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Post by grate on Aug 15, 2015 1:10:28 GMT
We arrived back in the states and went to the sports meeting prior to try outs. It started 45 minutes late and then we sat and listened to the AD go on about drinking and drugs, then listened to the school police officer (new position) talk about knowing where all the kids hang and will find them, heard about bullying, hazing and winning.
Heard about the school policy that states if you are AT a party and someone else is drinking, you must leave or face suspension, if you are in the background of a picture where someone is drinking (date does not matter) you face suspension. Policy goes year round.
Then I listened to dd2's possible coach go on and on about winning, when we can and can not talk to her and what are topics we can talk to her about... 3 slides worth.
I left there thinking what the heck am I getting my kids into and should I be looking to finding a way to send them to a different school.
Is this normal?? I played sports all through MS and HS and never got this feeling before. I know the take on things is different in Germany but I left feeling a bit sick to my stomach and wondering if my kids are in a safe environment.
ETA--- I taught in schools that had police, in the Bronx and Baltimore and it was more to keep people out. It was very clear that this one was to keep an eye on the kids. Is this normal now???
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Aug 15, 2015 1:30:19 GMT
Wow. That doesn't sound too exciting. Hope it turns out to be a good sports year for them.
It's been a few years since my kids were in sports, but the first meeting was never like that. It was all about dedication, and a new beginning, and doing your best.
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Post by grate on Aug 15, 2015 1:32:47 GMT
That is what I was expecting! They did have students talk about healthy eating but then others talked about what drugs and alcohol do to your body.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 15, 2015 1:42:26 GMT
I have to admit, I have had two kids play (or are playing) high school sports and haven't had that kind of experience. Currently, my youngest is playing tennis and his coach is so amazing that she texts me all the time to give me updates on how things are going (I don't make it to all his matches) and in general is extremely approachable.
There are handouts with expectations, which include drug and alcohol policies, but it hasn't ever been a focus.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 15, 2015 1:42:42 GMT
That hasn't been our experience, although they cover the same topics, and both parents and athletes sign "agreements" about policies. Your description makes me think there was a problem- or lawsuit- in previous years!
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Post by pridemom on Aug 15, 2015 1:47:52 GMT
Our sports meeting was Tuesday. It covered state requirements, residency requirements, to communicate to the coach through your student, grades, Div 1&2 college requirements, concussion info, and to read the Athletics handbook. Then we broke for meetings with the coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 1:53:49 GMT
I have to wonder what the background is...I would try to ask around to see if there were specific problems in the last few years. It sounds like they are reacting to something.
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Post by perumbula on Aug 15, 2015 1:56:16 GMT
I would ask around and see if they have had issues with student athletes and drugs in the last year or two. We had half our basketball team (and four starters) get suspended over marijuana last winter. I imagine there's a lot more talk of kids and drugs and the consequences going on at our High School this year than in years past.
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 15, 2015 2:14:29 GMT
It sounds like they have had problems and want to let parents know the consequences. Perhaps that should have come at the end of an upbeat meeting though.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 15, 2015 2:14:47 GMT
To me it sounds like a normal pre-sport meeting. Under ea school league guidelines they HAVE to cover certain things. Maybe they haven't covered them as well in the past, or maybe there has been a misunderstanding about them? so they were stressing them more? or maybe because you haven't heard them before it just stuck out to you?
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Post by Nicole in TX on Aug 15, 2015 2:25:30 GMT
I would ask around and see if they have had issues with student athletes and drugs in the last year or two. We had half our basketball team (and four starters) get suspended over marijuana last winter. I imagine there's a lot more talk of kids and drugs and the consequences going on at our High School this year than in years past. Sounds like something went down last year and they are letting everyone know it will not be tolerated this year.
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Post by grate on Aug 15, 2015 2:28:07 GMT
I was aware there are guidelines-- I played in the 80s and there were guidelines then, My dad was a very successful high school coach for over 40 years and I know he cut players for various reasons, I have been around organised sports my whole life. My girls also played the four years (MS then one in HS) while in Germany. This was just different. I have to assume there have been issues and ask around a bit.
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Post by peasful1 on Aug 15, 2015 4:13:54 GMT
Not our normal. Of course I mostly avoid parent meetings.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 4:41:05 GMT
Wow! The suspension for being at a party or place where someone was drinking alcohol? I wonder if that would ever fly here. I doubt it, but it wouldn't be the end of the world, either...
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Post by lancermom on Aug 15, 2015 4:47:52 GMT
Sounds like ours. We skip that meeting and just go straight to the tennis meeting afterwards. Last year DH insisted we go to the ore-meeting. It was his first time going, this year he decided we could skip it.
