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Post by bonster on Sept 24, 2015 0:02:31 GMT
I imagine this has been discussed before, I apologize- I'm new. (Though used to be on the old two peas boards years ago.)
19 year old daughter, completed one year of college and lived away from home. Is now back home while figuring some things out. She insists that she should not have to have a curfew. She says we didn't know how late she was out when she was away at college so why should we worry about that now? We feel that she should at least let us know how late she will be out. She says NOBODY her age has to tell their parents where they are going or when they will be home. How did you deal with this situation in your family?
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Post by christine58 on Sept 24, 2015 0:11:45 GMT
Your house...your rules. If she doesn't like it...go back to college
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Post by hop2 on Sept 24, 2015 0:19:32 GMT
Your house your rules.
And quite frankly it's common courtesy to let the people who you live with know basic times you will be there or not there. ie: I will not be home for dinner on Thursday. I will be home late tonight don't wait up. See how easy that is!
A curfew is a time you have to be home by. Letting people you live with know a time the door can be deadbolted is common courtesy.
If you can't give me the person paying the bills common courtesy then live elsewhere and pay your own bills.
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Post by abr79 on Sept 24, 2015 0:27:42 GMT
We never had hard/firm curfews when we lived at home (in either high school or once we were out and still living there)...some of our activities often went past what some set and my mom didn't want to do that. So, instead, it was on us to be responsible and earn trust by letting my parents know where we were going and when we planned on being home (this was before cell phones so letting them know where we were going to be was very important). And if ANYTHING changed, we had to call them and let them know. Just kind of like what you're asking her to do...you're not telling her she has to be home by 10 or 11...you're asking her to give you the common courtesy to let you know what's up so you're A) not worried if it's 2 am and she's still not home and B)so she doesn't disturb you if it's 2 am and she comes home.
If she doesn't like it then, yeah - go back to college or find an apartment. I think you're being very reasonable with your requests.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Sept 24, 2015 0:28:33 GMT
HA! the old. NO ONE ELSE has to do it, or no one else's parents DO that. BS!!
Our 22 yr old dd is moved back home after grad'ing college in May. She doesn't have a curfew, per'se, but she tells us when she is going to be home. Mainly because she has to drive from where ever she is coming from, and we worry about car breaking down, or esp deer. She is usually home before midnight. Right now she works wkends and has wed and thurs off, so she goes out wed night, but is home by 11am, because her bf has to work the next day. She is very respectful of us I must say.
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Post by mdith4him on Sept 24, 2015 0:32:55 GMT
I'll preface this by saying I don't have kids, so if this is completely unrealistic, ignore me!! I totally get the 'my house my rules' thing and agree to an extent. However, I will say that it's tough coming home from college and feeling like you have to go back to your old high school rules. It made me feel like my parents didn't trust me and weren't acknowledging that I was growing up. I think there can be a bit of give on either side. I don't think there should necessarily be a strict curfew, but she should let you know what her general plans are. Will she be home for dinner? Is she going out to an event with friends and will be out past midnight? General timeframes are courteous.
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Post by bonster on Sept 24, 2015 0:41:56 GMT
I gave the wrong impression, she isn't being snotty about it. (Just feels like we are being too worried). It certainly isn't at the point of "follow our rules or leave". I like the point about people in the family telling other people where they will be- no matter how old they are. She is our oldest and the first to leave home so we are just trying to learn the balance of her having her independence but also being respectful of house rules.
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Post by Mystie on Sept 24, 2015 0:46:36 GMT
I think there can be a bit of give on either side. I don't think there should necessarily be a strict curfew, but she should let you know what her general plans are. Will she be home for dinner? Is she going out to an event with friends and will be out past midnight? General timeframes are courteous. I agree. A curfew seems like too much, but she should have the courtesy to give you a general idea of when she'll be home. I remember one of the first times I came home from college, I stayed out very late without really thinking about it, and my parents were livid and worried, as well they should have been. (This was long before cell phones.) After that, I always let them know generally where I was going and when I expected to be home.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 0:50:30 GMT
If she wants to stay under my roof, she will do me the curtesy of letting me know when she will be in because it's respectful and gives me a little peace of mind. My house is not a hotel where no one cares about you. Poor thing, you are stuck with a family who cares about you. Bless your heart.
