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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 3:10:58 GMT
I got a text from the mom of one of DS's classmates asking me if DS told us anything about what the substitute talked about in class today. He hadn't, so I asked him if the sub talked about anything unusual today. He said, "Mostly normal stuff, except when she talked about souls and being dead." Tell me more. "She said that we are actually all dead, we are just souls on earth in bodies to learn lessons, and then we go back to being dead and teach the other dead souls." Ummmm. I then asked what he thought about that. "It was weird. I don't know why she was talking about that. And I don't think it's true, so I don't know why she would lie to us."
I talked to the other mom and her daughter's rendition was almost exactly the same. Neither knew why she was talking about that (they both said it wasn't part of a lesson).
I'm not going to get all worked up and make a huge deal out of this, but I would like to know why the heck this came up to a classroom of 2nd graders. Since it's a sub, not I'm sure who to talk to. The normal teacher when she gets back? The principal? Someone else? This is the first time we've had something questionable like this come up at school, so I'm not sure how to proceed. Call? Talk in person? Email?
Update Thursday morning: Since I walk DS to school every day, I decided to just go a few minutes early and tell the teacher what I heard. Well, I was not alone! There were 6 other parents from the class there. The normal teacher was back and she told us all that the office received multiple phone calls yesterday and she got some emails. They have already removed her from the sub system for the district. The teacher also mentioned that the sub didn't do anything on the lesson plan she left.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Sept 24, 2015 3:15:59 GMT
I would let the permanent teacher know so that she can request a different sub next time, unless it is a long-term sub. This is an email situation, IMO. I'd let the teacher know that more than one kid is telling the same story.
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Sept 24, 2015 3:16:42 GMT
That sounds very odd. I don't think that's an appropriate conversation to have in a classroom setting. I think I'd email the principal and cc the teacher.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2015 3:17:01 GMT
Let the normal teacher know. She can request not to have that teacher come back. I would request that that teacher not be allowed to sub in my room.
But then again, I had a sub fall asleep in my class last week, so...
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Post by anonrefugee on Sept 24, 2015 3:18:55 GMT
Our teacher schedule their own substitutes. I'd definitely mention it to the regular teacher. And request other Mom ask about it as well. Maybe the kids misinterpreted it, maybe not, but teacher needs to find out.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 24, 2015 3:22:01 GMT
Where I worked, principals had the choice of having a sub back or not. There have been a few people who were not invited back because of things they said to the class or they way they handled or didn't handle discipline. Let the principal know. He/she is probably fielding a couple of calls. You are right, this sub should have been teaching the standards and what should have been covered. My boys loved to have particular subs because they taught art for a couple of hours or just went rogue and brought in slides from their family vacation. Oy.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 24, 2015 3:22:55 GMT
Let the normal teacher know. She can request not to have that teacher come back. I would request that that teacher not be allowed to sub in my room. But then again, I had a sub fall asleep in my class last week, so… I had a teammate like that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 3:25:18 GMT
I'd send an email to both the permanent teacher so she knows not to ask for that sub, but I'd also email the principal.. they may not want to allow that sub to be hired at all.. it would keep other unknowing teachers from hiring her. Then again, the regular teacher may be fine with. (given the recent teacher who told a 4 year old left hands are evil)
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2015 3:29:06 GMT
Let the normal teacher know. She can request not to have that teacher come back. I would request that that teacher not be allowed to sub in my room. But then again, I had a sub fall asleep in my class last week, so... Yeah, exactly this. I have to call my own subs; I wouldn't be calling this one back. And the sub fell asleep? Holy crap!! One time a sub I had told my 7th graders why there is a big baby boom nine months after big power outages. When my students were telling me about it, I played dumb. She did a number of other things that were odd. This all happened at the end of a school year, and the following year, her name was not on the sub list. Yup, dead asleep. Apparently my students were quiet and respectful. They did their typical work and then worked on homework or talked quietly until class was over.
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Post by alexa11 on Sept 24, 2015 3:31:25 GMT
2nd graders-OMG!!! That woman doesn't belong in a classroom. I would contact both of them- she definitely needs to be removed from the elementary sub list. That would make me livid.
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Post by paget on Sept 24, 2015 3:38:45 GMT
I'd send an email to both the permanent teacher so she knows not to ask for that sub, but I'd also email the principal.. they may not want to allow that sub to be hired at all.. it would keep other unknowing teachers from hiring her. Then again, the regular teacher may be fine with. (given the recent teacher who told a 4 year old left hands are evil) Wait, what? Someone said that to a child?! This left handed mama of a left hander is appalled. People be cray.
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Post by Peamac on Sept 24, 2015 4:12:01 GMT
Yikes! Not 2nd grade material at all- I hope it didn't scare any of the kids!
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Post by perumbula on Sept 24, 2015 4:12:37 GMT
Just e-mail the teacher. She can find out what happened from more sources. If the sub needs to be quietly removed from the list, it will happen.
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2015 4:41:08 GMT
I would go to the school tomorrow and try to talk with the regular teacher. If she isn't back yet then I would talk to the principal and then follow up with an email to the normal teacher.
