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Post by hennybutton on Jul 17, 2014 15:25:39 GMT
I'm out of work after 21 years with the same company. The job search process has really changed since the last time I looked for work. I'm just dying about all the vague job listings out there. That doesn't even count the job listings that are just filled with double-speak and code words. So many of them leave me scratching my head. Plus, I'm getting "job opportunities" in my inbox that don't even tell you the name of the company. It's hard enough that I'm supposed to customize my resume to the job I'm applying for, but now I have to figure out what the heck the posting is even saying?
Is anyone interested in a weekly job hunting thread? I can't be the only Pea out of work.
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Post by Fairlyoddparent on Jul 17, 2014 15:34:34 GMT
I know what you mean. I also don't like it if there isn't a salary range listed. I only want jobs within a certain range and don't want to waste my time or theirs applying for a job if it can't pay me what I am needing.
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Post by grinningcat on Jul 17, 2014 15:38:18 GMT
I don't apply for jobs for companies who can't be bothered to put the company name. If they aren't interested in being forthcoming in the application process, I wonder what else they are going to hide from the applicant/employee.
They may not be sketchy companies, but this practice certainly makes them look sketchy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 15:40:02 GMT
I know what you mean. I also don't like it if there isn't a salary range listed. I only want jobs within a certain range and don't want to waste my time or theirs applying for a job if it can't pay me what I am needing. Amen! I'm a freelancer, always looking for work. At least give a RANGE, for gosh sakes! I live in an expensive place. My pay rate has to be a certain amount or it's not worth working; I'll find other ways to generate income of save money. Like you said, it's a waste of their time, too. Filling out apps, writing specific cover letters, personalizing a resume, and keeping up your LinkedIn profile is very time-consuming. I wish they were sympathetic to that. Also, at some point, could they put "this job has been filled" so I'm not spinning my wheels applying and/or waiting forever, wondering if I got it? /job searcher rant
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 17, 2014 15:47:39 GMT
Oh I feel your pain. I still have a job, but it is most likely to be phased out by October. So first I started applying here and there, mostly from craigslist. I found out a few things (and this is my first time in 20 years looking for a job)
1. I am not applying on any ads that are from recruiters places. Those just seem sketchy to me.
2. I need a salary range as well. I am finding out that a lot of jobs that are similar to what I do (Admin Assistant) want to pay crap. $12 bucks an hour?? Give me a break.
3. Some of the ads are CRAZY.. I have posted a few here and on 2peas.. one was you need to know how to open a cash register??? Or something like that. REALLY? and for an Admin position?? another one was 'you are NOT allowed to use the internet, be late, no personal calls, you can't use your cell phone, and on and on..." Yeah that sounds like a GREAT job.
4. Vague postings like not giving at least a name to work with.. don't like those either, although if the pay is on track and the area AND the ad doesn't look to bad, I might apply.
And yes the spam emails from recruiters... Love those! It threw me at first thinking someone was really responding to my resume. blah.
Here is something else I just started yesterday. A spreadsheet of everywhere I have put in my resume. I was beginning to find out that I don't know who I applied for. Which makes it hard if you don't ever receive any feedback. Out of about 10 jobs I have applied for 1/2 sent a message they got the resume, one phone interview and the rest nothing.
I was telling my parents about how different it is now than before. He was saying.. just call them, tell them your interested... He doesn't know you just don't do that anymore as you don't even know where your resume is going.
Someone gave me another site to find jobs and I find it there are more credible jobs on it... called indeed.com I haven't heard anything back from anyone yet, but that site seems pretty good!
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Post by mallie on Jul 17, 2014 16:45:19 GMT
It is a whole different world, for sure. The lack of salary ranges is just stupid, because it wastes everyone's time.
