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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 6, 2015 15:45:11 GMT
I noticed on the other thread about teachers that substitutes having varying levels of requirements in order to sub...can you tell me what the requirements are for your area? Do the subs go through any kind of training before being allowed to go into classroom? I am just curious I guess. I have been strongly encouraged lately to sub, but it mostly because I am having trouble finding work. Everyone keeps telling me that I should try it because it is "easy" money. (I hardly believe that AT ALL.) I have zero experience, beyond being a room mom.  I do, however, have a BA in History. What would you say to someone like me? |
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Post by gsquaredmom on Sept 6, 2015 15:49:00 GMT
I noticed on the other thread about teachers that substitutes having varying levels of requirements in order to sub...can you tell me what the requirements are for your area? Do the subs go through any kind of training before being allowed to go into classroom? I am just curious I guess. I have been strongly encouraged lately to sub, but it mostly because I am having trouble finding work. Everyone keeps telling me that I should try it because it is "easy" money. (I hardly believe that AT ALL.) I have zero experience, beyond being a room mom. I do, however, have a BA in History. What would you say to someone like me? Try it, but know that where you sub can make your day easy or hell, and the pay generally sucks. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 15:49:13 GMT
I guess you'd have to like kids in large quantities to want to substitute.  I would never believe it's easy money. Give it a try if you like that kind of thing. No teacher certification is required in my area. Only 2 years of college. Teachers are in short supply in my area. Pay and requirements vary by district. Pay here sucks. You'd make more getting a temp job. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 15:49:25 GMT
As a teacher I strongly believe you need to have some experience and skills with classroom management in order to sub at elementary school. I taught for 15 years but now I just sub. I taught in a 1st grade class for two days in June. The teacher didn't leave enough work to keep the kids occupied for the first day so they were bored and started misbehaving. I totally ditched her plans and write my own fir the second day and it went much better. The teacher was grateful when she returned.
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Post by moodyblue on Sept 6, 2015 15:55:17 GMT
Many states only require a degree, doesn't matter what it's in.
I have seen a huge variety of subs during my career. Some are great and in high demand. Many of those are retired teachers, but some are not. Lots of newly certified people start out as subs until they get a teaching job.
I'm not one who would automatically discourage or look down on a sub without a teaching degree. I've seen good and bad in that scenario. We've had other types of employees who seem to be naturals at teaching and we have encouraged them to consider getting their degree.
From what I know of you on this message board, you might be a good fit for subbing. You could look into it seriously and see what's needed. Most places I know of require fingerprinting and a background check. Some areas have a basic training, but that will vary, so I can't speak to where you are.
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Post by katybee on Sept 6, 2015 15:59:02 GMT
60 college hours. Background check. Orientation. $75 per day.
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Post by peano on Sept 6, 2015 16:00:50 GMT
I have signed up to sub but haven't taken the plunge yet. Our district just requires you to have a bachelor's degree. They offer no training or prep. The only teaching I've ever done was teaching tennis to kids so I have absolutely no knowledge or experience with classroom management.
Our district pays $75 a day so I imagine based upon the class and the teacher's prep, it will either be an easy $75 or the the hardest $75 I ever earned.
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Post by Pahina722 on Sept 6, 2015 16:01:17 GMT
In my county, a bachelor's degree and some kind of training (after being hired) is required. The pay is a whopping $75 per day. Unless you want to go into teaching or are a retiree, I wouldn't recommend it. Good subs are in demand, but it is still a shit job. On the other hand, if you develop a good reputation, you will work pretty much every day, probably at the same school, and develop relationships with both teachers and students, making it far more pleasant.
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Post by leannec on Sept 6, 2015 16:08:18 GMT
Here in Calgary, I work for the public school board and I know that all subs need to have a Bachelor of Education ... I subbed a million years ago so I'm not sure what the pay is but I'm pretty sure it was good ... Canada seems to pay qualified teachers better  |
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Post by Merge on Sept 6, 2015 16:09:31 GMT
60 college hours. Background check. Orientation. $75 per day. I think ours get $80 per day but otherwise the same. If you have zero experience managing small people or adolescents in groups of 25 or more, I have to think substituting would be hell. It is FAR from easy money. |
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 6, 2015 16:12:41 GMT
They've changed the requirements since I subbed way back when. Not sure if they upped the ante or lowered it, lol.
