing louder for additional troops to enter the fight. And I get the impression the countries in the region are sitting back waiting for the U.S. and allies to commit troops while they continue to sit on the sidelines. It doesn't help that the Republican Party of this country is willing to send our troops to fight. At some point US and UK troops may need to enter the fight but not until we get firm troop commitments from the countries in the region. But that is a problem in itself. Turkey, who was sitting on the sidelines while fighting was happening at their border, is now willing to do something since ISIL went in to Turkey. But while they just now gave us permission to use an airbase in Turkey they are also working with Iran. The Middle East is just a big quicksand that keeps dragging you in. And now you have Bush wanting to run right toward the quicksand. I wasn't referring to the just the UK. I did say middle east countries as well as western countries. Training Iraqi troops is equally as important as the military airstrike and many western countries are doing this. It's useless bombing these countries if you then leave them defenceless in the future which is what happened with Iraq and one of the main reason why ISIS has been allowed to flourish. And the same thing will happen again if we're not careful if we go "gun ho" into Syria to get rid of Assad. Middle east countries include the following that have military combat roles in airstrikes against ISIS. Saudi Arabia .... Did you not see the story a while ago about the first woman in Saudi to fly "top guns" fighter aircraft on a strike on Syria? Then there's United Arab Emirates....Jordan...Qatar...Bahrain and Jordan.All middle east countries. You also have to consider that countries like Egypt and Libya to name a couple, no longer have the military power to effectively get involved. And although Turkey hasn't, until recently been involved in military action because to some extent their hands were tied by the kidnapping of more than 40 Turks by Islamic State militants in northern Iraq. Whether one agrees with their stance or not we don't have the right to judge their decision to wait for their freedom by putting the lives of their citizens first before they became involved. But they have sent aid given logistic support and have a massive refugee camp just inside the border for the people that are fleeing across the border from Syria. So not all middle east countries are sitting back and waiting for others to do the work. ISIS are as much as a threat to them as it is to us in the west. |
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