A couple of years ago my dh was recruited for a position and they just would not give him salary info. He decided to play along just to see how far it would go. They flew him out , put him up in a nice hotel, paid for his meals and still would not give him a range. It was only when they called to offer it to him and they wanted h to start by telling his salary requirements. He refused and insisted they give him their range which they finally did. Lol it was nowhere close to an acceptable offer. Nowhere. They pled poverty Andy dh pointed out that they would easily be 1500 ahead if they had answered his. ? Re salary before flying him out.
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Post by mallie on Jul 17, 2014 16:46:32 GMT
It is a whole different world, for sure. The lack of salary ranges is just stupid, because it wastes everyone's time. A couple of years ago my dh was recruited for a position and they just would not give him salary info. He decided to play along just to see how far it would go. They flew him out , put him up in a nice hotel, paid for his meals and still would not give him a range. It was only when they called to offer it to him and they wanted h to start by telling his salary requirements. He refused and insisted they give him their range which they finally did. Lol it was nowhere close to an acceptable offer. Nowhere. They pled poverty. So dh pointed out that they would easily be 1500 ahead if they had answered his ? Re salary before flying him out.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 17, 2014 16:46:57 GMT
mallie... that is crazy!! I guess he got a free trip out of it.. hope it was somewhere at least fun! lol
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Post by sisterbdsq on Jul 17, 2014 17:39:05 GMT
On the other side of things...
No company name. Yes. Because assbags will Google your address and come in and waste my time. GTFO of my office. It's not like "the old days". I don't want people coming in interrupting us. Don't call me, I'll call you. We did state the town we are located in and what the business does.
No salary range is stupid. However, we did have a range in our ad and it didn't help us in one situation! It specified that it is an entry level Admin Assistant position with pay being $11-$13 per hour, including employer paid medical and room for advancement. We went through the entire process with this chick; resume review, lengthy phone interview, 45 min in-person interview. Applicant was then ADAMANT that she wanted $14. Was told no, we will offer you $13. She would not stop emailing us either (and got hostile) after she was told (politely) to take a hike. The sad part is she was coming from a $12 an hour job with no benefits (no insurance, no PTO/vacations...nothing). Thanks for wasting so much of our time, ya jerkass.
Notifying you that we received your resume. Yeah, right. Within the first 30 minutes of the ad posting we had over 50 resumes. Ain't nobody got time for dat!!
Indeed.com IS a great site. However, it pulls from EVERY job listing out there. So while you think you're not getting Craigslist ads, think again. I got MY job from Indeed. It was from a Craigslist ad, but Indeed had it listed from another source. We never did figure that one out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 18:10:09 GMT
On the HR recruiting side, your best bet is to talk to those you know in your industry. Blind resumes generally won't get you the job these days. Have a good resume and pass it out to friends, etc. I have hired off of Craigslist resumes though.
We hire on the lower end of the spectrum (no experience necessary) although we do require you be at lest 18. We do have some walk-ins which is good becuase it is a locally owned business and often the manager will interview you right then. We posted on our business Facebook page and got two employees within a day or two.
We used to use Craigslist and they advice you to do the anonymous email through them. Otherwise, you can truly get inundated with lots of resumes and spam really quickly. You'd be surprised know the job position and the location how many resumes I get from people who are looking for a totally different job than the one posted OR any job we even have!
When I have put a pay range, applicants still waste our time by interviewing, getting a job offer and then hoping/wanting/trying to negotiate for a higher salary. There's nothing that will get a job offer pulled more quickly in our company than that!
So there are two sides to it.....
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 17, 2014 19:05:35 GMT
Then it is the assbags that ruin it for everyone else. Yes I will Google a name, to learn about the company, but not to bother them. And for sure, not to go to the office to bug someone about the job. I don't apply for jobs that are well below my pay range. It is just hard to keep putting in those apps and hear nothing all the time. Problem is with my industry it is very limited, to two or three main firms in town. The other gals that do the same thing are in the same boat or not leaving their jobs. I put my name out there to everyone I know in hopes that will help.. so far nada.. Just keep swimming I guess.
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Post by sisterbdsq on Jul 17, 2014 19:55:43 GMT
Then it is the assbags that ruin it for everyone else. They always do.
