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Post by ceepea on Sept 28, 2015 2:48:32 GMT
Not this shit again.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 28, 2015 3:23:58 GMT
There's nothing I'd disagree with there. BUT I've already seen what has happened when a regular member's account has been deleted - lots of questions about why they left etc. if the answer to that was "they were banned" I can see that turning into a whole inquest of why they were banned, whether it was the right decision, and so on, and I'm not interested in dealing with that, nor do I think it's good for the board to keep rehashing like that. FWIW, banning someone doesn't automatically delete their account, or give any other public indication of the ban, they simply aren't able to log in. Whilst I manually amended the status for the OP of this thread, I probably won't do that ordinarily. ETA If at any point I feel like this was the wrong decision, I absolutely reserve the right to handle it differently in future! FWIW I totally disagree. I thought you'd be smart and reasonable as an admin, and now I see that my original support was misguided, you're getting totally sucked into the goody two shoes hysteria here. Going down a slippery slope and will end up the boring old crochet ladies site. You've already opened up the can of worms and now there will be a witch hunt (and it has already started) about who hasn't posted and who's been banned etc. You are encouraging unrest rather than stopping it. That blog had not one single comment on it...so why was it a threat? Everyone was leaving it alone, so obviously the mindset already was that no-one was interested in posting, however this just stirs things up.
This shit always went down at the old place and despite the occasional rumblings it was never a big deal and always died down on it's own, without the need for heavy handed intervention. Who the hell cares about some random blog? I certainly never cared if my name was there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 3:36:48 GMT
There's nothing I'd disagree with there. BUT I've already seen what has happened when a regular member's account has been deleted - lots of questions about why they left etc. if the answer to that was "they were banned" I can see that turning into a whole inquest of why they were banned, whether it was the right decision, and so on, and I'm not interested in dealing with that, nor do I think it's good for the board to keep rehashing like that. FWIW, banning someone doesn't automatically delete their account, or give any other public indication of the ban, they simply aren't able to log in. Whilst I manually amended the status for the OP of this thread, I probably won't do that ordinarily. ETA If at any point I feel like this was the wrong decision, I absolutely reserve the right to handle it differently in future! FWIW I totally disagree. I thought you'd be smart and reasonable as an admin, and now I see that my original support was misguided, you're getting totally sucked into the goody two shoes hysteria here. Going down a slippery slope and will end up the boring old crochet ladies site. You've already opened up the can of worms and now there will be a witch hunt (and it has already started) about who hasn't posted and who's been banned etc. You are encouraging unrest rather than stopping it. That blog had not one single comment on it...so why was it a threat? Everyone was leaving it alone, so obviously the mindset already was that no-one was interested in posting, however this just stirs things up.
This shit always went down at the old place and despite the occasional rumblings it was never a big deal and always died down on it's own, without the need for heavy handed intervention. Who the hell cares about some random blog? I certainly never cared if my name was there.
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Post by Belia on Sept 28, 2015 3:40:29 GMT
I don't agree with you, pjaye. Admin made it clear at the last kerfluffle that anyone who created an alter for the purpose of stirring shit up would have both accounts banned. A pretty reasonable rule, and one not unique to here. FreeJinger has the same rule, for example. I like it- kinda forces people to think before they type and eliminates some of the chickenshit keyboard courage that can be so hateful. If OP wants to re-start the blog, hey, more power to her. If she would have posted the link under her real name, there wouldn't have been a problem. She brought this on herself by not having the cojones to link to the blog under her own name. Admin has been VERY hands off. I still see her as smart and reasonable and she still has my support 100%. (Not that it's worth much, but hey... my support and a quarter will buy her a phone call, so there's that.  ) |
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Post by pjaye on Sept 28, 2015 3:53:24 GMT
Trolls also sorted themselves out on the other site...very rarely was one banned unless it was extreme and even then, I don't recall their alters being banned except for one occasion.
It's a part of any MB culture and it's often what keeps them interesting.
I know how I define "troll" and some of those are regular posters here and many defend their right to post divisive their shit. While I hate what they stand for a and hate how they derail threads with their "me me me" attitude I still don't and wouldn't call for them to be banned. If I feel like engaging, I'll respond, or I'll ignore them. If they leave on their own, I'd be happy, but I'm against banning and don't think this place needs it.
The only reason I would support a ban if someone creates an ID for the sole purpose of harassing another member or repeated spam posts. This wasn't the case at all.
People read the thread and commented and could choose if they wanted to post on the blog or not...from what I saw no-one did, so it would have died out and the person would have worked out on their own that it wasn't wanted/needed.
But that's the point, it didn't stir anything up, no one posted there, nothing 'nasty' was said about anyone, it was a non event. Now it's an event after the banning and people are already speculating and no doubt looking through the member list to see if they can find out who it was...and are you naïve enough to think this isn't being talked about in private or on facebook etc? Admin's posts and the notice of "this member has been banned" are now the focus. Badly handled.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 28, 2015 3:57:14 GMT
I did notice that a specific prolific poster has been missing since this thread was posted. ?? I must not be that observant, lol! ETA: nevermind. I think I get it. And I'm not surprised. I'm here all the time and I have no idea who you all think it is. That said, can I day how proud I am of the refupeas for not posting a damn word on that blog. |
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Post by Drew on Sept 28, 2015 4:06:52 GMT
Foolana is who I think started this thread. Just getting that out there.
