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Post by gar on Aug 25, 2015 18:37:56 GMT
I don't know anything about being bi-polar but I don't believe Elannah is the only Pea who suffers from this condition. I'm happy to be corrected but that leads me to think that being bp doesn't automatically explain the type of threads she posts that upset people fairly regularly.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Aug 25, 2015 18:56:43 GMT
Her mental illness claims are bullshit. She uses it as an excuse every time one of her threads goes south.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 18:58:01 GMT
I don't know anything about being bi-polar but I don't believe Elannah is the only Pea who suffers from this condition. I'm happy to be corrected but that leads me to think that being bp doesn't automatically explain the type of threads she posts that upset people fairly regularly. Bipolar doesn't look the same on two different people. Mania for one person could very well be talkativeness, obsession, and increased excitement/involvement. For another person, a manic phase might mean gambling or excessive shopping.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 25, 2015 18:59:31 GMT
I don't understand the rudeness and vitriol in this thread. If you don't like Elannah's posting style, don't read her posts. There is no need to insult her and be so rude. There's no harm in wanting to learn more about a topic, and putting her down for it is just mean. If anyone was legitimately concerned about the quality of information she may find you could recommend good resources instead of mocking her. I think questioning things and wanting to know more is a good thing. Suggesting only a certain subset of the population is permitted to do so, is arrogant and restrictive. There are lots of free, accurate ways to research topics like the ethics of medical consent. You can search free research journals (is Plos One still openly published?) and Google Scholar is a great way to find research articles on any given topic. You might have a better understanding if you Ashley had ever been the victim of her nastiness like I was on the old board. I will NEVER forgive her for the nasty comments she made to me about my mother who had been just diagnosed with colon cancer. Never....
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Post by gar on Aug 25, 2015 19:00:30 GMT
I don't know anything about being bi-polar but I don't believe Elannah is the only Pea who suffers from this condition. I'm happy to be corrected but that leads me to think that being bp doesn't automatically explain the type of threads she posts that upset people fairly regularly. Bipolar doesn't look the same on two different people. Mania for one person could very well be talkativeness, obsession, and increased excitement/involvement. For another person, a manic phase might mean gambling or excessive shopping. Ok, I understand. Thank you for the explanation
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 19:05:37 GMT
I don't understand the rudeness and vitriol in this thread. If you don't like Elannah's posting style, don't read her posts. There is no need to insult her and be so rude. There's no harm in wanting to learn more about a topic, and putting her down for it is just mean. If anyone was legitimately concerned about the quality of information she may find you could recommend good resources instead of mocking her. I think questioning things and wanting to know more is a good thing. Suggesting only a certain subset of the population is permitted to do so, is arrogant and restrictive. There are lots of free, accurate ways to research topics like the ethics of medical consent. You can search free research journals (is Plos One still openly published?) and Google Scholar is a great way to find research articles on any given topic. You might have a better understanding if you Ashley had ever been the victim of her nastiness like I was on the old board. I will NEVER forgive her for the nasty comments she made to me about my mother who had been just diagnosed with colon cancer. Never.... I'm sorry you were hurt. I personally choose not to carry around that kind of past with me. People here have said incredibly rude and hurtful things to me, (and about me, and about my family) and while I don't forget them, I also don't engage or bring it up. I find it's much nicer for me to live this way.
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Post by Goldynn on Aug 25, 2015 19:08:09 GMT
I don't understand the rudeness and vitriol in this thread. If you don't like Elannah's posting style, don't read her posts. There is no need to insult her and be so rude. There's no harm in wanting to learn more about a topic, and putting her down for it is just mean. If anyone was legitimately concerned about the quality of information she may find you could recommend good resources instead of mocking her. I think questioning things and wanting to know more is a good thing. Suggesting only a certain subset of the population is permitted to do so, is arrogant and restrictive. There are lots of free, accurate ways to research topics like the ethics of medical consent. You can search free research journals (is Plos One still openly published?) and Google Scholar is a great way to find research articles on any given topic. You might have a better understanding if you Ashley had ever been the victim of her nastiness like I was on the old board. I will NEVER forgive her for the nasty comments she made to me about my mother who had been just diagnosed with colon cancer. Never.... I don't know what she said to you christine58, but this makes my heart hurt for you...
