sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Aug 27, 2015 20:58:19 GMT
Whose responsibility is it to make sure a single table's various orders are ready and fresh at the same time? For example a quick and easy sandwich vs a steak or something that takes longer?
Do they just rely on the warming device on the counter to store it all together for the server to then grab and deliver when it all is ready?
DS is new at an Italian restaurant and said something about it being the waiter/servers job to give the orders in some spaced out by the minute fashion to the cook so that each table's food is all ready at once, which sounds absurd to me.
I'm sure someone is rolling their eyes at this question, but I've never worked in a restaurant kitchen other than a sort of fast food Mexican place.
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Post by its me mg on Aug 27, 2015 21:01:21 GMT
Well he's partially right ...
He needs to know how long it takes for a dish to cook so he can pace his orders right. If he fires off something too fast, then they'll come up back to back, and often times the guest will complain.
What I mean is if you get a chips and guac appetizer, and add on a cup of tortilla soup .. but just as you take your first bite of soup ... bam! dinner appears! that's the servers fault.
The cooks, however, are all automated. The items appear on their screen in a manner where if you have a well done burger that takes 10 minutes to cook, and a salad which takes 3 minutes, the salad guy won't see his order until the steak hits 7 minuts, and then they both pop up at the ten minute mark. Does that make sense?
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 27, 2015 21:02:23 GMT
According to Gordon Ramsay and Robert Irvine (I watch too much Food Network ) it's the job of the expediter. When I waitress-ed in a restaurant (2 different ones actually) it was usually a manager who was making sure food was all ready to go and the plates looked nice. But I'm guessing the head chef would be the guy who actually says "I need chicken dropped" or whatever they'd say.
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Post by loco coco on Aug 27, 2015 21:18:56 GMT
from my experience the only thing a server needed to space out was an appetizer from the meal ticket if the table ordered everything at the same time. However, when I worked at a more chain like place who had a better computer system, you could put in everything at once and it would print the app on a separate ticket automatically. That place had expediters and they would make sure the app ticket was done first.
Ive never heard of servers having to put in several separate orders for 1 table, that sounds like you could get busy and easily forget to put in 1 of the orders which would suck!
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Aug 27, 2015 21:19:38 GMT
In my experience, it differs depending on the restaurant, chain, ownership, structure, etc. In reality, it should be a combination of good processes, good training (such as servers who are trained to insert orders at the right times and cooks who know how to manage their orders) and good management.
However, as someone who worked in two different restaurants over the course of six years, I find the particular methodology you describe to be ludicrous. If I were to guess, I would say it is a stand alone, privately owned restaurant that still does manual tickets?
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sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Aug 27, 2015 21:23:03 GMT
In my experience, it differs depending on the restaurant, chain, ownership, structure, etc. In reality, it should be a combination of good processes, good training (such as servers who are trained to insert orders at the right times and cooks who know how to manage their orders) and good management. However, as someone who worked in two different restaurants over the course of six years, I find the particular methodology you describe to be ludicrous. If I were to guess, I would say it is a stand alone, privately owned restaurant that still does manual tickets?Yes it's stand alone, privately owned. The servers write down the orders on a pad, but I don't know if anything is automated behind the scenes like a computer entry screen that I've seen at chains restaurants. I can't imagine carrying my sandwich order around and counting the minutes while waiting on the other tables in my section and whatnot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 21:24:21 GMT
It's going to differ from restaurant to restaurant. At restaurants run with an old paper-based system, I suppose it could be the server's responsibility. At modern, higher end restaurants, there's going to be an expediter and that's their job. Even less expensive, high volume restaurants will have an expediter. I think it's fairly uncommon for that to fall on front-of-house staff, though. It's primarily the job of th kitchen staff.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 27, 2015 21:48:34 GMT
Back in the dark ages, through college and grad school and beyond, I waitressesd at many restaurants in different states.
