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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 21:23:44 GMT
Loud...not everything is about race. When you turn everything into race, the actual racial issue are tainted. Stop being loud and enjoy the train.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 25, 2015 22:20:00 GMT
What did you read? The article.. never states that they were obnoxious, or "screamy".... Where do you come up with that? Maybe this article didn't say it- but the ones I've read have described just that. I didn't ' come up with' anything. Being loud and boisterous- 'just out for a good time' - sounds great. Probably would have been great, a lot of places. But in this place, it was not. This is a small enclosed space and there is no way to get away from the noise, for other people. Everyone paid to be on that trip- why should a few people with no decorum be more important than everyone else? If you want to be loud and uninhibited and obnoxious- choose a different venue where that behavior is more appropriate. There are some personalities in this world that feel it's their duty to entertain the masses, 'who wouldn't be interested' in what they say or do? It's inconceivable to them that they could just be flat out annoying to other people. I know people like this. I'm related to people like this. They come in all shapes, colors and sizes. Well.. actually the Wine Train Company has agreed that the incident was mishandled and apologized... www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wine-train-apologizes_55dcaa31e4b0a40aa3ac5bbb?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&kvcommref=mostpopular&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000047
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Post by sues on Aug 25, 2015 22:25:20 GMT
I was with a group of ladies at a restaurant and we were definitely laughing too loud and they moved us out of the dining room. They put us in a tiny space, but we just laughed it off and continued with our dinner. Unless every group they've asked off the train has been black, I don't think you can say it's racially motivated. I know when we were at this restaurant, we were loud. I wouldn't say we were obnoxious, but we were loud. And a couple having dinner complained. We knew it was them because they were shooting us death glares the whole time. And when we were asked to move, we got even louder. It's human nature to get a little defensive when called on your behavior and I think that's at play here. I think you're right on all counts. When I used to work trade shows, huge groups of us would go out to dinner every day after the show. We didn't otherwise ever get a chance to see each other- we were from all over the country. We would definitely get loud- all the talking and laughing and happy-to-be-together people. I think restaurants in the area of convention centers get used to it during shows, but I could usually see that we bugged some people that were close to us. Someone in the group always apologized and explained- and it usually smoothed things over. I mean, I get it- I've been on both sides of it. If the restaurant had ever offered to put us in another room, we'd have happily gone. Sometimes they started us off in another room, or the far side of a big room- probably realizing the potential for noise. I think in this case, the people who were asked to quiet down, took offense instead of considering the other people in the car- and it escalated from there.
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Post by sues on Aug 25, 2015 22:28:05 GMT
Maybe this article didn't say it- but the ones I've read have described just that. I didn't ' come up with' anything. Being loud and boisterous- 'just out for a good time' - sounds great. Probably would have been great, a lot of places. But in this place, it was not. This is a small enclosed space and there is no way to get away from the noise, for other people. Everyone paid to be on that trip- why should a few people with no decorum be more important than everyone else? If you want to be loud and uninhibited and obnoxious- choose a different venue where that behavior is more appropriate. There are some personalities in this world that feel it's their duty to entertain the masses, 'who wouldn't be interested' in what they say or do? It's inconceivable to them that they could just be flat out annoying to other people. I know people like this. I'm related to people like this. They come in all shapes, colors and sizes. Well.. actually the Wine Train Company has agreed that the incident was mishandled and apologized... www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wine-train-apologizes_55dcaa31e4b0a40aa3ac5bbb?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&kvcommref=mostpopular&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000047Of course they did. It's getting national attention. This is what always happens. What else are they going to do- belabor the point and end up looking worse? This is classic ' the customer-is-always-right' smoothing over.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 25, 2015 22:28:42 GMT