You only have to have a HS education or... an equivalent. @@
Training consists of an 8 hour session that is offered four times a year. An hour is spent introducing you to the key players in the system, HR director, super, his secretaries, sub coordinator. An hour is spent eating (lunch and breakfast, not provided but you are expected to eat with everyone). An hour is spent on safety issues, one on confidentiality. One is spent on HR paperwork, one is PR crap about how awesome the system is and gives an overview of the different schools in the district. You get some time learning tricks that can translate to all classes, the district's philosophy on discipline and dress code expectations for staff.
I think it is a good thing to do if you want part-time work while your kids are at school. Ideally you work at their school. It is a good idea if you want to teach eventually. Gives you an idea of what goes on behind the scenes and gets your foot in the door.
If you do it, keep a couple of things in mind: First, you are not the teacher. You are a sub. Follow the teacher's plans. Don't add or subtract from them. If you know something awesome about the day's topic that you just know will get the kids excited, keep it to yourself. You have no idea whether or not the teacher is planning a way to introduce that information later. Your desire for a "light bulb moment" doesn't trump the teacher's plans. If you run out of time to do everything, that's fine. Leave a note for the teacher, explaining why. I ALWAYS over plan so my subs aren't left with nothing to do. Because we all know that idleness is the Devil's playground! Second, stay out of cabinets and drawers. Don't offer up supplies for a really neat project you just thought of. Chances are the teacher spent her own money on those supplies and has no desire to replenish what you used. I was guilty of that when I subbed and didn't realize how frustrating it could be until I knew where those supplies came from.
Which leads to the next point - don't assume that you know what is going on behind the scenes just from subbing. You have a much better idea than the average Joe, but you've just got a glimpse.
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Post by melissa on Sept 6, 2015 16:13:27 GMT
In NJ, you need 60 college credits, a background check and a substitute teaching license. The license currently costs $125. Pay is generally $90 a day in most area districts, but can go up to around $259 a day for long term assignments.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 6, 2015 16:14:36 GMT
In colorado, you need a bachelor's degree and then apply for a sub license. Many districts have a one or two day training at the beginning of the year, but otherwise just throw you into the classroom
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 16:24:16 GMT
As far as I can tell, subs in Oregon are required to be licensed teachers.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 6, 2015 16:24:38 GMT
I think where you sub matters. Some sxhools, districts, classes are rougher than others.
Here's my experience with subs:
In a sped room with paras in the room full time: I think my subs had it easy because my paras were expected to run the classroom.
Math high school classes: semi easy beacsue the teachers know you probably can't teach or help with algebra 2. If you can, and they find out, you'll be requested.
Band and foreign language subs, same thing.
I've never taught or subbed at the middle school level. I had few problems in elementary and few in the high school I work at.
You know your area. You know where you wouldn't have wanted your kids to go. Start with the good schools, they often have better classroom management to start with, so are easier to sub. Work your way up to the harder schools and you may find you like them more.
Finally, if you are close, sign up for different districts. My small district pays less than the city near by, but the subs would rather come to us because the students and atmosphere are better.
Do not discount special ed. It sounds scary, but often isn't and even if you don't like one sped class, don't turn down jobs in others. It may turn out that you find sone you like.
Also, you could also take para jobs. They don't pay as much, but if you won't be worki ng that day anyway, it gives you some mkney
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Post by katybee on Sept 6, 2015 16:32:16 GMT
The pay and requirements for long-term subs in my district is much higher-- I *think* you might have to have a teaching certificate. But then again--you will have all of the teacher duties, including planning, meetings, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 16:33:21 GMT
I also wanted to add 2 of my sisters have bachelors degrees (not in education) and live in 2 different states. They were hired as teachers and have to complete more schooling to get their teacher certification (taking additional college classes, pass tests, going to conferences). I don't know the specifics, but with 1 sister I think it was within 2 years she had to finish everything.