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Post by jemali on Aug 15, 2015 5:22:14 GMT
Sounds like our meeting. We went the first year and didn't go the rest of the years The tennis coach told the girls "wherever you go and you have that school sweatshirt on remember you are representing our school. If you are going to do something and you wonder if it is the right thing to do, is this how I want people to see my school? " (said in a serious way). And then he says "at least turn your shirt inside out first!!" ? and then do it! It was pretty funny!
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 15, 2015 12:16:46 GMT
Sounds pretty normal to me, and my kids went to a very small school. No school police officer - but since it is a small school - there are no secrets....LOL Our school has a zero tolerance policy. If you are caught/photographed at a party, even if you are not drinking, but alcohol or other controlled substances are present - you are benched for 6 weeks. You attend practices and go to the games, but sit on the bench in your street clothes. If the six weeks extends beyond the season, it picks up in the next sport you go out for, or rolls over to the next year if you don't participate in any other sport. It is enforced for everyone and has made a major impact on the drinking. It also has a lot of kids going out for sports they never would have, to get that suspension filled. Every coach talks about when you can contact them. I agree with it. You should cool off a bit before confronting them about something. Never during or right after a game. It's never a good idea...
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 15, 2015 12:36:25 GMT
We arrived back in the states and went to the sports meeting prior to try outs. It started 45 minutes late and then we sat and listened to the AD go on about drinking and drugs, then listened to the school police officer (new position) talk about knowing where all the kids hang and will find them, heard about bullying, hazing and winning. Heard about the school policy that states if you are AT a party and someone else is drinking, you must leave or face suspension, if you are in the background of a picture where someone is drinking (date does not matter) you face suspension. Policy goes year round. Then I listened to dd2's possible coach go on and on about winning, when we can and can not talk to her and what are topics we can talk to her about... 3 slides worth. I left there thinking what the heck am I getting my kids into and should I be looking to finding a way to send them to a different school. Is this normal?? I played sports all through MS and HS and never got this feeling before. I know the take on things is different in Germany but I left feeling a bit sick to my stomach and wondering if my kids are in a safe environment. ETA--- I taught in schools that had police, in the Bronx and Baltimore and it was more to keep people out. It was very clear that this one was to keep an eye on the kids. Is this normal now??? The drinking and drug thing is normal around here. They should NOT be at parties where there is drinking/drugs. Sorry. That's the choice you make as an athlete. I think parents who fight this policy are sending a terrible message to their children. Also, there's NO WAY to know if a kid was or wasn't drinking at a party. Of course they're all going to say "Oh, I was there, but I didn't drink." Please. No way to police that. Better choice? Go do something age appropriate and healthy that doesn't involve drugs or alcohol. Or, don't play a sport and do what you want. Not sure about the "when you can and can't talk to her" thing is about. Maybe parents trying to coach from the sidelines during games? Sounds like they've had some issues with helicopter parents trying to get all up in the coaches' business during games. I don't know that you need to change schools over it. We have a police liaison officer, too, and we're a very safe, high-achieving school.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 12:39:00 GMT
We arrived back in the states and went to the sports meeting prior to try outs. It started 45 minutes late and then we sat and listened to the AD go on about drinking and drugs, then listened to the school police officer (new position) talk about knowing where all the kids hang and will find them, heard about bullying, hazing and winning.
Heard about the school policy that states if you are AT a party and someone else is drinking, you must leave or face suspension, if you are in the background of a picture where someone is drinking (date does not matter) you face suspension. Policy goes year round.Then I listened to dd2's possible coach go on and on about winning, when we can and can not talk to her and what are topics we can talk to her about... 3 slides worth. I left there thinking what the heck am I getting my kids into and should I be looking to finding a way to send them to a different school. Is this normal?? I played sports all through MS and HS and never got this feeling before. I know the take on things is different in Germany but I left feeling a bit sick to my stomach and wondering if my kids are in a safe environment. ETA--- I taught in schools that had police, in the Bronx and Baltimore and it was more to keep people out. It was very clear that this one was to keep an eye on the kids. Is this normal now??? The bolded part is exactly what our school district does. It's a Code of Conduct meeting, and anyone involved in sports or any type of extra curricular activity is required to attend it once during high school. The kids and parents have to sign an acknowledgment that they understand the rules and consequences. The sports meeting I'm pretty sure breaks off after the initial meeting where the kids meet the coaches and then they explain the expectations, etc. And, we have a county sheriff at the school full-time. The school explained they have a zero tolerance for drinking/drugs, and the students are expected to be good role models. I never looked at it like we live in a bad area, the school is bad, etc. It's high school, kids will do dumb things, and the school has strict consequences for those that break the rules. We also got the "if you're at a party and there's drinking/drugs...walk away" and different levels of consequences. IMO it was no big deal. It's high school. There are kids that will do drugs. There are kids that will drink. And there will be consequences if caught.