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Post by artbabe on Aug 25, 2015 19:08:47 GMT
I don't know anything about being bi-polar but I don't believe Elannah is the only Pea who suffers from this condition. I'm happy to be corrected but that leads me to think that being bp doesn't automatically explain the type of threads she posts that upset people fairly regularly. I picked this quote out because it summed up what quite a few of you have said on here. I absolutely respect Gar's opinion and I'm glad that she put it in such a nice way. But... Okay, I'll jump into this mess. I am bipolar. A lot of you are offended that Elannah has opinions on things she doesn't have medical knowledge of. And then you all jump on her mental illness, when you don't seem to know the first thing about being bipolar. I don't make posts like Elannah, that is true. But I'm 49 years old. I've wrestled with medication for 20 years. I have over 30 years of experience dealing with mania cycles. And I'm lucky enough to have a type of bipolar that responds well to medication. Being bipolar ABSOLUTELY explains the types of threads she posts. I've read a few of her posts on both boards and I can tell she is in the middle of a mania. I've lived it. I know other people with it. This kind of post is classic bipolar. I had a friend that wrote a 10 page letter to the editor about some kind of obscure topic. I've gone on a tangent about some kind of political/ethic/etc. issue that lasted days. I can't tell you the amount of paper I've used putting all kinds of random thoughts on, that I thought at the time were very deep. Fortunately, I had most of my mania before the internet and message boards became common. If it were around then I am absolutely positive that I would have stepped my foot in it as bad Elannah did. The immediacy of the internet is really bad for people who are manic. At least when you wrote bizarre stuff on paper you usually had a chance to read it when you came down, before it got put in the mailbox. I'm not even going into the topic of this thread. Please stop the pile-on. Evidently a lot of you don't know the first thing about mental illness and have little compassion for someone who struggles with it. If anybody wants to know something about being bipolar, please ask me. I'm certainly not an expert but I definitely do have some experience with it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 19:12:34 GMT
www.gofundme.com/akzmq2az is the link to the story as it is not too far from where I live. This baby has Down Syndrome and cancer. She is being subjected to two lumbar punctures a week and 8-10 months of "intensive" chemotherapy. Would she be treated elsewhere in the world with the attitude "save at all costs" if she is potentially that sick? Would there be I cannot tell you how sad this post makes me. Your further explanations do nothing to make me feel better. Please, see your doctor Elannah. Your posts are so erratic. You are going through a lot right now, from what you have posted. Please get help.
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Post by gar on Aug 25, 2015 19:26:58 GMT
Thank you for your insight artbabe. I didn't want to offend anyone.
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Post by flute4peace on Aug 25, 2015 19:28:57 GMT
I don't know anything about being bi-polar but I don't believe Elannah is the only Pea who suffers from this condition. I'm happy to be corrected but that leads me to think that being bp doesn't automatically explain the type of threads she posts that upset people fairly regularly. I picked this quote out because it summed up what quite a few of you have said on here. I absolutely respect Gar's opinion and I'm glad that she put it in such a nice way. But... Okay, I'll jump into this mess. I am bipolar. A lot of you are offended that Elannah has opinions on things she doesn't have medical knowledge of. And then you all jump on her mental illness, when you don't seem to know the first thing about being bipolar. I don't make posts like Elannah, that is true. But I'm 49 years old. I've wrestled with medication for 20 years. I have over 30 years of experience dealing with mania cycles. And I'm lucky enough to have a type of bipolar that responds well to medication. Being bipolar ABSOLUTELY explains the types of threads she posts. I've read a few of her posts on both boards and I can tell she is in the middle of a mania. I've lived it. I know other people with it. This kind of post is classic bipolar. I had a friend that wrote a 10 page letter to the editor about some kind of obscure topic. I've gone on a tangent about some kind of political/ethic/etc. issue that lasted days. I can't tell you the amount of paper I've used putting all kinds of random thoughts on, that I thought at the time were very deep. Fortunately, I had most of my mania before the internet and message boards became common. If it were around then I am absolutely positive that I would have stepped my foot in it as bad Elannah did. The immediacy of the internet is really bad for people who are manic. At least when you wrote bizarre stuff on paper you usually had a chance to read it when you came down, before it got put in the mailbox. I'm not even going into the topic of this thread. Please stop the pile-on. Evidently a lot of you don't know the first thing about mental illness and have little compassion for someone who struggles with it. If anybody wants to know something about being bipolar, please ask me. I'm certainly not an expert but I definitely do have some experience with it. Thank you for sharing this, and for being so open about your experiences. It was very informative for me, and I'm sure others.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 25, 2015 19:35:28 GMT
I just wanted to second what artbabe said. Unless you have lived it, it's hard to understand. There are times when I read Elannah's posts and I have a momentary WTF moment. I do. But then I remember that she struggles with mental illness. I can see it in her posts. I have done things I'm not proud of when I have been in a manic phase and have had to ask for forgiveness and understanding from many people in my life. So if I can extend that same forgiveness and understanding to her, I will. I am one of the lucky ones. Medication and cognitive behavioral therapy have made it so that most people will never know I struggle with a mental illness. I hope that one day Elannah is also able to get to the place where I am. But should I have a meltdown, I hope I can count on the peas to extend compassion to me.