One sister now has her teaching degree and the other is starting the process this year.
I don't know if Florida offers something like this, but it would be a way to get your foot in the door.
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Post by SabrinaM on Sept 6, 2015 16:45:58 GMT
I sub 4-5 days per week between 2 schools. Some days I could be in 3 different classrooms if I were a clone.  I'm good at my job and am highly sought after. I have been in the classroom in some capacity since I was 16. I took a break when I had my children. That being said, it's far from "easy" if you have poor classroom management or can't think fast on your feet. I make less than minimum wage. But, I love my job and it allows me to be home when my teen/preteen are home. |
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Post by SabrinaM on Sept 6, 2015 16:48:51 GMT
I also wanted to add 2 of my sisters have bachelors degrees (not in education) and live in 2 different states. They were hired as teachers and have to complete more schooling to get their teacher certification (taking additional college classes, pass tests, going to conferences). I don't know the specifics, but with 1 sister I think it was within 2 years she had to finish everything. One sister now has her teaching degree and the other is starting the process this year. I don't know if Florida offers something like this, but it would be a way to get your foot in the door. My sister is in central Florida and got her degree this way. She's on her 5th year teaching and loves it! |
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 6, 2015 16:54:49 GMT
I think where you sub matters. Some sxhools, districts, classes are rougher than others. Here's my experience with subs: In a sped room with paras in the room full time: I think my subs had it easy because my paras were expected to run the classroom. Math high school classes: semi easy beacsue the teachers know you probably can't teach or help with algebra 2. If you can, and they find out, you'll be requested. Band and foreign language subs, same thing. I've never taught or subbed at the middle school level. I had few problems in elementary and few in the high school I work at. You know your area. You know where you wouldn't have wanted your kids to go. Start with the good schools, they often have better classroom management to start with, so are easier to sub. Work your way up to the harder schools and you may find you like them more. Finally, if you are close, sign up for different districts. My small district pays less than the city near by, but the subs would rather come to us because the students and atmosphere are better. Do not discount special ed. It sounds scary, but often isn't and even if you don't like one sped class, don't turn down jobs in others. It may turn out that you find sone you like. Also, you could also take para jobs. They don't pay as much, but if you won't be worki ng that day anyway, it gives you some mkney Adding.. please, please, please don't "teach" anything in my class either. Too many people think they know my subject when they don't. They watch NOVA or MythBusters and want to use that knowledge to "teach" my class and it is a disaster. Just keep my kids alive. Give them the work I've left out, write me notes about anything that was confusing and let the kids work on their own. I promise I won't give them work that they cannot do on their own, despite what they tell you. If I'm wrong, I'll fix my mistake the next day. Much easier than un-teaching something that was incorrect -- my note to the general pool of subs out there in the universe.
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 6, 2015 17:02:50 GMT
I also wanted to add 2 of my sisters have bachelors degrees (not in education) and live in 2 different states. They were hired as teachers and have to complete more schooling to get their teacher certification (taking additional college classes, pass tests, going to conferences). I don't know the specifics, but with 1 sister I think it was within 2 years she had to finish everything. One sister now has her teaching degree and the other is starting the process this year. I don't know if Florida offers something like this, but it would be a way to get your foot in the door. that's called Lateral Entry here. A reasonable method of certification.
The problem is...these teachers rely A LOT on experienced teachers. They aren't prepared for classroom management, paperwork, the endless acronyms used in education, etc. They cannot make it without a serious investment of time from other teachers. In my state, these teachers are becoming more common as newer teachers are valued more than experienced teachers (they're cheaper). Teachers by nature want to teach, even if it means teaching colleagues. So the General Assembly throws these cheaper teachers in (because no one wants to invest $$ into certification for the little pay they'll receive back) and rely upon the helpfulness of veterans who are getting crapped upon.
Last year, after a really bad summer with our state government, I said I wouldn't help a single new teacher. By helping I'm only reinforcing the idea that hiring cheap, inexperienced teachers is the way to go. If I make it easier for the new ones, I prove the buttholes in legislation correct - that new teachers are just as good as experienced ones. If the new ones flounder then maybe our "whining" will be heard.