While I would hope that people would only research our name/history and ask questions or drop nuggets of info about us in an interview, many people think, "Hey! Getting my FACE in there is going to help me win them over!" No. You just faced yourself out of consideration, dummy. If I were hiring servers and bartenders, like SO currently is, walk-ins are fine provided you don't come during rush (and experienced servers and bartenders will know that), but in an office environment, walk-ins are a huge time suck that I cannot afford.
I wish you all the luck in the world in your search, it seems you keep plugging and I'm sure something great will come of it!!!!! You've always been a pea I like.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 17, 2014 20:43:06 GMT
awwww. thanks sisterbdsq!!! and yes.. I totally agree, waitress/bartenders, etc.. walk on in ... that is good.. no rush hour, duh! It all boils down to freaking common sense.. LOL
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Post by heckofagal on Jul 18, 2014 0:42:27 GMT
I'm losing my job too, this will be my 3rd layoff. My work thru date right now is Dec 5, but I would be surprised if that date is not pulled in sooner as people leave the dept. It's a struggle. I've sent out over 20 resumes so far and all I've heard is one 'no' and another company came back to tell me the job started at $13.75 asking if I was still interested. (this was a job asking for a college grad)
I'm not feeling very optimistic about this whole situation.
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Post by cropaholicnora on Jul 18, 2014 0:58:00 GMT
I don't know where any of you live, but if you're in Colorado check into your county workforce center. You can register with them and gain access to a board of job listings including some that don't get posted in other places. They also have resume classes/reviewing services, interviewing classes (I finally got a job after taking one of them!), and all kinds of beneficial services. I found them to be incredibly helpful with my job search. Best of luck to everyone looking for work. I hope your next job is the best one ever.
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Post by Erica on Jul 18, 2014 1:13:49 GMT
I get calls from Marketing firms and Insurance sales people.
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Post by oktrae on Jul 18, 2014 1:31:27 GMT
We're trying desperately to fill hundreds of jobs. We don't post a range because there are so many jobs of all levels that it would be stupid. The resumes I call people on are those that showcase skills versus metrics. I don't care what the dollars involved are, I care that you're analytical.
Sadly we also have people just show up at our offices, thankfully security will send them packing.
Today my noon interview showed up at 11:15. Security called me. I asked them to relay that I would be down by noon or earlier if my scheduled call ended. Person griped at me for making her wait. I arrived downstairs 10 minutes early. I'll let you guess where I filed that resume.
I've heard we are about to start offering relocation packages to be able to broaden our candidate search for lower to entry level jobs.
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Post by hennybutton on Jul 18, 2014 1:48:50 GMT
I don't know where any of you live, but if you're in Colorado check into your county workforce center. You can register with them and gain access to a board of job listings including some that don't get posted in other places. They also have resume classes/reviewing services, interviewing classes (I finally got a job after taking one of them!), and all kinds of beneficial services. I found them to be incredibly helpful with my job search. Best of luck to everyone looking for work. I hope your next job is the best one ever. I've taken some of the workshops through ours. I'm in California. I've actually had several leads based on my previous job. But, I want out of manufacturing and I don't want to be a one-woman office anymore. I really want to work as an administrative assistant at one of the universities nearby. We have a UC, a Cal State, and a Concordia Lutheran university really close to us. I just wish I knew how to get my resume to stand out. I did have an interview today with a start-up manufacturing company that could either be a great opportunity or leave me looking for work again in the next year. I got a call out of the blue because one of my old company's vendors told him about me. Thing is that I'd be a one-woman office again and it's in manufacturing. I'm just so torn. We're not in dire straits, so I can think about it. Very small manufacturing companies want my experience and skill set, but I really want something new. Has anyone read the latest edition of "What Color is Your Parachute?" I'm reading it now and finding it really helpful. One of the things that really popped out at me is how few job hunters get called based on web postings/applications. If that's true, how the heck am I supposed to get the kind of job I want? I don't know anyone in higher education. I suppose I could talk to my pastor about Concordia because it's part of our synod and we do a lot with them. But, what about the UC or Cal State? I'm an alumni of the Cal State, could the alumni association help me get in?