Maybe this article didn't say it- but the ones I've read have described just that. I didn't ' come up with' anything. Being loud and boisterous- 'just out for a good time' - sounds great. Probably would have been great, a lot of places. But in this place, it was not. This is a small enclosed space and there is no way to get away from the noise, for other people. Everyone paid to be on that trip- why should a few people with no decorum be more important than everyone else? If you want to be loud and uninhibited and obnoxious- choose a different venue where that behavior is more appropriate. There are some personalities in this world that feel it's their duty to entertain the masses, 'who wouldn't be interested' in what they say or do? It's inconceivable to them that they could just be flat out annoying to other people. I know people like this. I'm related to people like this. They come in all shapes, colors and sizes. Well.. actually the Wine Train Company has agreed that the incident was mishandled and apologized... www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wine-train-apologizes_55dcaa31e4b0a40aa3ac5bbb?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&kvcommref=mostpopular&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000047Uncomfortable uncomfortable to be singled out as the one to complain maybe? If it was truely racial then yes shame on them but I think they are just saying whatever at this point because it has gone viral snd nasty comments are being left on review sites. They just want to go on business is business and this is hurting theirs. They will say snd do snything at this point to make it go away. Again I really hope it wasn't racial and just they got too loud and then got mad when they were kicked off. If it was a bad call based on race I think the person responsible needs more than diversity training.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 25, 2015 22:30:58 GMT
Of course they did. It's getting national attention. This is what always happens. What else are they going to do- belabor the point and end up looking worse? This is classic ' the customer-is-always-right' smoothing over. I don't mean to pick on you.. So ignore me if you feel I am. But you post with absolute certainty ( at least that is how I am interpreting what you are saying) I have no idea if it is racial bias or they were being too loud. How do you know what happened when you weren't there and the reports are completely conflicting?
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Post by sues on Aug 25, 2015 22:32:28 GMT
Of course they did. It's getting national attention. This is what always happens. What else are they going to do- belabor the point and end up looking worse? This is classic ' the customer-is-always-right' smoothing over. I don't mean to pick on you.. So ignore me if you feel I am. But you post with absolute certainty ( at least that is how I am interpreting what you are saying) I have no idea if it is racial bias or they were being too loud. How do you know what happened when you weren't there and the reports are completely conflicting? I give up.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 26, 2015 0:13:57 GMT
Of course they did. It's getting national attention. This is what always happens. What else are they going to do- belabor the point and end up looking worse? This is classic ' the customer-is-always-right' smoothing over. It sucks that businesses keep bending over to ill mannered customers because of social media
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Post by julieb on Aug 26, 2015 1:01:10 GMT
From wine train apology:
Obviously other passengers were not happy with their behavior. If you are asked THREE times to tone it down, then out of common courtesy, you tone it down.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 26, 2015 1:31:14 GMT
From wine train apology: Obviously other passengers were not happy with their behavior. If you are asked THREE times to tone it down, then out of common courtesy, you tone it down. Other people's faces were uncomfortable? Maybe they had hemorrhoids, maybe they just had a natural resting bitch face. So according to this report.. no one actually complained to the wine train, an employee of the wine train took it upon his or herself to interpret someones look as being uncomfortable, and then decided that the reason this person was uncomfortable was because a group of passengers, were laughing and having fun.. on GASP a wine train and the uncomfortable look was because they were too loud. Then people all over the internet are taking that uncomfortable look to mean they were obnoxious and screamy. The people who were thrown off the train felt like it was racially or culturally motivated. The company apologized and stated that they needed to provide their employees with diversity training. Now am I going to believe the interpretation of people on the internet who weren't there, or am I going to believe the people who were actually there?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 2:56:42 GMT
Other people's faces were uncomfortable? Maybe they had hemorrhoids, maybe they just had a natural resting bitch face. So according to this report.. no one actually complained to the wine train, an employee of the wine train took it upon his or herself to interpret someones look as being uncomfortable, and then decided that the reason this person was uncomfortable was because a group of passengers, were laughing and having fun.. on GASP a wine train and the uncomfortable look was because they were too loud. Then people all over the internet are taking that uncomfortable look to mean they were obnoxious and screamy. The people who were thrown off the train felt like it was racially or culturally motivated. The company apologized and stated that they needed to provide their employees with diversity training. Now am I going to believe the interpretation of people on the internet who weren't there, or am I going to believe the people who were actually there? So do you think these ladies were behaving appropriately and some employee just decided to make life harder on himself and throw them off the train? You know, instead of just kicking back, he hates black people enough to get up and do the work to kick them off for fun and laughs. Somebody besides the attendant and with authority had to approve the girls being escorted off the train. Call the police And arrange for a bus to meet the train in St. Helena to take them back to Napa. So I'm thinking for the train company to go through all that trouble there must have been a fair number of complaints. That a lot of work to do just to toss someone off the train on a whim. Especially since I don't believe the train normally stop at that station.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 3:40:23 GMT
