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Post by mvavw on Sept 19, 2015 17:19:07 GMT
I'm looking for some tips and tricks for teaching how to summarize.
Some background info:
My daughter is in my 9th grade, in honors classes, and has been struggling with this skill since it was introduced back in elementary school. She has Asperger's which is making it very hard- she sees all the details as important and has a hard time with finding main ideas. She has no problems with comprehension or analysis (except when analyzing the motivation of a character), her vocabulary is excellent, and she reads at a college level.
What I have been doing is having her verbally explain what she has read, but even then, she gets sidetracked by details.
any tips would be appreciated
Thanks!
Maria
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Post by brandy327 on Sept 19, 2015 17:28:37 GMT
I'd also love to hear any tips. My 12yo ds is on the spectrum and struggles HUGELY with summarizing. And he has a social studies paper on 9/11 that we have to work on tomorrow.
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Post by RosieKat on Sept 19, 2015 18:47:17 GMT
I've sometimes wondered if I would have been diagnosed with Asperger's (mild) as a child, if I were a kid today. And that is interesting, as I always found all the details important when we had to pick out the main facts, etc.!
DD is younger and was diagnosed with PDD-NOS (when that was still a diagnosis). She has difficulty with this as well, but my main approach has been what you said, having her verbally describe it. "In 3 sentences, what happened?" Maybe try sticking to the standard journalistic approach of who/what/where/when/how/why, and then turning it into a paragraph or whatever format she is supposed to use?
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Post by christine58 on Sept 19, 2015 19:00:40 GMT
I bet there are some graphic organizers on teacherspayteachers that might help. If they (kids) have a limited amount of lines etc to summarize maybe that would help??
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Post by mvavw on Sept 19, 2015 19:03:19 GMT
Ugh, my tablet does NOT like me using the quote feature lol!
Thanks for the who/what... approach suggestion, it's straightforward enough that it should definitely help.
Please keep your ideas coming!
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Sept 19, 2015 19:16:55 GMT
If time isn't an issue. Have her read it once and then do something else for awhile--- come back and tell you what was said. It might clear out her short -term memory a bit and get rid of the minutia.
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Post by mvavw on Sept 19, 2015 19:20:02 GMT
I love the idea of graphic organizers, but my dd gets frustrated by them because she can't figure out the "correct" thing to fill in, especially in generic organizers. I can (and will) try to find specific graphic organizers for some of the things she is reading which may give her an example of how to organize her ideas. Thanks! It's so frustrating because this is a skill that's so hard for her to grasp, and I've been working with her for years 8n it. Usually, she'll just lose points in assignments that require her to summarize, but I can see that it is going to be harder for her to compensate for as time goes on. I hoped that it would click by now 
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 19:26:02 GMT
Would asking her something like "Does this point change the meaning of the story?" help her scrutinize what is a vital component versus what is detail?
If the story is about a little girl and a basket of kittens, it doesn't change the meaning of the story if the little girl has pigtails, or if the kittens are grey or orange. It would change the meaning of the story if the little girl had a basket of apples.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 19:26:04 GMT
How does she do with telling the main idea of the story? That's the first step to summarizing. You need to help her break down all that information into chunks.
Write the following for her:
What was the main idea? _____________________ What important things did the author say about the main idea? _______________ _______________ _______________
Do that for each paragraph, page or section. Then show her how to group all of those by the most important.
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Post by mvavw on Sept 19, 2015 21:06:09 GMT
How does she do with telling the main idea of the story? That's the first step to summarizing. You need to help her break down all that information into chunks. Write the following for her: What was the main idea? _____________________ What important things did the author say about the main idea? _______________ _______________ _______________ Do that for each paragraph, page or section. Then show her how to group all of those by the most important. I think that's her biggest problem- generalizing to the main idea. She assigns equal importance to every idea. Assignments that ask her to do what you just suggest end with her frustrated (and used to end in tears). Which would make sense as to why she can't summarize, lol. I really appreciate everyone's ideas- they are all helping to get tonthe bottommofnthe issue!
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Post by mvavw on Sept 19, 2015 21:07:33 GMT
Would asking her something like "Does this point change the meaning of the story?" help her scrutinize what is a vital component versus what is detail? If the story is about a little girl and a basket of kittens, it doesn't change the meaning of the story if the little girl has pigtails, or if the kittens are grey or orange. It would change the meaning of the story if the little girl had a basket of apples. That's a great question to ask, thanks!