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Post by hennybutton on Jul 18, 2014 1:49:46 GMT
I get calls from Marketing firms and Insurance sales people. I get a ridiculous number of e-mails from those places, and financial services.
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Post by hennybutton on Jul 18, 2014 1:53:31 GMT
We're trying desperately to fill hundreds of jobs. We don't post a range because there are so many jobs of all levels that it would be stupid. The resumes I call people on are those that showcase skills versus metrics. I don't care what the dollars involved are, I care that you're analytical. Sadly we also have people just show up at our offices, thankfully security will send them packing. Today my noon interview showed up at 11:15. Security called me. I asked them to relay that I would be down by noon or earlier if my scheduled call ended. Person griped at me for making her wait. I arrived downstairs 10 minutes early. I'll let you guess where I filed that resume. I've heard we are about to start offering relocation packages to be able to broaden our candidate search for lower to entry level jobs. That's interesting that you call on resumes that showcase skills vs. metrics. All the advice I'm seeing says to highlight metrics. I'm told that employers are looking for numbers. Somehow, I don't think saving the company $15/month on copy paper is that impressive.
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Post by mama2three on Jul 18, 2014 1:58:43 GMT
We don't post a range because there are so many jobs of all levels that it would be stupid. The resumes I call people on are those that showcase skills versus metrics. I don't care what the dollars involved are, I care that you're analytical. This.
For us it allows more flexibility. We are looking for highly technical people at all levels from entry level to senior positions. At any given time we have multiple job listings posted, and while we have in mind the type of person/skill set we'd like to find to fill a specific need, we also don't want to dissuade people from applying because they feel the salary range for the advertised position is not what they are looking for. Yes, the person applying may be overqualified for the job posted and wouldn't settle for an entry level salary, but if that person is a good fit overall for the company at a different level or position, we would consider providing an offer for that different level/position (w / appropriate salary) and finding a place for her in the company.
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Post by mama2three on Jul 18, 2014 2:03:57 GMT
We're trying desperately to fill hundreds of jobs. We don't post a range because there are so many jobs of all levels that it would be stupid. The resumes I call people on are those that showcase skills versus metrics. I don't care what the dollars involved are, I care that you're analytical. Sadly we also have people just show up at our offices, thankfully security will send them packing. Today my noon interview showed up at 11:15. Security called me. I asked them to relay that I would be down by noon or earlier if my scheduled call ended. Person griped at me for making her wait. I arrived downstairs 10 minutes early. I'll let you guess where I filed that resume. I've heard we are about to start offering relocation packages to be able to broaden our candidate search for lower to entry level jobs. That's interesting that you call on resumes that showcase skills vs. metrics. All the advice I'm seeing says to highlight metrics. I'm told that employers are looking for numbers. Somehow, I don't think saving the company $15/month on copy paper is that impressive. I think the different perspective depends on the type of business and positions involved. We're looking for highly technical employees in science and engineering. We go through hundreds of resumes for each posting and maybe talk to 5 that passed initial screening. I want to know about their education, skills, project experience. I want to hear how they have successfully solved problems, do they have excellent communication skills, including writing skills (Having excellent technical skills will get your foot in the door, but if you can't communicate regarding your specialty we can't use you).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 2:21:29 GMT
That's interesting that you call on resumes that showcase skills vs. metrics. All the advice I'm seeing says to highlight metrics. I'm told that employers are looking for numbers. Somehow, I don't think saving the company $15/month on copy paper is that impressive. I want to know about their education, skills, project experience. I want to hear how they have successfully solved problems, do they have excellent communication skills, including writing skills (Having excellent technical skills will get your foot in the door, but if you can't communicate regarding your specialty we can't use you). I agree. It's so rare that anyone can write anymore, and communication skills are critical in our field. Please don't send a resume with any typos and say you are "highly detailed oriented." Make your sentences work together. Sometimes that's aiming too high, though, and I'm just hoping for the use of a period. Follow application instructions to the letter. That's our first weeding level; applicant doesn't follow instructions = not considered at all. (BTW, text in an email does not a cover letter make.) If the applicant makes it past the initial cut, we next perform some basic online checks. You would be floored about how many people's LinkedIn profiles blatantly contradict their resumes. So, as a candidate my advice is to goggle yourself (and bing and a few more search engines) and make sure your your online reputation is completely consistent with your resume and all something you want your next employer to see (think about social websites and what is/is not public).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 2:22:32 GMT
We don't post a range because there are so many jobs of all levels that it would be stupid. The resumes I call people on are those that showcase skills versus metrics. I don't care what the dollars involved are, I care that you're analytical. This.