From wine train apology: Obviously other passengers were not happy with their behavior. If you are asked THREE times to tone it down, then out of common courtesy, you tone it down. Other people's faces were uncomfortable? Maybe they had hemorrhoids, maybe they just had a natural resting bitch face. So according to this report.. no one actually complained to the wine train, an employee of the wine train took it upon his or herself to interpret someones look as being uncomfortable, and then decided that the reason this person was uncomfortable was because a group of passengers, were laughing and having fun.. on GASP a wine train and the uncomfortable look was because they were too loud. Then people all over the internet are taking that uncomfortable look to mean they were obnoxious and screamy. The people who were thrown off the train felt like it was racially or culturally motivated. The company apologized and stated that they needed to provide their employees with diversity training. Now am I going to believe the interpretation of people on the internet who weren't there, or am I going to believe the people who were actually there? I'm not following this story closely, but if that's the way this went down, then I don't think the employee needs diversity training so much as basic customer service training. I'm not sure how laughing on a wine training is a cultural thing. (At least, I hope it's not because the wine train is on my bucket list, and I sure hope I get to laugh while on it.....!)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 8:10:22 GMT
From wine train apology: Obviously other passengers were not happy with their behavior. If you are asked THREE times to tone it down, then out of common courtesy, you tone it down. Other people's faces were uncomfortable? Maybe they had hemorrhoids, maybe they just had a natural resting bitch face. So according to this report.. no one actually complained to the wine train, an employee of the wine train took it upon his or herself to interpret someones look as being uncomfortable, and then decided that the reason this person was uncomfortable was because a group of passengers, were laughing and having fun.. on GASP a wine train and the uncomfortable look was because they were too loud. Then people all over the internet are taking that uncomfortable look to mean they were obnoxious and screamy. The people who were thrown off the train felt like it was racially or culturally motivated. The company apologized and stated that they needed to provide their employees with diversity training. Now am I going to believe the interpretation of people on the internet who weren't there, or am I going to believe the people who were actually there? If I'm paying $120+ per person for an event, then I HOPE that I don't have to get up and go complain about poor behavior that should be obvious to anyone with ears. The staff was doing their job by observing all of the customers and doing what was best for the majority. When one group dominates a small area by being loud, it makes it difficult to have any sort of conversation between a couple or another small group. I don't need resting bitch face or words to show my displeasure over something like that. You can't tell me that you have never been in a situation where you have not observed a "look" between two people that tells you exactly how they feel about something going on in the vicinity. And like others, I know I've been that person in an annoying group once or twice in my life (probably much more often because according to my husband I do not have an inside voice) and I'll guarantee that if I saw a look pass between people that showed they were annoyed or if management asked my group to tone it down, I would be embarrassed and comply rather than be aggressive and try to blame it on my skin color.
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Post by julieb on Aug 26, 2015 12:21:51 GMT
From wine train apology: Obviously other passengers were not happy with their behavior. If you are asked THREE times to tone it down, then out of common courtesy, you tone it down. Other people's faces were uncomfortable? Maybe they had hemorrhoids, maybe they just had a natural resting bitch face. So according to this report.. no one actually complained to the wine train, an employee of the wine train took it upon his or herself to interpret someones look as being uncomfortable, and then decided that the reason this person was uncomfortable was because a group of passengers, were laughing and having fun.. on GASP a wine train and the uncomfortable look was because they were too loud. Then people all over the internet are taking that uncomfortable look to mean they were obnoxious and screamy. The people who were thrown off the train felt like it was racially or culturally motivated. The company apologized and stated that they needed to provide their employees with diversity training. Now am I going to believe the interpretation of people on the internet who weren't there, or am I going to believe the people who were actually there?
This is just a small part of the interaction that obviously was received from the employees after asking the group to keep it down. We will see if time will bring forward any of the complaining passengers, but I think at this point they would not want to come forward for fear of being called a racist.