Period.
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Post by KiwiJo on Sept 24, 2015 1:02:48 GMT
I used to tell my adult kids that this is a home, not a hotel.
i asked my kids to tell me when they were going out, and approximately when they would be home, and asked them to text if their plans changed. I didn't ask them where they were going - I figured that they are adults and so it's their business.
The one thing I did insist on was that they let me know if they would not be home for a meal, preferably at least 1 hour before the meal. It didn't matter to me if I cooked for them and then found out 1 hour before the meal that they wouldn't be there - it would become lunch the next for DH and/or me.
Even though I didn't ask them any questions, they very soon started telling lots of details anyway - they later said it was because I treated them as adults, so they didn't feel they needed to hide anything.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 24, 2015 1:05:56 GMT
I think there can be a bit of give on either side. I don't think there should necessarily be a strict curfew, but she should let you know what her general plans are. Will she be home for dinner? Is she going out to an event with friends and will be out past midnight? General timeframes are courteous. I agree. A curfew seems like too much, but she should have the courtesy to give you a general idea of when she'll be home. I remember one of the first times I came home from college, I stayed out very late without really thinking about it, and my parents were livid and worried, as well they should have been. (This was long before cell phones.) After that, I always let them know generally where I was going and when I expected to be home. I agree. I remember how difficult it was to visit home while in college. But, since you are going to worry, basic notifications are a good idea. I remember not wanting to spend much time at home because it felt stifling. Just sayin'.
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Post by kelbel827 on Sept 24, 2015 1:10:30 GMT
No curfew. Just let me know when he will be home, or text if plans chance. We have had no issues.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 1:15:49 GMT
Our rule was "courtesy" It is courteous to let the other house members know what time you expect to return; so when I heard noises at the door at the time he planned to return I didn't worry. I also let him know if he couldn't come in quietly I would start asking him to come home at an hour that was reasonable to me.
I did ask who they planned to be out with and some loose itinerary just in case he didn't return the next morning I had information to give to the police as a missing person. I let him know it was not about controlling him like it had been when he was younger but about providing a sense of security in the event something unforeseen happened.
I will also say, I didn't want it to be too comfortable living at home either. I wanted them to want to move out and become independent. For you, it sounds like you have younger kids at home. It won't hurt her to set a good example of obeying the house rules (and if she doesn't like that she can go back to college!)
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Post by Ryann on Sept 24, 2015 1:30:47 GMT
DH's 22yo son has been living with us since January. He has no curfew, but instead if he isn't going to be home for the night, he lets us know (either verbal or text is fine, as long as he receives a response back from us to confirm we saw his text), so we can go to bed without worry if he's not home when when we get up in the morning. As long as he comes home quietly and isn't disruptive, we will continue to have no problem with no curfew.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 24, 2015 1:40:14 GMT
No curfew. Just let me know when he will be home, or text if plans chance. We have had no issues. This is where I sit. Let us know if you are going to be home for meals, when you expect to be home for the night and update us if plans change. If coming in after everyone is in bed, be quiet and lock up.
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Post by blarneygirl on Sept 24, 2015 1:59:20 GMT
We live by the "courtesy" rule as well. As long as my son meets what I ask of him as a member of the family and meets his work requirements for his employer, when he's home from college on breaks he comes and goes as he pleases. He will let me know ahead of time if he is going to be around for meals and if he's coming home later than normal (or not at all). It's true that I have no idea what he's doing at school, or what hours he is keeping, but it's really less about "my house my rules" and more about just being courteous to one another.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 1:59:34 GMT
My parents never really gave me a curfew. I was respectful and quiet when I did come home and I was usually honest with them about what I was doing and where I was going. I felt I owed them the respect of, hey, I'm going out with the girls tonight..love ya..kind of thing.