We submitted one handwritten ticket for each table. It was the responsibility of the line cooks to figure out the timing - when to start cooking each dish. It was my responsibility to pick it up on time and do some garnishing. (Food left under heat lamps gets icky, and chefs whose food sits get even ickier...)
The system you describe sounds wacky.
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 27, 2015 21:50:50 GMT
I can't imagine carrying my sandwich order around and counting the minutes while waiting on the other tables in my section and whatnot. Wait, the waitstaff has to carry the order around?!?!?! Now that's ludicrous, at the very least it should be under a heat lamp getting old, not out in the dining room getting gross.
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sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Aug 27, 2015 21:50:27 GMT
Maybe the are wacky there, AmeliaBloomer , because every time I order spinach ravioli there, I have to ask them to heat it up when it arrives at the table.
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sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Aug 27, 2015 21:51:55 GMT
I can't imagine carrying my sandwich order around and counting the minutes while waiting on the other tables in my section and whatnot. Wait, the waitstaff has to carry the order around?!?!?! Now that's ludicrous, at the very least it should be under a heat lamp getting old, not out in the dining room getting gross. LOL I meant the paper with the order written on it, NOT the sandwich. (still LOLing....) And I'm sure I'm incorrect with that thought.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 27, 2015 21:54:12 GMT
It's going to differ from restaurant to restaurant. At restaurants run with an old paper-based system, I suppose it could be the server's responsibility. At modern, higher end restaurants, there's going to be an expediter and that's their job. Even less expensive, high volume restaurants will have an expediter. I think it's fairly uncommon for that to fall on front-of-house staff, though. It's primarily the job of th kitchen staff. I forgot about expediters! That wasn't a high-end thing, at least in my experience - more high volume. The expediter had nothing to do with food preparation timing; they corralled and garnished plates and bellowed our names. The swankiest places I worked (team approach with maitre d, head waiter, kitchen waiter, and busser), same thing: the chefs still were in charge of timing. When it was ready, the kitchen waiters picked it up. I'm still voting unusual and wacky. It makes me twitchy just thinking about it.
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 27, 2015 21:54:54 GMT
Wait, the waitstaff has to carry the order around?!?!?! Now that's ludicrous, at the very least it should be under a heat lamp getting old, not out in the dining room getting gross. LOL I meant the paper with the order written on it, NOT the sandwich. (still LOLing....) And I'm sure I'm incorrect with that thought. well that's slightly better apparently it's been a long day and my reading comprehension isn't up to par. So glad to hear they aren't actually dragging sandwiches around the dining room
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Post by k8smom on Aug 27, 2015 21:57:14 GMT
I waitressed and loved it in my 20s, from a family dinner to a fine dining French restaurant. I never had to assume responsibility for timing, the kitchen did that. From my experience, they time preparation of everything around the longest to cook item on the order. So a well done steak would be the first item on the grill, and say a BLT would be the very last thing so they were done at approx the same time. (Most restaurants cook the bacon ahead and just reheat on the grill.) In the French restaurant, the appetizer course usually bought the kitchen some time to prepare the main menu. (Plenty of escargot in garlic butter!)
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 27, 2015 23:18:09 GMT
Maybe the are wacky there, AmeliaBloomer , because every time I order spinach ravioli there, I have to ask them to heat it up when it arrives at the table. Well, clearly, it is incumbent on you to stop ordering spinach ravioli.
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Post by its me mg on Aug 28, 2015 9:28:05 GMT
The expo will organize the food and get it out of the window, but they usually have no idea where the table is at in their meals. They just run what's up.
My servers enter orders, and can put the entrees on hold. The table blinks to remind them they have food on hold to be sent. Every time they swipe their card they get the blinky table so they know to fire it.
My first serving job, I had to remember to keep the order sheet and go back and re-ring it. That was nerve wracking. At least the blinky tables reminds the teammate.
I'm kind of curious to know how the computer knows how to send entrees. Who's to say I didn't want the app as my meal? Will your kitchen automatically send my dinner out first assuming its an app? There's gotta be a way to designate that.