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Sept 19, 2015 21:28:39 GMT
On main idea: remember that main idea is usually the first sentence of a paragraph and it should be the topic plus the attitude the author has toward the topic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 21:38:07 GMT
How does she do with telling the main idea of the story? That's the first step to summarizing. You need to help her break down all that information into chunks. Write the following for her: What was the main idea? _____________________ What important things did the author say about the main idea? _______________ _______________ _______________ Do that for each paragraph, page or section. Then show her how to group all of those by the most important. I think that's her biggest problem- generalizing to the main idea. She assigns equal importance to every idea. Assignments that ask her to do what you just suggest end with her frustrated (and used to end in tears). Which would make sense as to why she can't summarize, lol. I really appreciate everyone's ideas- they are all helping to get tonthe bottommofnthe issue! Ok. Then break it down to smaller and smaller sections. What's the main idea of this sentence? What's the main idea of this paragraph? And yes, as Carpezio said, if she has trouble articulating that, it's usually found as the first (occasionally last) sentence in the paragraph.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 19, 2015 22:06:47 GMT
Answer the 5 W's Who What When Where Why
The how may be important or it may be details.
Highlight each of the answers in a different highlighter color. Most of the rest is just gravy.
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Post by mvavw on Sept 20, 2015 16:26:02 GMT
Thanks everyone- I'll be trying all of this with her and seeing how it goes. Wish me luck!!
Maria
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Sept 20, 2015 18:02:44 GMT
I was going to suggest highlighting the text, too. I'd find some really short selections to try. I'd also practice with material a lot lower than her reading level. TPT would certainly have some great materials to work with. I know that Rachele Lynette has task cards for all reading concepts, but I don't recall the exact levels.
Another idea is: Somebody Wanted But So Then You can google it and find ideas. This might make it simple enough and discourage the use of details.
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Post by imsirius on Sept 20, 2015 18:09:05 GMT
There are some fantastic ideas here. My son is a 9th grader too and he also has Asperger's but is very high functioning. We have the opposite problem with him though. He has a processing disability and is in the 3% for verbal learning but he is in the 98th% for visual learning.
He can summarize. His issue is elaborating! He cannot elaborate the details. We struggle so much with his writing. If he can look at a photo or drawing of something, he can tell you orally about fifteen hundred different details but when he has to write it down, all we get is a general summary.
I'm going to take some of these ideas but make them more detailed and see if it helps him at all. THANK YOU!!!
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Post by lesley on Sept 20, 2015 18:19:52 GMT
There are some fantastic ideas here. My son is a 9th grader too and he also has Asperger's but is very high functioning. We have the opposite problem with him though. He has a processing disability and is in the 3% for verbal learning but he is in the 98th% for visual learning. He can summarize. His issue is elaborating! He cannot elaborate the details. We struggle so much with his writing. If he can look at a photo or drawing of something, he can tell you orally about fifteen hundred different details but when he has to write it down, all we get is a general summary.I'm going to take some of these ideas but make them more detailed and see if it helps him at all. THANK YOU!!! This is so my son! His P5 teacher told me that DS would tell a wonderful story about the sun setting, the grass gently blowing in a light breeze, a herd of cattle ambling up the hillside, walking slowly as if they had had a really busy day, etc etc etc. Then he would write "The cows came home."  OP, I hope some of these ideas help to make a difference. My DD is 20, also has Aspergers, and still finds it really difficult to summarise. She has been at Freshers Week this week and starts university tomorrow. Every night she has talked for at least an hour telling me every single detail of every event she has attended, and every last word of every conversation she has had. I'm exhausted! 
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Post by miss_lizzie on Sept 20, 2015 18:25:59 GMT
My DH, a teacher, suggests catching her at home when she's doing a multi-step project, like putting away dishes. Ask her what she's doing and she'll probably say she's putting away the dishes. Explain that she's doing multiple details--opening the dishwasher, checking to see if the dishes are dry, putting the dishes in the correct spots--but that she summarized what she did. Emphasize that she can summarize and look for other things to apply it to. Good luck!
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 20, 2015 18:38:47 GMT
In fiction, the someone wanted but so then is awesome. You can then elaborate on important events. In non fiction, read the first and last paragraph. Your main idea should be in there twice unless the first paragraph is a "deck" or just gives some intro information. Then look to the next paragraph. Once your main idea is defined, look for the information that supports that. In high school reading, the main idea of often found at the beginning of the paragraph but depending on the writer, it can be embedded in the paragraph. Ask yourself, "Does this support the main idea(s)? If it does, include it in the summary. At the end of the summary, you can use a variety of ways to close. Basically it is restating the main idea another way. Make sure you know if the teacher has asked for a specific way to do a summary. If he/she has, follow that example. Teachers love it when kids pay attention. 
