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Post by kimpossible on Sept 1, 2015 23:48:50 GMT
I'm a spiritual person, I have my beliefs, I love a great self help/motivating talk person. However, something just isn't sitting right. It was posted on here the Dr. Wayne Dyer passed away. He is very well known for his books, motivating seminars, etc. I've seen many quotes by him that were good. He told all that he had been diagnosed with leukemia. I suspect a lot of folks (including me) thought that was the cause of his death. Here is the Facebook post from Hay House (his publisher) We just received the coroner's report of Dr. Wayne W. Dyer death and the report indicated that he did not have a trace of leukemia in his body. For those of you who have been listening to his talks or reading his recent books you know that he was diagnosed with leukemia but felt he was able to eliminate it from his body and this report confirms what he already knew. Wayne's saying of Miracles Come in Moments. Be Ready and Willing. Really was true for him and can be true for you. Or the other thing he said all the time Be Realistic, Expect Miracles His official cause of death was from coronary heart disease (heart attack).
Did he have leukemia? Was he cured?
So, what do you think? A Miracle? Or...a Hoax?
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Post by lesley on Sept 2, 2015 0:10:17 GMT
I don't know who he is, but saw the other post about his death. I automatically think hoax in these cases, and then wait to be proved wrong.  |
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Post by disneypal on Sept 2, 2015 0:15:57 GMT
I believe miracles can happen, but of course I don't think the truth will be known for sure about this.
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Post by eventhinker on Sept 2, 2015 0:17:06 GMT
Of course what difference did it make if he didn't have leukemia? He's still gone...
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Post by yoursweetwhimsy on Sept 2, 2015 0:25:08 GMT
I admit to not reading any of his books or seen him other than on Oprah. What struck me was the fact that he was married and divorced three times. If you are that zen in real life, why can't you make a marriage work? I can't help but think that it discounts your message. Maybe part of his message was how to avoid that after learning the hard way, I don't know. It's kind of like the Josh Duggar thing, if your going to preach it, you need to live it, IMO.
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Post by kimpossible on Sept 2, 2015 0:31:40 GMT
Well, I can't judge him on his personal life and relationships. I know he offered a lot of support to a lot of people.
What I don't like is if you share a story (medical, tragedy, or other) to gain sympathy, empathy or somehow get rewarded for it - and then have it not be true.
I want to think the best in this situation. But perhaps with all the stories hitting the media I'm suspect.
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Post by nurseypants on Sept 2, 2015 0:35:07 GMT
if he was in remission from leukemia, then it was eliminated, for all intents and purposes. If the claim is that he just fell into remission with no medical treatment, that would be a hoax and pretty irresponsible.
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Post by nibris on Oct 20, 2015 23:39:04 GMT
There's no evidence whatsoever that Wayne Dyer was cured of Leukemia or that an autopsy determined that his body was free of the disease at the time of his death--- other than that from one of his daughters and the publishing company, both currently vested in profiting from association to his name and works, ongoing after his death.
[and this autopsy--the results of which, lab tests, etc... supposedly determined and disclosed the very next day after his death???]
Anyone who saw Wayne Dyer in the last two years, at lectures, in Lahaina, or other public places could clearly see that his health was declining drastically. He could barely walk or stand anymore, his voice and look clearly indicative of failing health. Excluding his heavy make-up enhanced & photoshopped publicity pictures, Wayne Dyer, in person, literally looked like a corpse. Those suggesting that he fully recovered from his illness and the toll it took on his body are in denial, delusion, if not outright fraudulent and irresponsible considering the health implication to others who believe the face value of his alleged cure.
Many of Wayne's teachings and theories were very helpful to me and many others that I know, including those regarding healthcare, and there is evidence that many of the practices regarding that and other issues he wrote and lectured about have successful results to varying degrees. However, Wayne Dyer did not practice what he preached.
In his life, Wayne Dyer struggled with drug and alcohol abuse, cancer, heart condition, leukemia--- but Wayne Dyer died of greed.
He died because he put commercial motivations before his own health care. When his body and mind needed rest and more peaceful, spiritual time that could have aided in and gave credence to "Spiritual Solution" treatments to his illnesses and conditions, Wayne Dyer chose instead to practice casual spirituality; hobbyist spirituality. Making spirituality, living the Dao and the nature of life related to those concepts, indeed "part" of his life, but not the way of his life. Wayne Dyer's commercial pursuits came first and the benefits to be had from a life of spirituality, peacefulness, stillness, being (vs doing, doing, doing) were realized by Wayne Dyer only when they did not interfere with the commercial\material\ego way of life.
