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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 15:44:47 GMT
I've received my quarterly statement and I know that when I enrolled in 401k years ago, I was 21 and my portfolio is considered high risk. I was told that was okay because I was young.
I'm trying to look over my statement and I want to move my investments into something stable and not risky but I have no idea what that is?!? I called the company asking and they just told me they can't give me any advice.
Most of my money is in equities..90%. And 10 in fixed income.
Just wondering if anyone is able to tell me what is considered safe so that if the market were to come crashing down tomorrow, I could minimize the damage.
I would love any advice! Thanks!
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Post by christine58 on Aug 13, 2015 15:48:13 GMT
What I do is meet with the person who "manages" my 403 (b) (I'm a public employee). He/she can walk you through the choices. I'll go look real quick and see what mine are for you..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 16:05:19 GMT
The conventional wisdom is the younger you are, the higher your risk tolerance in retirement funds because you have many years before needing that money.
I'm 42 and still have most of my 401(k) in fairly aggressive investments because I have over 20 years until retirement and I want to maximize growth on these funds. But that's my personal risk tolerance.
You want to be careful about getting too conservative too young because you will lose out on the time value of money - the lower your risk, the lower your returns.
It's a balancing act. It sounds like you don't have a financial advisor and I'd highly recommend you get one (fee-based) to help you make decisions like this with your full financial situation in mind.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Aug 13, 2015 16:15:33 GMT
Do you have a list of funds available to choose from? Many have their risk tolerance in their name - fixed income, conservative, moderate, aggressive, etc. I like to keep a mix of "aggressive" and "moderate" funds, and I don't want more than 25% of my money in any one fund. I don't do as much research as I probably should, but on my company's 401K website, I can click each fund and view how it performed over the past 1, 5, and 10 years. I want funds that are fairly consistent with trends in a positive direction over time, and I don't want all of my money in any one fund.
If you want safe, lean towards the "conservative" funds which will have more cash equivalents. You will probably also have some "fixed income" options which provide a small return at very little risk. With risk comes greater opportunity for success or failure.
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Post by utmr on Aug 13, 2015 16:35:38 GMT
Look to see if your 401K offers age options. Basically investment funds geared for length of time to retirement. So if it's 40 years away (someone in their 20s) it is a riskier mix. For someone under 5 years (55-60 ish) it is more conservative.
An easy way to try to balance your risk.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 16:37:08 GMT
Who is the recordkeeper? (Such as Fidelity, Morgan Stanley, American Funds, etc)? They should have financial advisors that can help explain the funds to you. But most of the time your employer won't do anything but provide the information (prospectus, historical returns, etc). You might seriously consider an outside financial planner -- a fee based one not one that makes money every time you trade or who makes a % of your earnings.
Generally, as you age, you move out of equities/stock and into more fixed income (bond and money market or very stable equities). But honestly if the market crashes there are a lot of things going down with it and I am not sure even fixed income will provide protection.
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Aug 13, 2015 16:38:04 GMT
Ask your HR person if they have a financial person that they advise with. They can probably steer you into the right direction. I'm 45, and I'm about 40% aggressive growth, 40% growth and 20% growth and income. If you've got 10 years+ retirement, you don't want to go too conservative. If the market were to go down, you'd have plenty of time to recover (and get a good bargain on funds in the process).
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Post by carolynhasacat on Aug 13, 2015 16:39:03 GMT
Most asset providers have websites that will give you the level of risk information associated with each of your funds. Many also have questionnaires to help you assess your level of acceptable risk and then use that information to guide to you funds that fit your risk profile. You should start there. I would be very surprised if your 401(k) asset provider did not have a website with at least some minimal tools.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Aug 13, 2015 16:42:26 GMT
My advice for 401k investing is always keep the fees low and keep it simple.
Here's what I do. I wait for a crash and then I get into stocks. Until then, I hang out in mostly fixed income, even if the market is on an upswing. The stock market loses 50% of its value on average every 10 years. It has a 10-20% correction every 3 years. It has at least a 5% correction each year. There are always opportunities for me to get back in. .