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Post by sharlag on Aug 25, 2015 19:50:03 GMT
This is the first I've heard of her disorder, and I'm a daily reader. You can't assume every responder knows.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 25, 2015 19:57:00 GMT
Even though she may or may not have mental illness, it doesn't mean we have to feed in to her manic episodes. In the future, I'm just going to ignore her posts. I wish the best for her, but I have enough drama in my life.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 25, 2015 19:57:01 GMT
Handicapped in multiple ways because of the Down's or because of the cancer ? I'm sure these people ( taken as an example) are pretty glad that no one made that decision when they were 10 months old and facing a life with Down's 7 stars with Down Syndrome there are many more that lead quite " normal" lives.Or for that matter the millions of children that have survived childhood leukaemia. Sorry I didn't make myself more clear I was actually primarily referring to premature births. Medical decisions are made to attempt to save babies that are being born earlier and earlier. Many of those who survive are left with so many disabilities that I'm not certain that they have any quality of life. Is there a point at which a line is draw that says enough is enough? Should there be? And many are left with no long-term problems. It is not really possible to predict who will do well and who will not, so everyone is given care. Advances are made every day. I don't know how you would save one child and tell the parents next door that you didn't think their child was worth the expense. I've seen a lot of preemies that were not expected to live outpacing their peers later on.
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Post by miominmio on Aug 25, 2015 20:01:55 GMT
This is the first I've heard of her disorder, and I'm a daily reader. You can't assume every responder knows. That's true, but when we DO know (I happened to see it today in another thread she posted days ago), shouldn't we at least try to show some compassion? I'm not handslapping anyone here, I should have been nicer, too. But there is too much nastiness on this thread. When bipolar Peas say they recognise mania in her posts, shouldn't the rest of us back up a bit and try to understand, at least?
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 25, 2015 20:20:40 GMT
Bipolar or not, she is attention seeking.
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 25, 2015 20:21:07 GMT
Sorry I didn't make myself more clear I was actually primarily referring to premature births. Medical decisions are made to attempt to save babies that are being born earlier and earlier. Many of those who survive are left with so many disabilities that I'm not certain that they have any quality of life. Is there a point at which a line is draw that says enough is enough? Should there be? I understand what you are saying, but honestly none of us can say for sure what quality of life someone might be able to have regardless of the number of disabilities. I'm not being harsh, just speaking from my personal experiences. I have one cousin who was delivered way to earlier. The doctor messed up, and he ended up with multiple lawsuits, and my cousin has had several surgeries through the years to switch out his shunts. He has developmental disabilities, but he is also extremely intelligent in other ways. He can pull apart and put together electronics like you wouldn't believe. He's 34 now, lives in his own apartment, has a job, and drives a golf cart. I have another cousin who was born with water on the brain. He will never walk, they said he wouldn't survive to adulthood because his limitations were so severe. He cannot sit up, he cannot use his arms and hands, he cannot talk, but he can verbalize and make eye movements, and he can smile....and his smile lights up the room. He's 25 now. Yes, it hasn't been easy on his single mother, he's in the hospital several times a year, but he is loving and caring and has been taught to use what he has to "vocalize" his needs. He uses his eyes, grunts and smile to let us know what he wants, needs and thinks. Will he have the quality of life that a non-handicapped person does? That remains to be seen, but it's his life, and you should see the posts people make to his Facebook page that his mom keeps updated for him every day. I also worked 9 years with developmentally disabled adults. One woman had never spoken in her adult life. One day as a child she just stopped....I worked with her for several years, and shortly before I left, the most miraculous thing...she looked at someone who was complaining in the workshop and said, "oh you big baby". I worked with another man who would never walk, had little control over his arms and was curled in a fetal position most of his life, but he was smart as a whip. And the sense of humor he had, amazing, even though he had little control of his vocal chords he could make the whole room crack up. I worked with many, many downs syndrome clients, and the one thing I will say that I learned from them, is how to love life.... So our definition of quality of life, may not be appropriate in determining whether an infant should be treated, because we just never know.