There was rare occasions that a bad storm would be coming thru and my dad would tell me to be home by midnite, and I had no issues with that.
Your house, your rules for sure.
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Post by hollymolly on Sept 24, 2015 2:01:17 GMT
My adult son has lived with me for the last 3 years. He always tells me when is he going to be out, where he expects to be and/or who he will be with, and a rough estimate of when he will be home. It's not a rule or anything, it's just general conversational information, like I'd expect from any adult I share a home with. If he decides to stay overnight, he sends me a text. It's just courtesy.
When I was a college freshman, I used to tell my roommate the same things. She used to give me a hard time, saying, "I'm not your mother!" But I just told her if I was laying in a ditch somewhere, I wanted her to know I was missing and not wait 3 days to send someone out to look for me. It was for my own peace of mind that I wanted someone to have basic information to tell police to be able to narrow the search should something happen.
ETA: If the weather is expected to be bad, I'll make sure he's aware before he leaves, and maybe remind him to try to be home either before it hits, or wait it out before coming home. Either way he lets me know which he's going to do (come home before or wait it out). If he's driving home in bad weather, he calls before he leaves so I know he's on his way. That's a worried mom thing, but he doesn't mind because I don't smother him the rest of the time.
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Post by maryland on Sept 24, 2015 2:02:08 GMT
My daughters don't have curfews either (oldest just turned 18 and is in college out of state). She is a great kid, and is good about texting if she will be late or if she decides to stay over at her friend's house. It's never been an issue. Also, both of my teenage daughters are trustworthy, and come in quietly so they don't wake anyone up. I have to say, my girls and 95% of their friends, both boys and girls, are great kids, and very courteous to each other parents. And my 16 yr. old is glued to her phone, so any time I need to reach her she always responds immediately. It's so much easier to let parents know your plans by texting. When I was a teen, I didn't have a strict curfew, but if my brother and I were going to be late, we just had to find a pay phone and call!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 2:02:46 GMT
I used to tell my adult kids that this is a home, not a hotel. I really like this, tucking away for future use. As I mentioned in another thread, once DD hit the summer after senior year, we didn't have a strict curfew, but asked for the common courtesy of knowing if and when she would be home.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 24, 2015 2:11:50 GMT
I agree with the others that it's common courtesy to let others know if you'll be there for a meal and if you will be coming home. If she's your oldest, I'd layer on if her coming home past a certain time disrupts the household, she needs to be respectful of the others in the home. And personally, I don't mind making it a little less than ideal to stay home indefinitely. They should feel that it's a bit restrictive - so they have a bit of incentive to move on and really establish their independence.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 24, 2015 2:15:59 GMT
My oldest returned after a year away too. Luckily he's out the door for work at 6:15 in the morning, so most night he is home early and he's pretty much a homebody anyway. I have stayed up when he "forgot" to mention when he would be back and waited for him. He told me to just go to bed and I said it didn't work that way. I don't sleep if people are out. We've gotten that horrible call before (car accident) and my brain doesn't shut down. After that, he was better letting me know he was out.
My mom put a little light by her door. When I got home, I would turn it off. When she woke up in the middle of the night, she could see I was home.
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Post by bonster on Sept 24, 2015 2:40:11 GMT
I so appreciate all of these replies- good to know I wasn't off base in wanting some communication about coming and going. I love the idea of a home not a hotel. I will definitely be using that one. She is a good kid, just has the unfortunate role of being the oldest. Often we are ready for the next thing coming, but sometimes we stop and think "ok, now how do we approach this?!"