My apologies for such a long post. I'm deeply saddened by his death but much more disappointed by the atmosphere of deception present in describing his life and passing
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Post by psiluvu on Oct 20, 2015 23:45:26 GMT
Sounds to me like the publisher wants to sell a bunch more books.
I am not really sure who he is but whether he had leukemia or not seems secondary to that publishers excerpt. It seems to me like the publisher is saying he had leukemia, and now he doesn't, read his books to find out how he did that. |
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Post by scrapsotime on Oct 20, 2015 23:52:38 GMT
Can we all say peatlejuice of a sort?
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 21, 2015 1:03:29 GMT
Wayne Dyer is the same type of huckster as Dr. Phil. Those types will always have a following of devotees that gobble up their sales pitch.
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Post by georgiapea on Oct 21, 2015 1:05:18 GMT
Peatlejuice, Peatlejuice. Nibris Peatlejuice!
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 21, 2015 1:08:25 GMT
There's no evidence whatsoever that Wayne Dyer was cured of Leukemia or that an autopsy determined that his body was free of the disease at the time of his death--- other than that from one of his daughters and the publishing company, both currently vested in profiting from association to his name and works, ongoing after his death. [and this autopsy--the results of which, lab tests, etc... supposedly determined and disclosed the very next day after his death???] Anyone who saw Wayne Dyer in the last two years, at lectures, in Lahaina, or other public places could clearly see that his health was declining drastically. He could barely walk or stand anymore, his voice and look clearly indicative of failing health. Excluding his heavy make-up enhanced & photoshopped publicity pictures, Wayne Dyer, in person, literally looked like a corpse. Those suggesting that he fully recovered from his illness and the toll it took on his body are in denial, delusion, if not outright fraudulent and irresponsible considering the health implication to others who believe the face value of his alleged cure. Many of Wayne's teachings and theories were very helpful to me and many others that I know, including those regarding healthcare, and there is evidence that many of the practices regarding that and other issues he wrote and lectured about have successful results to varying degrees. However, Wayne Dyer did not practice what he preached. In his life, Wayne Dyer struggled with drug and alcohol abuse, cancer, heart condition, leukemia--- but Wayne Dyer died of greed. He died because he put commercial motivations before his own health care. When his body and mind needed rest and more peaceful, spiritual time that could have aided in and gave credence to "Spiritual Solution" treatments to his illnesses and conditions, Wayne Dyer chose instead to practice casual spirituality; hobbyist spirituality. Making spirituality, living the Dao and the nature of life related to those concepts, indeed "part" of his life, but not the way of his life. Wayne Dyer's commercial pursuits came first and the benefits to be had from a life of spirituality, peacefulness, stillness, being (vs doing, doing, doing) were realized by Wayne Dyer only when they did not interfere with the commercial\material\ego way of life. My apologies for such a long post. I'm deeply saddened by his death but much more disappointed by the atmosphere of deception present in describing his life and passing You think he died of greed... I find that interesting.. I think that we will never know the truth. |
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Post by berty on Oct 21, 2015 4:46:21 GMT
I really know nothing about him, but I don't like that the publisher seems to be saying you can cure your cancer with zen-living. I believe it can be super helpful, but I think the company has a responsibility to remind the public to incorporate it with sound medical treatments.
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Post by katiekaty on Oct 21, 2015 14:54:53 GMT
If the man was so in tune with his body that he cured his leukemia, how come he didn't pick up on his heart disease and cure that also? Hoax!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 15:07:31 GMT
Having a nephew with leukemia (in remission but on chemo pills the rest of his life to have a higher % of staying in remission than reoccurrence) it kind of appalls me that anyone would claim healing honestly. And possibly keep those who have it from seeking treatment.
Yes, I do believe God can heal anything, but don't have enough faith in any person to believe them without seeing before (diagnosis) and after (same doctors saying it is gone) especially someone with a profit motivation in life. But then again I don't buy self-help books. I have bought some counseling type books but from real PhD's and MDs rather than circuit personalities like Phil, Oz, Oprah or this guy.
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