That lasted two weeks. I can't let those teachers' kids suffer and it just isn't a nice thing to do to the newbies that are trying to help kids too.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 6, 2015 17:15:42 GMT
In our district, you need a Bachelor's degree. I don't think they have to take any classes. I do know that some subs have easy days because they don't do what is asked of them. I never planned on my class fully understanding any concepts taught or retaught that day because I never knew if a licensed teacher was going to sub for me. I also had fifth grade and a lot of subs didn't want that grade in the first place. Subbing is rough. I never thought it was east money.
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 6, 2015 17:23:08 GMT
Adding.. please, please, please don't "teach" anything in my class either. Too many people think they know my subject when they don't. They watch NOVA or MythBusters and want to use that knowledge to "teach" my class and it is a disaster. Just keep my kids alive. Give them the work I've left out, write me notes about anything that was confusing and let the kids work on their own. I promise I won't give them work that they cannot do on their own, despite what they tell you. If I'm wrong, I'll fix my mistake the next day. Much easier than un-teaching something that was incorrect  -- my note to the general pool of subs out there in the universe.
I figured it wouldn't be easy, and frankly, it isn't something I am terribly interested in doing. It just that I am having trouble finding work and my family is tired of hearing me moan about it and are pushing me in this direction because in as much as I don't want to do it, I have been told by everyone (including the teachers who used to leave me in charge when I was room mom) that I *should* be teaching. Not sure where that comes from really. Anyway, I wanted to ask this...what if you KNOW the material? Like, for example, I have a history degree and would have a really hard time NOT answering questions about social studies or history. Some subject areas I know a lot about and you wouldn't have to unteach anything-you still wouldn't want me to answer questions? Now math? Don't put me in a math class. I couldn't help beyond 'write your name on the paper." |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 17:23:49 GMT
I also wanted to add 2 of my sisters have bachelors degrees (not in education) and live in 2 different states. They were hired as teachers and have to complete more schooling to get their teacher certification (taking additional college classes, pass tests, going to conferences). I don't know the specifics, but with 1 sister I think it was within 2 years she had to finish everything. One sister now has her teaching degree and the other is starting the process this year. I don't know if Florida offers something like this, but it would be a way to get your foot in the door. that's called Lateral Entry here. A reasonable method of certification.
The problem is...these teachers rely A LOT on experienced teachers. They aren't prepared for classroom management, paperwork, the endless acronyms used in education, etc. They cannot make it without a serious investment of time from other teachers. In my state, these teachers are becoming more common as newer teachers are valued more than experienced teachers (they're cheaper). Teachers by nature want to teach, even if it means teaching colleagues. So the General Assembly throws these cheaper teachers in (because no one wants to invest $$ into certification for the little pay they'll receive back) and rely upon the helpfulness of veterans who are getting crapped upon.
Last year, after a really bad summer with our state government, I said I wouldn't help a single new teacher. By helping I'm only reinforcing the idea that hiring cheap, inexperienced teachers is the way to go. If I make it easier for the new ones, I prove the buttholes in legislation correct - that new teachers are just as good as experienced ones. If the new ones flounder then maybe our "whining" will be heard.
That lasted two weeks. I can't let those teachers' kids suffer and it just isn't a nice thing to do to the newbies that are trying to help kids too.
It's not that way in every state. I'm sorry you've had a bad experience with the program. One of my sisters lives in a very rural area. There was literally no one who applied for the position. There would not have been a teacher. She is *far* from incompetent. |
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 6, 2015 17:47:54 GMT
Adding.. please, please, please don't "teach" anything in my class either. Too many people think they know my subject when they don't. They watch NOVA or MythBusters and want to use that knowledge to "teach" my class and it is a disaster. Just keep my kids alive. Give them the work I've left out, write me notes about anything that was confusing and let the kids work on their own. I promise I won't give them work that they cannot do on their own, despite what they tell you. If I'm wrong, I'll fix my mistake the next day. Much easier than un-teaching something that was incorrect -- my note to the general pool of subs out there in the universe.