And for the sake of continued transparency, I have always found it odd that the admin posts as admin and also as a regular member. Seems contrary.
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Post by peatlejuice on Sept 28, 2015 4:40:45 GMT
There's nothing I'd disagree with there. BUT I've already seen what has happened when a regular member's account has been deleted - lots of questions about why they left etc. if the answer to that was "they were banned" I can see that turning into a whole inquest of why they were banned, whether it was the right decision, and so on, and I'm not interested in dealing with that, nor do I think it's good for the board to keep rehashing like that. FWIW, banning someone doesn't automatically delete their account, or give any other public indication of the ban, they simply aren't able to log in. Whilst I manually amended the status for the OP of this thread, I probably won't do that ordinarily. ETA If at any point I feel like this was the wrong decision, I absolutely reserve the right to handle it differently in future! FWIW I totally disagree. I thought you'd be smart and reasonable as an admin, and now I see that my original support was misguided, you're getting totally sucked into the goody two shoes hysteria here. Going down a slippery slope and will end up the boring old crochet ladies site. You've already opened up the can of worms and now there will be a witch hunt (and it has already started) about who hasn't posted and who's been banned etc. You are encouraging unrest rather than stopping it.
Oh, FFS, the only one I see creating hysteria over "whiner" being banned is you. I highly doubt this board is going to turn into a boring old crotchety ladies' site anytime soon, as there's plenty of drama without troll names. But hey, if you don't like the admin and her choices, then, "Bye, Felicia!" Don't let the door hit you on your way out. |
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Post by pjaye on Sept 28, 2015 4:56:11 GMT
No actually I can NOT like the admin and her choices and still stay. It isn't the Stepford wives site...yet. Unless you now want to add that to the list as another reason for banning people? Or others not liking you, then you'd be next in line too  |
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Post by peatlejuice on Sept 28, 2015 5:37:29 GMT
No actually I can NOT like the admin and her choices and still stay. It isn't the Stepford wives site...yet. Unless you now want to add that to the list as another reason for banning people? Or others not liking you, then you'd be next in line too Why stay somewhere that you find so poorly ran? This is the second thread in which you've whined about how admin chooses to run her board. I certainly don't think you should be banned for disagreeing (and we both know you won't be) - my point is that nobody makes you be here, so if you hate her way of doing things, you can feel free to leave. And as far as being disliked - LOL, it's cute that you really think I give a damn. |
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Post by pjaye on Sept 28, 2015 6:11:41 GMT
I don't think you give a damn, just felt like pointing out the obvious I guess.
First it's poorly run, not 'ran'.
Two threads!! OMG!! Maybe 4 posts out of almost one thousand...OMG how dare I? It's blatantly obvious that I hate the place so much that I have posted on *2* threads and I've made *4* whole posts on the topic. LOL...you need some serious perspective about what constitutes "hysteria" maybe look up exaggeration while you have the dictionary out. I'm assuming you won't get it on your own, so let me point out - that was sarcasm.
However using your criteria about being unhappy and hating things, obviously you have some issues of your own, so why not take your own advice and leave (because surely this is at least the second time you've disagreed with me, so by your standards, that's sufficient reason to never post here again)...or put me on ignore?
This will come as surprise to you, but I can disagree with someone's actions and disagree with someone's opinion and that doesn't necessitate acting like a two year old and stomping my feet and leaving.
You know mature people can have a discussion and disagree without the need for a little tantrum and making childish comments like "bye Felicia" and "don't let the door hit you on your way out". You seem to think that the only way to disagree with something is to run away. I think the way to disagree is to respond and say what I think and why.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Sept 28, 2015 7:01:31 GMT
Foolana is who I think started this thread. Just getting that out there. And for the sake of continued transparency, I have always found it odd that the admin posts as admin and also as a regular member. Seems contrary. I think it is a regular and sensible approach. I am an admin elsewhere, and having the two hats to wear means that I can participate as a regular member without all the shit that comes with being an Admin, ie all the abusive private messages and that sort of thing, and can deal with twats when logged on as Admin, without it crossing over into my regular account. |
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Sept 28, 2015 9:58:04 GMT
Since this message board is not hosted by a business, I think it is an equitable arrangement that the Admin account is separate from the account that she posts as just a regular refugee pea - this is not trolling, rather someone who did us a favor when 2 peas abruptly shut down their board.
I agree and I think others with the exception of a small minority with a policy that you can only have one account here. I guess if you want to change your user name there is no harm in that but having multiple accounts should be off limits.
There was no "Foolana" on the old 2 peas. But when she joined the board, on the political current/current events threads, she had a point of reference only someone on the old board could have. Her posting style and MO was very lizandjuan- ish.
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