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Sept 20, 2015 20:13:53 GMT
I'm surprised I was never diagnosed to be on the spectrum when I got diagnosed with ADD Inattentive as a teen. But maybe they didn't have much to go on back then. Though I don't believe in ADD anymore, my doctors did, so I wonder why they didn't test me to be on the spectrum cause I showed many signs. As someone who hates to summarize ( cause it's way too black and white for me ) nor do I even understand it really. I would just write freely on what I read means to me. Whether it's logic or not, I would just write. Without proper context / grammar/ organization ...etc Cause I feel those stipulations get in the way of writing. Then when I am finished I work on the organization and use what I feel is "facts" and all the other stuff a summary entails. My boyfriend is going to school and had to do summary papers and he read a very interesting article about this way of free and ruleless writing so you get all the disorganization out and you don't feel so overwhelmed when it comes time to write your paper. It's possible my essays would have gotten higher grades if I did this when I was in school. And also when I take multiple choice tests, most of the choices look the same to me. So some teachers agreed with me idea of choosing my answer ( after ruminating about it for 5 minutes at a time :/ ) and then explaining why I chose the answer I did. I got better test scores after that  that would be great if they had that option on the 504 plan. Unfortunately I didn't get the idea till my Senior year.
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Post by mvavw on Sept 21, 2015 14:33:17 GMT
I was going to suggest highlighting the text, too. I'd find some really short selections to try. I'd also practice with material a lot lower than her reading level. TPT would certainly have some great materials to work with. I know that Rachele Lynette has task cards for all reading concepts, but I don't recall the exact levels. Another idea is: Somebody Wanted But So ThenYou can google it and find ideas. This might make it simple enough and discourage the use of details. We were working on an assignment where she had to summarize and discuss her five favorite books. She was having a very hard time with it because she of how brief the summary needed to be. It wasn't until I encouraged her to write about her true favorite book (a picture book) that she was able to see that the whole assignment was possible for her to complete. She gets "stuck" overthinking things and the combination of the lower reading material, the somebody wanted but so then, and the 5 W questions pulled her out of it! Thank you all so much for your help. We will be continuing to work on summarizing (she definitely needs to) but I feel like I have a place to start now  Maria
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Post by mvavw on Sept 21, 2015 14:38:59 GMT
My DH, a teacher, suggests catching her at home when she's doing a multi-step project, like putting away dishes. Ask her what she's doing and she'll probably say she's putting away the dishes. Explain that she's doing multiple details--opening the dishwasher, checking to see if the dishes are dry, putting the dishes in the correct spots--but that she summarized what she did. Emphasize that she can summarize and look for other things to apply it to. Good luck! I'm going to try this tonight- my fear is that I'll get a very literal "picking up a plate" as an answer, lol! I will actually try it because if she does generalize, it would be a great teaching moment  Maria
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Post by ntsf on Sept 21, 2015 14:47:32 GMT
after 80 hours of lindamood bell tutoring...my dd started to get better at this. it took 4 yrs of intensive outlining and work on this to make any progress. after 4 yrs of classes and trying to take english 1A 7 times, she can do it now...and she has always read at a high level...but this gets right to the heart of executive functioning and short term memory problems of people with aspergers. only intensive and ongoing focus helped at all. no way could my kid do papers til high school.
so maybe have the school allow a concrete report..or a verbal report and not try to do something way outside her functioning level. it will just lead to frustration.
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Post by twinks on Sept 21, 2015 15:08:50 GMT
Some really great ideas!
My DD had the same problem in that she misses the main idea and would focus on the details. Graphic organizers helped - especially in written assignments. When reading she would fill them out as well. The biggest clue that she didn't have the main idea is when there was nothing to support it. She used a computer program - can't remember the name right now - that helped immensely as she didn't like to erase or start over. Patience on my part when I was "helping" her to see that when nothing supports it - it is not the main idea.
Another thing we always do is when we watch a movie, television program, and even cook something is to point out the "main idea". Even when I am talking to her I will explain things (this gets to be very old - she is constantly saying to me, "Let's discus this"...lol!) I will say either, "Bottom line...," "My point is...," "The main thing is..."
Good luck!
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Post by mvavw on Sept 23, 2015 0:15:23 GMT
Unfortunately, she was declassified from special ed at the end of last year against my wishes and arguments. She gets extended time on exams (which she occasionally needs for writing intensive exams) through a 504. She also moved up to high school where no one knows her.
We've had a crazy start to the school year because of all the holidays (and 2 sick days) so I'm giving her a little time to settle in and see some of the work she has done so far. In the beginning of October, I'm going to meet with some (all?) Of her teachers to discuss this further and how we can work around her writing issues while she works on the skills.
I do have hope that things will click with support, my son was in a similar place at her age and got through it and did well in hs.
I've thought about getting a tutor, but she needs someone who really understands Aspergers and how it affects learning. Unfortunately, the experts are very expensive and out of my budget, and I've done better for my kids than non-Aspergers experts by researching things myself through the years.
Thanks again everyone for your input and tips!
Maria
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