The train company is going to apologize weather their employees were wrong or right. If this happens approximately one a month, I think the race card is being played.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 26, 2015 12:24:18 GMT
Other people's faces were uncomfortable? Maybe they had hemorrhoids, maybe they just had a natural resting bitch face. So according to this report.. no one actually complained to the wine train, an employee of the wine train took it upon his or herself to interpret someones look as being uncomfortable, and then decided that the reason this person was uncomfortable was because a group of passengers, were laughing and having fun.. on GASP a wine train and the uncomfortable look was because they were too loud. Then people all over the internet are taking that uncomfortable look to mean they were obnoxious and screamy. The people who were thrown off the train felt like it was racially or culturally motivated. The company apologized and stated that they needed to provide their employees with diversity training. Now am I going to believe the interpretation of people on the internet who weren't there, or am I going to believe the people who were actually there? So do you think these ladies were behaving appropriately and some employee just decided to make life harder on himself and throw them off the train? You know, instead of just kicking back, he hates black people enough to get up and do the work to kick them off for fun and laughs. I don't know I wasn't there. Based on the apology from the company, the incident appears to have been handled poorly. I don't know if it was racially motivated or just a person who was over zealous in performing their job.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 26, 2015 12:27:43 GMT
So do you think these ladies were behaving appropriately and some employee just decided to make life harder on himself and throw them off the train? You know, instead of just kicking back, he hates black people enough to get up and do the work to kick them off for fun and laughs. Somebody besides the attendant and with authority had to approve the girls being escorted off the train. Call the police And arrange for a bus to meet the train in St. Helena to take them back to Napa. So I'm thinking for the train company to go through all that trouble there must have been a fair number of complaints. That a lot of work to do just to toss someone off the train on a whim. Especially since I don't believe the train normally stop at that station. If there were a fair number of complaints I would agree with you.. but wouldn't the wine train company have said that at the time? What they did say was that an employee stated that other customers had a uncomfortable look on their face.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 26, 2015 12:49:12 GMT
Other people's faces were uncomfortable? Maybe they had hemorrhoids, maybe they just had a natural resting bitch face. So according to this report.. no one actually complained to the wine train, an employee of the wine train took it upon his or herself to interpret someones look as being uncomfortable, and then decided that the reason this person was uncomfortable was because a group of passengers, were laughing and having fun.. on GASP a wine train and the uncomfortable look was because they were too loud. Then people all over the internet are taking that uncomfortable look to mean they were obnoxious and screamy. The people who were thrown off the train felt like it was racially or culturally motivated. The company apologized and stated that they needed to provide their employees with diversity training. Now am I going to believe the interpretation of people on the internet who weren't there, or am I going to believe the people who were actually there? If I'm paying $120+ per person for an event, then I HOPE that I don't have to get up and go complain about poor behavior that should be obvious to anyone with ears. The staff was doing their job by observing all of the customers and doing what was best for the majority. When one group dominates a small area by being loud, it makes it difficult to have any sort of conversation between a couple or another small group. I don't need resting bitch face or words to show my displeasure over something like that. You can't tell me that you have never been in a situation where you have not observed a "look" between two people that tells you exactly how they feel about something going on in the vicinity. And like others, I know I've been that person in an annoying group once or twice in my life (probably much more often because according to my husband I do not have an inside voice) and I'll guarantee that if I saw a look pass between people that showed they were annoyed or if management asked my group to tone it down, I would be embarrassed and comply rather than be aggressive and try to blame it on my skin color. But the book club booked as a group. From the Wine Train's apology.... "Clearly we knew in advance when we booked your party that you would be loud, fun-loving and boisterous- because you told us during the booking process that you wanted a place where your club could enjoy each other's company....." I am amazed by how many people are willing to completely dismiss this groups statement of events, and assume that they were obnoxious, and screamy, without there being evidence to support that. Only assumptions made by people who weren't there. I don't understand this insistent belief that if they were kicked off the train, they deserved it. I would imagine in this day of social media and camera's everywhere. If their behavior was so bad that they needed to be kicked off the train, someone would have video taped it. I believe that this type of an issue is at the core of our racial issues in America, we do not all act the same way in the same situation, and we need to accept that is okay.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 26, 2015 13:00:51 GMT