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Post by cmpeter on Sept 24, 2015 4:15:21 GMT
Our 19 year old is living at home while going to college. No curfew, but he tells when he's going to be home or if he isn't going to be home. We told him just to be respectf. DH and I tell each other and the kids what our plans are and if he's an adult he should do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 4:43:17 GMT
I didn't read all of the replies, so forgive if this repetitive...
I've had a few of my adult kids return to the nest while they figured out their next move. While they were adults and I couldn't treat them like children, I did expect them to BE adult in their comings/goings.
IOW, respect the household and respect that we look out for each other. Wanting to know their general itinerary and if/when they'll be home is as much for their benefit as it is mine. At the very least, I'll know when to sound the Missing Person alarm, you know?
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2015 4:52:59 GMT
No curfew. Just let me know when he will be home, or text if plans chance. We have had no issues. This is where I sit. Let us know if you are going to be home for meals, when you expect to be home for the night and update us if plans change. If coming in after everyone is in bed, be quiet and lock up. This was how I plan on handling my boys when they are old enough. I don't want to be their Warden - but I also want to know if I need to cook enough for them for dinner. If you come in late and didn't give me a heads up, then you get to deal with the alarm company when it goes off. If I know you are coming in, I will not turn it on.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Sept 24, 2015 5:55:32 GMT
No curfew, just an expectation that we would be kept informed of any changes of plan etc.
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Post by zella on Sept 24, 2015 6:03:03 GMT
I used to tell my adult kids that this is a home, not a hotel. i asked my kids to tell me when they were going out, and approximately when they would be home, and asked them to text if their plans changed. I didn't ask them where they were going - I figured that they are adults and so it's their business. The one thing I did insist on was that they let me know if they would not be home for a meal, preferably at least 1 hour before the meal. It didn't matter to me if I cooked for them and then found out 1 hour before the meal that they wouldn't be there - it would become lunch the next for DH and/or me. Even though I didn't ask them any questions, they very soon started telling lots of details anyway - they later said it was because I treated them as adults, so they didn't feel they needed to hide anything. Shows respect for your kid as an adult, but allows you peace of mind too. The "my house, my rules" attitude is too narrow minded IMO, and shouldn't we, as parents, be helping out adult kids learn responsible behaviors? Giving them curfews doesn't do this; it's treating them as though they are still children.
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Post by gar on Sept 24, 2015 6:46:44 GMT
I used to tell my adult kids that this is a home, not a hotel. i asked my kids to tell me when they were going out, and approximately when they would be home, and asked them to text if their plans changed. I didn't ask them where they were going - I figured that they are adults and so it's their business. The one thing I did insist on was that they let me know if they would not be home for a meal, preferably at least 1 hour before the meal. It didn't matter to me if I cooked for them and then found out 1 hour before the meal that they wouldn't be there - it would become lunch the next for DH and/or me. Even though I didn't ask them any questions, they very soon started telling lots of details anyway - they later said it was because I treated them as adults, so they didn't feel they needed to hide anything. Shows respect for your kid as an adult, but allows you peace of mind too. The "my house, my rules" attitude is too narrow minded IMO, and shouldn't we, as parents, be helping out adult kids learn responsible behaviors? Giving them curfews doesn't do this; it's treating them as though they are still children. Agree with all of this. 'My house my rules' seems to say 'this isn't your home' and I didn't want to say that to my girls. Yes, technically, we pay for the house etc but it's where they grew up, their home, their safe place so I wasn't comfortable with that whole attitude and thankfully it wasn't necessary. I do feel you have to adjust the need for blanket rules as they mature.
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Post by jenb72 on Sept 24, 2015 13:36:50 GMT
I don't know that an actual curfew is necessary - like you giving her a time she needs to be home. But it's still your house. It's a matter of courtesy. She needs to be courteous about letting you know what time to expect her home, if for no other reason than to give you peace of mind that the noise you hear in the living room his her and not some thief.
If she can't abide by that and she wants to come and go as she pleases without having to tell anyone, then she needs to move out and get her own place.
Jen
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