For us it allows more flexibility. We are looking for highly technical people at all levels from entry level to senior positions. At any given time we have multiple job listings posted, and while we have in mind the type of person/skill set we'd like to find to fill a specific need, we also don't want to dissuade people from applying because they feel the salary range for the advertised position is not what they are looking for. Yes, the person applying may be overqualified for the job posted and wouldn't settle for an entry level salary, but if that person is a good fit overall for the company at a different level or position, we would consider providing an offer for that different level/position (w / appropriate salary) and finding a place for her in the company.
Yes, I agree, also.
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Post by oktrae on Jul 18, 2014 2:23:15 GMT
We're trying desperately to fill hundreds of jobs. We don't post a range because there are so many jobs of all levels that it would be stupid. The resumes I call people on are those that showcase skills versus metrics. I don't care what the dollars involved are, I care that you're analytical. Sadly we also have people just show up at our offices, thankfully security will send them packing. Today my noon interview showed up at 11:15. Security called me. I asked them to relay that I would be down by noon or earlier if my scheduled call ended. Person griped at me for making her wait. I arrived downstairs 10 minutes early. I'll let you guess where I filed that resume. I've heard we are about to start offering relocation packages to be able to broaden our candidate search for lower to entry level jobs. That's interesting that you call on resumes that showcase skills vs. metrics. All the advice I'm seeing says to highlight metrics. I'm told that employers are looking for numbers. Somehow, I don't think saving the company $15/month on copy paper is that impressive. I'm personally looking for someone who can analyze/audit and find a problem. It does not matter to me how much you saved but how you did it. Someone who saved $15 a month may have had to do kore of what I need than somebody who saved a million. It is all relative. I may be odd, but after blitz hiring 95 people in 30 days two years ago, I've figured out what works pretty well and what failed me miserably. I typically have a resume and a 30 minute interview to decide if I want to spend a year training a person. I ask odd questions but it's usually because in the past they've worked to identify the type of person I need. If I think someone is good but would be better in another group I pass them along in an email to that manager. We advertise for business majors, but my best auditors have had non business degrees. I take hiring very seriously because it's not just me who suffers a bad decision, it is my team too. During new board gate here I saw people exhibiting the kinds of skills I need for my group. It was hard not to try to recruit them.
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Post by mama2three on Jul 18, 2014 2:44:17 GMT
I agree with this wholeheartedly. We are very careful about who we hire for this same reason.
Right now we are incredibly short-staffed and overwhelmed with work. Many of us are working very long hours, but as much as we would love not to be doing that, we don't want to hire the wrong person who will not only waste our time in training, but also make our work life a misery. Once someone has been hired, it can be very difficult to get them to leave if it is not working out. (although, on the flip side, I've seen it happen where someone misrepresented his education or other credentials on his resume and when that was found out - e.g., when the college finally called HR back to confirm - he was gone that same day.)