If I'm paying $120+ per person for an event, then I HOPE that I don't have to get up and go complain about poor behavior that should be obvious to anyone with ears. The staff was doing their job by observing all of the customers and doing what was best for the majority. When one group dominates a small area by being loud, it makes it difficult to have any sort of conversation between a couple or another small group. I don't need resting bitch face or words to show my displeasure over something like that. You can't tell me that you have never been in a situation where you have not observed a "look" between two people that tells you exactly how they feel about something going on in the vicinity. And like others, I know I've been that person in an annoying group once or twice in my life (probably much more often because according to my husband I do not have an inside voice) and I'll guarantee that if I saw a look pass between people that showed they were annoyed or if management asked my group to tone it down, I would be embarrassed and comply rather than be aggressive and try to blame it on my skin color. But the book club booked as a group. From the Wine Train's apology.... "Clearly we knew in advance when we booked your party that you would be loud, fun-loving and boisterous- because you told us during the booking process that you wanted a place where your club could enjoy each other's company....." I am amazed by how many people are willing to completely dismiss this groups statement of events, and assume that they were obnoxious, and screamy, without there being evidence to support that. Only assumptions made by people who weren't there. I don't understand this insistent belief that if they were kicked off the train, they deserved it. I would imagine in this day of social media and camera's everywhere. If their behavior was so bad that they needed to be kicked off the train, someone would have video taped it. I believe that this type of an issue is at the core of our racial issues in America, we do not all act the same way in the same situation, and we need to accept that is okay. The problem is that there is no indication that putting them off the train was racially motivated. There is indication that it was because of their noise level. Even saying that the company could have handled it better, that they should have known when booking the group that they would be fairly loud, does not make this racially motivated.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 26, 2015 13:09:55 GMT
But the book club booked as a group. From the Wine Train's apology.... "Clearly we knew in advance when we booked your party that you would be loud, fun-loving and boisterous- because you told us during the booking process that you wanted a place where your club could enjoy each other's company....." I am amazed by how many people are willing to completely dismiss this groups statement of events, and assume that they were obnoxious, and screamy, without there being evidence to support that. Only assumptions made by people who weren't there. I don't understand this insistent belief that if they were kicked off the train, they deserved it. I would imagine in this day of social media and camera's everywhere. If their behavior was so bad that they needed to be kicked off the train, someone would have video taped it. I believe that this type of an issue is at the core of our racial issues in America, we do not all act the same way in the same situation, and we need to accept that is okay. The problem is that there is no indication that putting them off the train was racially motivated. There is indication that it was because of their noise level. Even saying that the company could have handled it better, that they should have known when booking the group that they would be fairly loud, does not make this racially motivated. You are right, I don't know if it was racially motivated, but I am going to believe the women who were kicked off the train, because they were there, and the company has apologized, and agreed they were wrong.. and agreed that their staff needed diversity training, which makes me believe that race played a part. Or in my experience they would have said they needed customer service training.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 26, 2015 13:15:03 GMT
The problem is that there is no indication that putting them off the train was racially motivated. There is indication that it was because of their noise level. Even saying that the company could have handled it better, that they should have known when booking the group that they would be fairly loud, does not make this racially motivated. You are right, I don't know if it was racially motivated, but I am going to believe the women who were kicked off the train, because they were there, and the company has apologized, and agreed they were wrong.. and agreed that their staff needed diversity training, which makes me believe that race played a part. Or in my experience they would have said they needed customer service training. Or maybe gender played a part. Or, as sues says, they are trying to placate the masses and they were kicked off just because they were loud.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 26, 2015 13:42:55 GMT
You are right, I don't know if it was racially motivated, but I am going to believe the women who were kicked off the train, because they were there, and the company has apologized, and agreed they were wrong.. and agreed that their staff needed diversity training, which makes me believe that race played a part. Or in my experience they would have said they needed customer service training. Or maybe gender played a part. Or, as sues says, they are trying to placate the masses and they were kicked off just because they were loud. If they were trying to "placate the masses" where are those masses.. why aren't they talking on social media?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 26, 2015 14:13:10 GMT
Having been on this train a couple of times, I wanted to dispute the idea it is anything approaching bar-like in atmosphere. The train also does not stop. It is definitely more on par with a romantic, date-night restaurant than even a winery.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 14:37:32 GMT
I think the train company caved and decided to cut their PR losses and admit they didn't handle the situation correctly. And I don't blame them because of today's climate concerning race relations.
