happymomma
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Aug 6, 2014 23:57:56 GMT
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Post by happymomma on Aug 31, 2015 19:50:57 GMT
Good question. Maybe we need to stop making it so easy to NOT work.
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Post by Zee on Aug 31, 2015 19:55:01 GMT
I'm not buying that there are dozens of schools with 0% literacy...but that's beside the point, because if there was a easy answer to these problems, they'd be solved by now.
Troubles of the poor are nothing new. Wherever there is poverty, there will be criminal activity. That's not new (think back all through history in all parts of the world). What is new is easier access to deadly weapons and the huge array of things money can buy, and tv and movies to glamorize to a certain extent that lifestyle.
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 31, 2015 20:04:57 GMT
This is such a multi-faceted and complex problem, that there is not just an individual solution for, but multiple solutions for each variable in the scenario. I would divide it first by poverty issues, and criminal issues.
Poverty issues, is generational, and complex on its own, you have cultural barriers that actually denigrate success, and you have physical barriers such as location to good jobs, and educations barriers such as access and drive for college or vocational schools. This all on top of the financial barriers faced daily.
In terms of Gangs and Drugs and violence...you have several factors as well such as Drug use as a justice vs health department issue, prohibition being a breeding ground for gangs and violence. Destitution fueled anger and outlet and lashing out.
These are just the tip of the iceberg. If you want to lower drug use and gang violence one of the first steps is to decriminalize drug use.
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Post by Drew on Aug 31, 2015 20:23:39 GMT
Just a side note to what you were saying... my sister is the Registered Nurse for an inner city elementary school. The children receive a free breakfast in their classrooms every morning along with free snacks and lunch. Every Friday they receive a small box of food designed to get them through the weekend.
I talked to her on Friday, school had been in session for 1 week. Her week was alarming. She had to call CPS on two occasions and the police on six occasions (mostly to have the police go to the home of parents who refused to pick up their sick child).
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Post by dulcemama on Aug 31, 2015 20:27:09 GMT
Agree 110% with Jonda.
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Post by Zee on Aug 31, 2015 20:31:30 GMT
There are hundreds of MPS schools and at least 10 have a 0% literacy rate. www.jsonline.com/news/education/94449649.html I don't pay for the newspaper so you can find the story on JS online and get 1o free articles. But this is the link. MPS uses 17 specific reading programs. Maybe I missed it, but nowhere in that article did I see schools with 0% literacy listed. As in, literally not one of the students can read. I did see lots of underperformance. As jonda mentioned, some of that can be blamed on a sort of shaming against learning that runs deep in the community. It's not just black students, but it is very common in black communities and it's a shame. I hope this mindset will change over time. Too much "keepin' it real--real stupid", to quite Chris Rock. And fwiw I saw plenty of stupid white folks with that same attitude at my son's former high school.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 31, 2015 20:48:44 GMT
There are hundreds of MPS schools and at least 10 have a 0% literacy rate. www.jsonline.com/news/education/94449649.html I don't pay for the newspaper so you can find the story on JS online and get 1o free articles. But this is the link. MPS uses 17 specific reading programs. I read the article and I don't see any reference to 0% literacy rate. I see that about 60% of the students are reading in the below basic level which is alarming. A 0% literacy rate sounds highly unlikely to me. But that is not really the issue. Clearly MPS schools are grossly underperforming, and if the funding is $16,000K per student that is a lot higher than the national average which I think is closer to $11K. Here in NC we get about 7K per student. I worked in the Kansas City MO school district when it was undergoing a massive court ordered desegregation plan. Many of my high school students were functionally illiterate. They could get by, but they could not read anything close to a high school text. We had drugs, guns, and massive violence in the schools. As Jonda stated it is not a simple answer. There is no one size fits all answer or we ( as a nation) would be doing it. In my experience the students who were able to over come abject poverty, and pretty horrible education were those who had someone to believe in them. They were often surrounded by negative influences, and felt pulled in two directions. Those who were able to over come the awful circumstances were usually the ones who had someone at home who really believed in them, and something at school to engage them. In my opinion the answer is to get the parents involved in their child's education, and that starts at a young age. Make schools a place where parents are welcome, and feel like they are working together. I think middle school is the key. That is when kids generally make a choice, if parents feel like they are working with the schools to help their child, more kids will be able to survive. I also think that a Zero tolerance policy is a bad idea. But honestly what the alternative is, I am not sure. Didn't really mean to write a novel. Issues I am passionate about.
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georgiapea
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Jun 27, 2014 18:02:10 GMT
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Post by georgiapea on Aug 31, 2015 20:51:07 GMT
OP, what do all those poorly educated people do with their lives? Have they no motivation to excel? To be part of those who shape the future? I would think the sheer size of Milwaukee would provide all the advantages one could hope for.
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Loydene
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Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Jul 8, 2014 16:31:47 GMT
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Post by Loydene on Aug 31, 2015 22:21:25 GMT
Decriminalize drug use Treat drug use as a medical condition TAX the SHIT out of "recreational" drugs Educate the population as to the negative effects of drug use - just like cigarettes Change the minimum sentencing requirements
For a start
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Peamac
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Jun 26, 2014 0:09:18 GMT
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Post by Peamac on Aug 31, 2015 23:03:17 GMT
$16,000 per student? That's twice the amount schools get per student here in CO!
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