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Post by myboysnme on Aug 25, 2015 20:29:01 GMT
i have seen far worse things that people start Go Fund Me accounts for. how is helping a child with medical issues worse than asking for wedding money, vacation money, plastic surgery money, stupid inventions, etc.? I guess that's why I dislike Go Fund Me so much. I hate money grabs.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 25, 2015 20:33:16 GMT
Oh, good gravy. I think MOST of the posts on here have been nice!! most said for her to get OFF the freaking computer and go see her Dr. Advice she was given in ANOTHER thread. but no, she keeps posting, and posting. I work with bipolar, I know what it can be like. She needs to go see a dr, get on med's and take a break from the internet. And that is being nice, and kind and compassionate. Patting her on the head, and saying,. oh there there, ya poor dear is NOT helping.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Aug 25, 2015 20:36:47 GMT
You have no right to tell her to get off the internet. Nor does the fact that she doesn't justify ugly comments to her. If you actually work with bi-polar people, I'm surprised you have so little compassion. Don't like what she says, ignore her; especially if you know she's bi-polar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 20:41:37 GMT
Perhaps you should consider writing your ridiculous posts here and then hitting the delete button as you said you would do with your imaginary ethical paper? Why is it okay to inflict your crap on us all the time?
ETA: She'll disappear for a little while to let everything settle down here but she'll be back. She always comes back. didn't you just post that your daughter has been diagnosed with BPD i hope she gets more support and understanding from you then you show here
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 25, 2015 20:56:10 GMT
I was gone all day. Too many to try and quote. Whether or not I find this to be personally offensive or not I guess I don't think the thread needs to be be removed by admin. People can choose to not comment so that it falls to page 2 or 3 which usually leads to the death of the thread. Someone said that if we google this girl's name the thread will come up in discussion. I tried it. It didn't for me and this discussion is even part of my firefox cookies. I googled just the name and not even the gofundme showed up, then when i entered the name _____ _____ baby with cancer the gofundme did show up in my google search but no 2 pea page did at all. Just to reassure folks who were worried that somehow her family would read this.
ETA: why are we so compassionate with kids on the spectrum, and with various mental health struggles and disorders but not adults with the same. All these kids will become adults some day. ODD for example might be "cute" in a difficult 5 year old girl but why are we as as society so willing to give kids support, but not adults with bipolar, ODD, ADD etc?
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Post by christine58 on Aug 25, 2015 20:59:38 GMT
You might have a better understanding if you Ashley had ever been the victim of her nastiness like I was on the old board. I will NEVER forgive her for the nasty comments she made to me about my mother who had been just diagnosed with colon cancer. Never.... I don't know what she said to you christine58, but this makes my heart hurt for you... Thanks...it was pretty nasty. And I can handle crap tossed my way but don't be nasty about my mom and her cancer--which is GONE by the way
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Post by azredhead on Aug 25, 2015 20:59:43 GMT
I just hope she gets help. I mentioned that when she asked in the other thread.She was asking for help that was clear. I hope she gets the help she needs.
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Post by penny on Aug 25, 2015 21:14:49 GMT
Why are so many of you beating up on a person we already know is dealing with mental health issues? She is entitled to post her opinions and you are entitled to ignore her or put her on ignore. Please stop it. I'm certain she has enough people judging her in real life. Because, like I've said and pjaye's said and like many others have said - she's hurting people with this thread... Having mental health issues doesn't mean you're allowed to carelessly hurt others... And btw, she and you are free to ignore me... If you don't like people speaking out against her and in support of this family - ignore us...
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Post by penny on Aug 25, 2015 21:19:06 GMT
Why are so many of you beating up on a person we already know is dealing with mental health issues? She is entitled to post her opinions and you are entitled to ignore her or put her on ignore. Please stop it. I'm certain she has enough people judging her in real life. In three words...because they can. Only here do you find people berating a person with known mental illness. While I understand their frustration with Elannah's posts, mental illness has never stopped the peas from piling on. Well, lots of us have mental illnesses... I'm going to use mine as an excuse for every hurtful, bullying, inappropriate, callous, insensitive, spontaneous, unconsidered thought bomb I want to drop...
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Post by sharlag on Aug 25, 2015 21:26:15 GMT
Bipolar or not, she is attention seeking. How is she more attention seeking than me, posting about clothes hangers? Aren't we all seeking responses to our posts?
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Post by penny on Aug 25, 2015 21:28:33 GMT
You have no right to tell her to get off the internet. Nor does the fact that she doesn't justify ugly comments to her. If you actually work with bi-polar people, I'm surprised you have so little compassion. Don't like what she says, ignore her; especially if you know she's bi-polar. And how do we show support for those who she's hurt? And how do we show compassion for what her comments have done to them? I never said she did/does this intentionally... This isn't a pile on about who she is as a person or her intentions... This is a stand against certain, very specific comments that she makes... I wish the best for her, and understand that she faces a struggle that is difficult and that waxes and wanes and changes shape... That doesn't mean that this post - these specific comments, are in any way acceptable...
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