I figured it wouldn't be easy, and frankly, it isn't something I am terribly interested in doing. It just that I am having trouble finding work and my family is tired of hearing me moan about it and are pushing me in this direction because in as much as I don't want to do it, I have been told by everyone (including the teachers who used to leave me in charge when I was room mom) that I *should* be teaching. Not sure where that comes from really. Anyway, I wanted to ask this...what if you KNOW the material? Like, for example, I have a history degree and would have a really hard time NOT answering questions about social studies or history. Some subject areas I know a lot about and you wouldn't have to unteach anything-you still wouldn't want me to answer questions? Now math? Don't put me in a math class. I couldn't help beyond 'write your name on the paper." Honestly? No, I would not want you to answer questions. The questions you should answer would be about directions for the assignment. Students aren't going to ask you questions about content because they assume you don't know the content. Don't offer up any information. The problem is, I don't *know you know the content. I know you have a degree, but that doesn't mean you know the content. I've learned so much more about my content once I started teaching it. And I have an advanced degree in the subject! But I would have sworn that I knew my stuff before I ever became a teacher. Another problem is that you don't know where to stop with the information you provide. You might share info that I want my students to figure out on their own during next week's lab or homework assignment. You might ruin my "light bulb moment" by experiencing it yourself. You don't know what the state curriculum says I have to teach and you might end up confusing my students. There are some things I have to teach incorrectly because I'm in the baby steps of information and we build on the knowledge slowly. I teach the Bohr model even though I know it isn't the most accurate representation of what actually exists in atoms. Now, I qualify my teachings with "you'll see how this isn't 100% correct later but we'll use this as a starting point." But if you came in and said "Oh my, your teacher is teaching you about the Bohr model? Oh dear, there's so many things wrong with that. Let me tell you what really happens..." you'll have confused my students, taken up time that I don't have to waste and made me look like an idiot.
I once decided that I would "help" some students in third grade that were struggling with reading a clock. I went off-script to teach them myself. I messed up the teacher's plans. I confused students that were doing just fine but overheard me, I jumped ahead by two day's time and I frustrated the ones that were already lost. I didn't know her students, I didn't know the curriculum but I know how to read a clock! I thought I'd be just fine. I'd be A TEACHER. No, I was a jerk that caused problems.
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 6, 2015 17:49:41 GMT
that's called Lateral Entry here. A reasonable method of certification.
The problem is...these teachers rely A LOT on experienced teachers. They aren't prepared for classroom management, paperwork, the endless acronyms used in education, etc. They cannot make it without a serious investment of time from other teachers. In my state, these teachers are becoming more common as newer teachers are valued more than experienced teachers (they're cheaper). Teachers by nature want to teach, even if it means teaching colleagues. So the General Assembly throws these cheaper teachers in (because no one wants to invest $$ into certification for the little pay they'll receive back) and rely upon the helpfulness of veterans who are getting crapped upon.
Last year, after a really bad summer with our state government, I said I wouldn't help a single new teacher. By helping I'm only reinforcing the idea that hiring cheap, inexperienced teachers is the way to go. If I make it easier for the new ones, I prove the buttholes in legislation correct - that new teachers are just as good as experienced ones. If the new ones flounder then maybe our "whining" will be heard.
That lasted two weeks. I can't let those teachers' kids suffer and it just isn't a nice thing to do to the newbies that are trying to help kids too.
It's not that way in every state. I'm sorry you've had a bad experience with the program. One of my sisters lives in a very rural area. There was literally no one who applied for the position. There would not have been a teacher. She is *far* from incompetent. I'm not saying she was incompetent. But I'm sure she relied on the kindness of others for a while. She probably doesn't even realize how much help she had until she's had to provide it.
You're right though - that's how we get lateral entry teachers. Because there isn't anyone else to fill the position. And that's going to continue to happen as respect and pay for teachers plummet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 19:38:03 GMT
My df who is a retired nurse is doing this in secondary schools and she LOVES it. She picks out what and when she wants to work. She does say the money is not good, though, but it doesn't matter to her.