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Post by grate on Aug 15, 2015 12:51:02 GMT
I do understand and am not fighting the policy, just felt the meeting was VERY negative overall in the way they covered the policy and at the same time stressed the winning, especially the coach who basically won't let us talk to her but expects to win the tournament this year and not come in second -- so they will have M-S practice and sometimes Sunday too.
Everything seemed over the top.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 15, 2015 13:02:09 GMT
I do understand and am not fighting the policy, just felt the meeting was VERY negative overall in the way they covered the policy and at the same time stressed the winning, especially the coach who basically won't let us talk to her but expects to win the tournament this year and not come in second -- so they will have M-S practice and sometimes Sunday too. Everything seemed over the top. He cannot dictate when and what you talk to your daughter about..that's absurd. I bet it has more to do with the stupid ass parents who yell and scream a their kids while they are playing. Many schools have codes of conducts PARENTS have to sign and a lot of it has to do with their own sportsmanship/behavior during games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 13:17:16 GMT
I do understand and am not fighting the policy, just felt the meeting was VERY negative overall in the way they covered the policy and at the same time stressed the winning, especially the coach who basically won't let us talk to her but expects to win the tournament this year and not come in second -- so they will have M-S practice and sometimes Sunday too. Everything seemed over the top. My kids aren't involved in sports, so I don't have first-hand experience. But I'll share 2 stories from people I'm related to/close with. There was a family wedding on my BILs side. It was a Saturday out of town. Nephew is in wrestling (and football, but this was for wrestling) and was going to have to miss a tournament. He goes to the coach and here's an idea of that conversation: N: I'm going to miss Saturday's tournament. C: Why? N: We have a family wedding out of town. C: Oh, are you in the wedding? N: No. C: Then I expect to see you here. Ummmmm, nephew didn't go to the wedding. Second: A friend's son was also in wrestling, which is a winter sport. There are practices and tournaments over Christmas break. The family booked a Hawaiian vacation over Christmas break. The parents went to the coach and wanted an "okay" for the son to miss several days, coach said if he misses, he will be off the team. Family went to Hawaii, and kid got kicked off the team. Our district has a very strict rule that you can't miss more than 3 days, and those absences have to be basically for serious illness/hospitalization or family death. Around here they are very, very strict about sports.
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Post by happymomma on Aug 15, 2015 13:47:25 GMT
Well, I say BRAVO to anyone stressing the consequences of teen alcohol and drug use. Admittedly, it has been 30 years since I was in high school, but it was well-known that the 'jocks' were some of the biggest drinkers in school. Things may have changed now, but here they were the most popular kids in school, usually with the more well-to-do parents who had big houses and went away on weekends leaving the kids to party it up. Damages and mischief were bought off and swept under the carpet and coaches and school officials looked the other way because they needed their star player playing the game.
We talk about 'finding their currency' when dealing with teen problems all the time. Thankfully this IS something that can have some leverage over teens in sports, and it is good that it is made very clear that illegal (yes, it is illegal for teens to drink and drug) behaviors won't be tolerated. At least they have a captive audience with these kids who really want to be involved in sports. Too bad they couldn't find 'currency' to reach all kids. But...some are better than none.
I wouldn't say that it means that there has been a specific problem in this school. Teen alcohol use IS a huge problem. At least they can control behaviors (or dole out consequences) of this one segment of the school population. It won't work on all of them, but probably will on the majority, as long as it is enforced as wholeheartedly as it is promoted.
I have a nephew who was an incredible athlete. He was varsity baseball and football as a freshman. Sadly he got into partying, drinking and drugs, and threw away what was a very promising future in sports. Had his school programs been this proactive and strict perhaps he would have not gotten so far off path. They looked the other way so many times because he was the star player and eventually he got so far lost into partying life that he ended up losing it all. What a shame and waste of talent.
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Post by grate on Aug 15, 2015 13:48:29 GMT
All of that I get... been there done that myself. Never learned to ski because I always had basketball and policy was no skiing for fear of getting hurt during the season-- no problem with that. Just spent four years of International sports where my kids travelled to different countries to compete on Fridays and Saturdays so we as a family could not travel or do things on the weekends--- my one daughter played 3 sports so this was for the entire school year. I am fine with making some sacrifices. However, as a public school sport and not a club sport, I think SUNDAYS should be off limits.