Our interview process is extensive. It typically starts with online submittal of resume and application, then a phone screening with the HR rep followed by a phone interview with a senior team member. References are contacted. Then, if all checks out, the resume is circulated throughout the department and a team is put together to conduct an in-person interview. During that interview, the candidate will meet with 4-6 people from all levels for 30-60 min each. He will be taken to lunch by a group of employees (for entry level candidates these will typically include people 6 mo to 3 yrs out of school). By the end of the day (and it usually is a full day), we have a good sense of whether that person is what we're looking for. But, if people are still on the fence about where he'll fit in (or whether he would better fit in a different office), we will have him back for another interview, sometimes involving senior managers from other offices who also are interested. Ours is a global practice, and we may interview someone in my office who is ultimately hired for a position across the country on the basis of our recommendation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 3:04:49 GMT
I don't know where any of you live, but if you're in Colorado check into your county workforce center. You can register with them and gain access to a board of job listings including some that don't get posted in other places. They also have resume classes/reviewing services, interviewing classes (I finally got a job after taking one of them!), and all kinds of beneficial I really want to work as an administrative assistant at one of the universities nearby. We have a UC, a Cal State, and a Concordia Lutheran university really close to us. I just wish I knew how to get my resume to stand out.< edit > If that's true, how the heck am I supposed to get the kind of job I want? I don't know anyone in higher education. I suppose I could talk to my pastor about Concordia because it's part of our synod and we do a lot with them. But, what about the UC or Cal State? I'm an alumni of the Cal State, could the alumni association help me get in? To get noticed at a lot of universities as an admin assistant is to have a skill set that is HIGH in soft people skills. How well can you navigate angry/hostile parents, upset students, frazzled faculty, pushy vendors, stress from the president's office to get things done NOW, diverse cultures... anything you can to highlight your experience and skills there. Office skills are teachable to a large degree. People skills are not so teachable. Also awareness of privacy issues. Read up on FERPA as it is applied to higher education. Volunteer in a high school office if you can for an applicable experience or even an elementary school office. An alumni association as a non personal entity isn't all that helpful. If you are friendly with a specific person that person might be helpful. Noting your educational experience there would be just as helpful. Your pastor may or may not be helpful depending on his personal connections. It won't hurt to let him know you want to work there and see if he knows someone. When putting in your resume have several people read it for grammar, spelling, punctuation. In academia all of that gets noticed in a huge way and will be dinged.
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Post by AN on Jul 18, 2014 3:14:32 GMT
I typically have a resume and a 30 minute interview to decide if I want to spend a year training a person. I ask odd questions but it's usually because in the past they've worked to identify the type of person I need. If I think someone is good but would be better in another group I pass them along in an email to that manager. We advertise for business majors, but my best auditors have had non business degrees. I take hiring very seriously because it's not just me who suffers a bad decision, it is my team too. I'm in a hiring blitz right now (only 10 positions, but that is a relatively large number for our team of about 55) - I cannot IMAGINE hiring 95. Can you give me any tips?? I want to slow down and take our time but the company is pressing for a tight timeline, so I'm trying to strike a balance. What are some of the odd questions you ask? Thanks in advance!!
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 18, 2014 3:34:37 GMT
I don't know where any of you live, but if you're in Colorado check into your county workforce center. You can register with them and gain access to a board of job listings including some that don't get posted in other places. They also have resume classes/reviewing services, interviewing classes (I finally got a job after taking one of them!), and all kinds of beneficial services. I found them to be incredibly helpful with my job search. Best of luck to everyone looking for work. I hope your next job is the best one ever. The workforce centers are federally funded programs that are available in all states, and in every county. They are incredibly helpful with some aspects of job hunting, from job listings to resume writing classes to mock interview sessions if you want to brush up on your interviewing skills. There is usually at state wide website that you can do your job search on line if you want. You can call your local workforce center, or you can probably find it listed under your state's Dept. of Labor website somewhere-most likely in conjunction with the unemployment information.
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Post by mama2three on Jul 18, 2014 3:41:30 GMT
This is very true. We have turned away several excellent candidates that everyone loved all because they can't write. It's one thing to be able to spout off data; quite another to be able to clearly explain what it means, particularly for a non technical client.
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