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Post by oaksong on Sept 24, 2015 4:49:08 GMT
Totally inappropriate! It's good that your son was able to articulate what had happened so you could help him process it. Some kids might not be able to do that, and must have been frightened and even a little traumatized. I would definitely be talking to the teacher and the principal. I can't imagine either of them would be ok with that kind of conversation going on with young kids, or older kids for that matter.
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Post by caangel on Sept 24, 2015 5:01:58 GMT
Definitely talk to the regular teacher. Around here the office manager deals with subs not the principal, so I would maybe let her know too.
I know our office staff well and did tell the manager about good and bad subs last year. Unfortunately we have such a shortage sometimes they are just happy to get a body. There were several instances last year where a class had to be split up cuz there wasn't a sub available.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 6:54:54 GMT
I have actually heard this from my merry maid boss, who is LDS. Actually I think that he was some sort of FLDS. That and he could not wait to get his own planet and many wives.
I thought it was inappropriate talk when I was 20. Definitely not for youngsters.
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Post by Nicole in TX on Sept 24, 2015 10:17:16 GMT
I have very little control over what subs are in my room.
I would let the teacher and the principal know.
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Post by **Angie** on Sept 24, 2015 10:31:50 GMT
You are right, this sub should have been teaching the standards and what should have been covered. So, subs aren't supposed to print out coloring pages for the kids because the sub doesn't know how to sing (choir class, for 3 days!)?
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Post by eastcoastpea on Sept 24, 2015 10:33:59 GMT
That sounds very odd. I don't think that's an appropriate conversation to have in a classroom setting. I think I'd email the principal and cc the teacher.
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 24, 2015 10:36:08 GMT
Let the regular teacher know so she can possibly remove the sub from her assignment list. I can refuse certain subs and I've had subs removed from the school's overall call list too. I'd definitely want to know if my sub said something like this.
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Post by AnastasiaBeaverhausn on Sept 24, 2015 10:55:59 GMT
I had a sub last year say inappropriate things to my 7th graders. A parent sent me an email giving me heads up which I really appreciated. I had my 7th graders write down what was said and gave them to my assistant principal. I let her wade through the details. That sub was not allowed back.
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Post by artbabe on Sept 24, 2015 11:09:26 GMT
It works a little differently at my school because, I think, my district is huge. I don't have any control over what subs are used- I just type in my absence on the computer and the subs can schedule themselves. I don't have any control over who subs my class. At our school the parent would be better off telling the principal so that he/she can remove the sub from the sub pool.
I had a doozy of a sub once but I don't have time to type the story this morning. I'll type it later when I get back from work. There are weird subs out there...
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 24, 2015 11:12:43 GMT
You are right, this sub should have been teaching the standards and what should have been covered. So, subs aren't supposed to print out coloring pages for the kids because the sub doesn't know how to sing (choir class, for 3 days!)? Not sure what this has to do with telling kids that they are all dead souls?? I think a teacher would probably have less trouble with coloring pages than with hearing their kids learned all about being dead. (of course that begs the question of why a sub would even take a job for a choir class if they don't know music and/or how to sing...)
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Post by oliquig on Sept 24, 2015 11:19:13 GMT
Several years ago many parents called my niece's school after she and many other kids in her class of sixth graders told their parents that the sub had watched and let then watch the events unfolding at Sandy Hook. We're in CT, kids were upset. She was let go as a sub from that city.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 24, 2015 11:31:24 GMT
I would probably send an email addressed to both the teacher and principal, apologizing that you are not sure where you were supposed to direct this, but very briefly outlining what your son told you and telling them you thought you should pass it along. I'd probably throw in a line that your child isn't traumatized and that you don't expect them to address it with him.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Sept 24, 2015 11:36:34 GMT
I'd email the regular teacher and cc the principal. I'd also ask my friend (the mom who texted me for confirmation of the weirdness) to do the same.
Around here, teachers can request subs, but subs also sign into an online thing where they can pick up open sub jobs. I'm not sure who oversees the whole thing and that's why I'd cc the principal.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Sept 24, 2015 11:38:10 GMT
I would probably send an email addressed to both the teacher and principal, apologizing that you are not sure where you were supposed to direct this, but very briefly outlining what your son told you and telling them you thought you should pass it along. I'd probably throw in a line that your child isn't traumatized and that you don't expect them to address it with him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 12:18:31 GMT
I'd send an email to both the permanent teacher so she knows not to ask for that sub, but I'd also email the principal.. they may not want to allow that sub to be hired at all.. it would keep other unknowing teachers from hiring her. Then again, the regular teacher may be fine with. (given the recent teacher who told a 4 year old left hands are evil) Wait, what? Someone said that to a child?! This left handed mama of a left hander is appalled. People be cray. Yes, it was a thread in the last couple of days. You can find it easily in my post history.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 12:28:09 GMT
I'd start with the regular teacher first. I subbed a long time ago in a different state. We were randomly assigned unless we were requested. There were two districts in the city and each had its own sub database. Many teachers were in both. Here, there's a network that covers all 4 public schools in my city so one day, you could be teaching at P and the next at L. I don't know if it's random or by request. The public schools here all fall under a county district and that is who runs and pays the subs.
The teacher can then decide if she needs to address it with her principal or the district.
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