However I think the ladies were tossed because they were too loud and continued to be too loud after being asked to tone it down.
One does not toss people off a train on a whim. The train had to make an unscheduled stop, someone had to call the police and then arrange for bus transportation back to Napa. Someone with authority either on the train or back at their home office made the final decision.
I think the ladies played the race card.
And where are the masses saying all this? My guess with all the tension surrounding race few people are going to accuse these ladies of playing the race card.
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Post by not2peased on Aug 26, 2015 14:49:05 GMT
I can see why they might think it was racially motivated-if you see a large number of people doing the same thing(s) and only the black people are singled out for censure or removal from the bus-I can see why it would be construed as racially motivated
I agree with the person that said we have no way of knowing since we weren't there-maybe they were being "too loud" and "too obnoxious" or maybe they were behaving in a way that was in line with a number of other people and were singled out-it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine without video or having been there at the time.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 26, 2015 14:51:27 GMT
If I'm paying $120+ per person for an event, then I HOPE that I don't have to get up and go complain about poor behavior that should be obvious to anyone with ears. The staff was doing their job by observing all of the customers and doing what was best for the majority. When one group dominates a small area by being loud, it makes it difficult to have any sort of conversation between a couple or another small group. I don't need resting bitch face or words to show my displeasure over something like that. You can't tell me that you have never been in a situation where you have not observed a "look" between two people that tells you exactly how they feel about something going on in the vicinity. And like others, I know I've been that person in an annoying group once or twice in my life (probably much more often because according to my husband I do not have an inside voice) and I'll guarantee that if I saw a look pass between people that showed they were annoyed or if management asked my group to tone it down, I would be embarrassed and comply rather than be aggressive and try to blame it on my skin color. But the book club booked as a group. From the Wine Train's apology.... "Clearly we knew in advance when we booked your party that you would be loud, fun-loving and boisterous- because you told us during the booking process that you wanted a place where your club could enjoy each other's company....." I am amazed by how many people are willing to completely dismiss this groups statement of events, and assume that they were obnoxious, and screamy, without there being evidence to support that. Only assumptions made by people who weren't there. I don't understand this insistent belief that if they were kicked off the train, they deserved it. I would imagine in this day of social media and camera's everywhere. If their behavior was so bad that they needed to be kicked off the train, someone would have video taped it. I believe that this type of an issue is at the core of our racial issues in America, we do not all act the same way in the same situation, and we need to accept that is okay. There's video of the group. In every video I have seen they are in fact loud, too loud to be socially acceptable, and obnoxious. I'm basing my opinions on that.
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Post by not2peased on Aug 26, 2015 15:54:13 GMT
there is video from the train ride in question?
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Post by sharlag on Aug 26, 2015 17:42:18 GMT
Never having ridden a wine train, I'd expect it to be akin to a party bus. Loud, and louder as the day progressed and passengers ingested more alcohol.
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Post by redayh on Aug 26, 2015 18:17:06 GMT
If other groups of women of other races were doing the same thing and this group was the only group to get removed from the train AND have the police called on them, then I might agree that it was, at least, exacerbated by race if not racially motivated.
If they are always removing groups of people from the train, irrespective of race, for loudness or disruptiveness and calling the police on them, then I think it was aurally motivated.
I wasn't there, so of course, I can't say for sure.
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Post by oh yvonne on Aug 26, 2015 18:24:47 GMT
Having been on this train a couple of times, I wanted to dispute the idea it is anything approaching bar-like in atmosphere. The train also does not stop. It is definitely more on par with a romantic, date-night restaurant than even a winery. Thank you for clarifying that!
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Post by Scarlet Ohana on Aug 27, 2015 2:58:02 GMT
Having been on this train a couple of times, I wanted to dispute the idea it is anything approaching bar-like in atmosphere. The train also does not stop. It is definitely more on par with a romantic, date-night restaurant than even a winery. Word. I have rode as well, my husband and I for our anniversary. It's NOT a party train. If that's what you wanted to do you should have taken a bus/limo. If you are asked three times to tone it down and you don't, don't be surprised when you are asked to leave no matter what color you are.
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