It was the overall tone. I have found out that one parent went over the top last year about her daughter being benched for an older, less talented player and that may be the cause of the 3 slide presentation on how and how not to talk to the coach followed by what you may speak to your daughter about.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 15, 2015 14:27:07 GMT
It sounds like even though others have shared their stories and examples this still feels over the top for you. If you are uncomfortable with the devilery of the message that is probably setting a tone for the program, you might indeed want to look at alternatives.
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 15, 2015 14:48:39 GMT
The "She" was not the daughter, but the coach. It is reasonable to say when you can and can not approach the coach about things. Parents can go bat shit crazy when snowflake doesn't get what she/he "deserves" for playing time, etc..... Getting up in the coaches face during or right after a game is never a good idea - but I see it ALL THE TIME. Setting some guidelines about that is reasonable.
As far as getting kicked off a team for missing a practice because of vacation or weddings, I have never seen that happen here, and it sounds way out of line. Will you start or even play for a while - probably not. It's only fair for the kids to do go to practice and make the sacrifice. It seems nuts - but that is how it goes. I am speaking from the experience of having a couple elite varsity athletes. They practiced year round. They never missed weights -EVER. All appointments and vacations were scheduled around their sports schedules. It was only 4 years of our lives, it wasn't the end of the world.
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Post by quiltz on Aug 15, 2015 15:44:56 GMT
I do understand and am not fighting the policy, just felt the meeting was VERY negative overall in the way they covered the policy and at the same time stressed the winning, especially the coach who basically won't let us talk to her but expects to win the tournament this year and not come in second -- so they will have M-S practice and sometimes Sunday too. Everything seemed over the top. Welcome back to the states. Life in Germany is quite different than in the USA. Sunday is (generally) thought of as 'just another day' and not a 'family day' as it is usually thought of in Germany. This is part of the cultural adjustment that you are currently going through. Definitely find someone who can help you through some of the ropes and give you an insight into the cultural norms where you are now living.
I live in Canada, and have been able to see the differences between my friends who are raising children in Germany, the USA and Canada.
Good luck in re-integrating into the American culture.
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Post by julieb on Aug 15, 2015 15:54:57 GMT
Yes. Sounds like the hs my kids attended.
The not-so-funny thing was that the AD's son went to the hs and when the kids went to prom the ds was in charge of getting his group's alcohol. It was a joke. That was my oldest child and for the next 7 years every time I went to a meeting I wanted to stand up and tell they guy that his speech should start at home.
Edited to add: Both of my boys stopped playing soccer after their junior years because the coaches were too intense and downright mean. We've always told our kids that playing should be fun and it wasn't fun for them anymore. DD didn't try out for cheer after sophomore year because she couldn't get some flip down and the coach insisted that they have a certain back flip (can't remember exactly name of it). It wasn't cheerleading anymore - it was gymnastics and all about competitions, not cheering at the games.
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 15, 2015 16:41:00 GMT
We had alcohol and drug testing for all competitors at the beginning of the season and random testing throughout the year for my kids of all competitive events, so yeah, that Academic Team member is treated the same as the Football jock.
I think the photo thing is ridiculous. We have alcohol in our house. We, as a family, attend functions with alcohol and always have a Designated Driver. Our kids have been raised with a healthy attitude towards alcohol but it is in their presence and there may be pictures of people drinking at a BBQ/Christmas/New Year's party or two with drinking and the kids in the picture. They weren't drinking they were just at the party. I get it that some kids are partiers and use alcohol and drugs but the no pictures rule seems extreme without context.
I would look into why they do the presentation like they do. We've had those meetings and though they went over the drug/alcohol policies and that that would result in being kicked off the team and could have ramifications that follow the student (guess some try to move schools etc.) as it is reported to our State's Athletic Association.
I have to admit I'm not a special snowflake parent but I'm a bit gobby at a game. Not abusive but more along the lines. "What are you looking at ref!" "oh come on" etc. And I was threatened to be kicked out by the ref. The School official onsite was cool about it, thankfully. But I'm really annoyed because I have heard much worse at many other games and no sanctions. I really think it was because I'm a woman and knew the rules.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 15, 2015 16:58:51 GMT
We cover hazing, impact testing and concussion, eligibility requirements, sportsmanship, and alcohol and drug policies. It is not done in a negative manner , but rather here are the rules, follow them.
The last baseball coach tried to tell our kids not to listen to their parents and only listen to them. They were a joke and I am pretty sure we got them fires. They were horrible and didn't do anything or teach the kids anything and then blamed the athletes. Unfortunately it was a kids parent and a younger coach. I have never been so glad to see a season end.
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