I started investing heavily in March 2009 when the S&P hit 666. It's now at 2100. I recently got out at 2108 at have 100% in fixed income. I do that from time to time whenever Europe flares up again, or this time the China slowdown and currency manipulation scares me, along with an upcoming rate hike by the Fed (which isn't necessarily bad but they are also done with quantative easing, which inflated stocks).
But I'm the type of person to listen to CNBC 2-4 hours a day and read all the financial headlines. Part of that is for my job. Most people ain't got time for that.
When you want to invest in stocks, choose a fund that mirrors the S&P 500 and that has very low fees (like close to zero). That will get you all the diversity you need. Other funds will outperform the S&P in certain years but underperform in others. For example the mid and small cap stocks were on a tear last year but are getting beat down in the last few months. Just stick with the S&P. Your 401k advisor should be able to help you identify that fund.
Do you have target date funds? For example, a fund that selects a weighting of stocks vs. bonds based on your retirement date? That would be worth looking into if you just want to "set it and forget it. " but again, make sure the fees are low.
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Post by Dictionary on Aug 13, 2015 16:45:23 GMT
Well diversity is your key and honestly you really need to learn a little about the market..you can watch the markets and listen to reports for both here and internationally..it helps to understand investing..there is also a book investing for dummies that wouldn't be a bad thing to read. Until then a financial advisor certainly can help you, it's you just have to pay for them and their advice is not always a green light but for the most part are in synch with what you are trying to achieve. They can also help you understand and answer any question you may have.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 13, 2015 17:01:17 GMT
@yubon peatlejuice Does that info hold true for a 403 (b) also?? Mine is through American Funds
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 17:03:38 GMT
Thanks guys..this helps. My plan is through Verisight. I did make an appt with a financial advisor for Monday to get some help. I hate that they make this so confusing!
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Aug 13, 2015 17:32:03 GMT
@yubon peatlejuice Does that info hold true for a 403 (b) also?? Mine is through American Funds i don't see why not
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Post by ntsf on Aug 13, 2015 17:41:04 GMT
I wouldn't do what yubon does. I bought american funds 30 yrs ago and just reinvest the dividends...it has been conservative but fine. my dad got fidelity funds 60 yrs ago...never touched them and they went from 2000 to over a couple of hundred thousand. unless you want to active manage this stuff...get an outside advisor, charles schwab or independent person. invest some in mutuals and just leave it...will compound over time. some growth funds,, some bonds. spread it in different types of funds.
we have done the best on individual stocks...but we buy what we know very well.
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Post by ExpatBackHome on Aug 13, 2015 18:34:21 GMT
Do they offer a target retirement fund? If so, you choose the approximate year of your retirement and that fund will get more conservative over time.
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Post by janeinbama on Aug 13, 2015 18:42:11 GMT
I second the professional and target retirement funds. We went with a Private Financial Investor earlier this year and feel much more confident about the future after seeing all our assets projected. He suggested target retirement funds for our active deferred compensation accounts which we will roll over to him when we retire in 2 & 7 years.
Find someone you trust and follow up. We have listened to multiple people through the years, but feel better having a PLAN
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Aug 13, 2015 18:58:27 GMT
@yubon peatlejuice Does that info hold true for a 403 (b) also?? Mine is through American Funds i don't see why not Yes, they do. I've seen them with a few clients that have American Funds.
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Aug 13, 2015 19:03:02 GMT
Thanks guys..this helps. My plan is through Verisight. I did make an appt with a financial advisor for Monday to get some help. I hate that they make this so confusing! I did not know who Verisight was, so I looked them up. They appear to be a Third Party Administrator, which is like they firm I work for. They typically don't handle the investment side, that's done through another vehicle (like Fidelity or American Funds or John Hancock.) That's why they probably told you they couldn't give you any advice. Your employer probably does have an advisor they work with to handle the investment part, but it looks like you found one, so that should be fine!
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Post by christine58 on Aug 13, 2015 19:13:42 GMT
@yubon peatlejuice Does that info hold true for a 403 (b) also?? Mine is through American Funds i don't see why not Thanks...I need to sit down with my agent and go through this again as I hope to retire in two years---although this $$$ won't get touched for awhile
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