Funny how we all operate a little differently.
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 28, 2015 9:42:39 GMT
It's going to differ from restaurant to restaurant. At restaurants run with an old paper-based system, I suppose it could be the server's responsibility. At modern, higher end restaurants, there's going to be an expediter and that's their job. Even less expensive, high volume restaurants will have an expediter. I think it's fairly uncommon for that to fall on front-of-house staff, though. It's primarily the job of th kitchen staff. I was going to mention the expediter, and the only reason I even know about that is from watching shows like Master Chef, Top Chef, and Hell's Kitchen. lolol... And if Gordon Ramsey is your expediter for the evening then you ("you" being one of the contestants) are in for a lot of trauma.
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Post by scrappysurfer on Aug 28, 2015 10:31:03 GMT
The server times the apps and entrees. They have to gauge timing based on several things, including the number of apps at the table, how fast they thinK the table will eat it (I.e. a single app for a table of 5 will be finished as soon as the app is set down so I would probably put in the apps and entrees at the same time for a larger table) how many tickets the kitchen currently has (which means they probably won't even start cooking your order as soon as they receive it because they're busy with previous tickets). A server has to know the flow of his kitchen.
Usually there is an expediter and then a chef on point, who directs the cooks on what he needs 'dropped' or start cooking. A grilled chicken obviously takes longer than a mid-rare steak so he'd tell them to start the chicken then know when he needs to tell them to put on the steak, that way it all comes out at an ideal temp at he same time. The expediter/expo helps the point make sure the right sides are on the plate, that the plate looks presentable, and gets the plates to the right seats on the right table in a timely manner. If you're always asking for something to be heated up, they are obviously cooking everything at the same time, someone has an entree that takes longer to cook than yours so your food is sitting in the 'window' under a heat lamp (or not, if it is cold) waiting for the rest of the table.
Maybe in some restaurants, but I have never seen this in any of he restaurants I have worked in. The salads and entrees print at their respective stations at the same time and the cooks make them as soon as they see them (or as soon as they can get to them) and its the expo or point chef job to make sure they're being done in a timely manner. In this case often the salad will be made quickly and will sit in the window (no heat) until the steak is done.
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Post by Amy on Aug 28, 2015 13:51:54 GMT
Maybe the are wacky there, AmeliaBloomer , because every time I order spinach ravioli there, I have to ask them to heat it up when it arrives at the table. I've noticed the ravioli dishes tend to get cold very easily. I solved that problem by asking for the dish to be put on a hot plate - it helps keep food hot longer. Might want to try asking for hot plate.
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Post by MerryMom on Aug 28, 2015 15:14:58 GMT
I worked in restaurants and it was the job of the expeditor. On slow nights, we did not have an expeditor and it was the job of the grill cook or whomever was the main cook to call out the orders to other stations to have the food items finished at the same time. This is for the entree or main meal. The cooks time the orders.
It is the job of the server to get salads, apps, soups, desserts called in to the proper station or prepare it himself or herself.
I worked as an expeditor and it is a very difficult job.
If the customer wants the app as the entree, the server notes that on paper order or in the computer.
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Post by perumbula on Aug 28, 2015 16:50:51 GMT
Many, many years ago, when I worked a restaurant kitchen, we had a cook whose assignment was to time the dishes. They would call out the dishes and get everything dropped on time and coordinated. Granted it was an Italian chain so everything was made so it all took pretty much the same time to prepare. Made the job a bit easier to coordinate. That person coordinated, called out the orders, and did final prep of the plates. I don't think we called them the expediter though. Each line cook job had it's own title, and I can't remember what that one was. I started as the grill cook and was training in the main line when I left. The servers said I made the plates pretty. the servers did have to time the apps and mains though. it was their job to figure out how to space those out. It makes no sense to have them space the entree orders, though. they aren't in the kitchen. they have no idea how fast the line is moving at that time. They don't even know how long it takes to make a particular dish. How can they do a good job timing the dishes? that's just crazy.
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