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 6, 2015 19:58:59 GMT
In my school district (I don't think it's a state thing, I think it goes by school district only) you need a certain number of college credits to sub for an assistant and a 4-year degree to sub for a teacher. Absolutely no training is provided but if you have no teaching experience in this country then you have to start as an assistant until the sub office guy can ask around and see if you should be put up to teacher. My teaching experience with kids is all overseas so I started as an assistant. I did assistant from March-June two years ago, then started asking the sub guy if he would put me up to full teacher. He's a one-man show at the ed office (busy in other words) so he kept putting me off. I started that next September as an assistant. One day I was in a kindergarten at my favorite school (the one where my kids went, where lots of teachers know me still) and in came one of the 3rd grade teachers (one who both of my kids had) asking if I could sub for her the next day. I said I couldn't, sorry, because I still wasn't put up to full teacher. She said "still???!!" and marched out of the room. Two hours later as I was eating my lunch I got an email from the sub office to say I was put up to full teacher. hahaha Turns out the 3rd grade teacher turned the office admin person loose on the sub office and she read him the riot act about how "we are desperate for good subs" etc. etc. hahaha So now I'm a full teacher. I only do elementary and prefer K-3 if I can choose, except for the middle school French teacher (who my dd had) because I speak French and she knows she can count on me to actually do a lesson. Imagine the kids' shock the first day I walked in there. lol. They were expecting a movie and not a sub who could speak French. I also sub for reading teachers which I love. These are the ones who do "push-in" (i.e., go into various classes to take reading groups) and "pull-out" (taking small groups who are struggling and working with them in another room). I enjoy this because I might see three or four grades in one day. I don't do high school. No thank you. ugh. I got a reputation very quickly for being a good sub, because I showed up on time, I followed the plans that were left for me, I stayed until all kids were on buses or picked up (there was a sub in 1st grade who just left at 3:10 because that's the end of the day, leaving six kids alone in the classroom!  ), I don't leave the room a mess, and I report back to the teacher. Really that's all they want, and I was totally shocked to hear stories of how some subs can't seem to manage that much. Oh, and also I love kids, especially the littlest ones.  I enjoy subbing because I can work or not. I could work every day if I want, but if it's been a long week I can take a day off. I can do half-days or full days. I can stick to just one or two schools (which is what I do now, except I'll go to others for those reading jobs). And at the end of the day you go home and the job is done. I make $110/day I think. I'd have to look it up, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is. Oh and to be a long-term sub here you do need to be certified in that area, which I am not. I did have one ESL teacher ask me to sub for her while she was on maternity leave, and I could have done that job well because that's what I taught overseas (well there it was EFL, but I know enough about the curriculum here to be able to do that). But no certification, so no sub job. Which is just as well really, because they need to have a way to evaluate people and being a long-term sub is quite different from short-term because you have to write lesson plans. Anyway, I love it, and I think it's an excellent part-time job (if you don't need benefits, which thankfully I do not because of my dh's job). |
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Post by doesitmatter on Sept 6, 2015 20:00:56 GMT
Here you need an AA degree and I think here is a basic exam? It's $165.00 to apply and they usually run 6-8 for approval.
The pay is $80 per pay.
SInce we are rural and spread out you could easily drive 120 miles round trip for your sub slot.
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 6, 2015 20:02:33 GMT
Here you need an AA degree and I think here is a basic exam? It's $165.00 to apply and they usually run 6-8 for approval. The pay is $80 per pay. SInce we are rural and spread out you could easily drive 120 miles round trip for your sub slot. Wow, that's a lot of driving. I should have mentioned in my post that I walk three blocks to my favorite school, and drive ten minutes to my second-favorite. That makes a huge difference in my attitude. I wouldn't like to drive 120 miles round trip! |
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I do, however, have a BA in History.
I would never believe it's easy money. Give it a try if you like that kind of thing.
I'm good at my job and am highly sought after. I have been in the classroom in some capacity since I was 16. I took a break when I had my children.
), I don't leave the room a mess, and I report back to the teacher. Really that's all they want, and I was totally shocked to hear stories of how some subs can't seem to manage that much. Oh, and also I love kids, especially the littlest ones. 
