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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 18:44:34 GMT
NBC StoryIn a game on September 4, two football players from John Jay High School in San Antonio took out a ref whom they claim was making racial comments. They said an assistant coach told them to punish the ref for making bad calls and using racial slurs. The assistant coach has taken responsibility and resigned. IMO, his career as a football coach is over. The players were kicked off the team, served a 3-day suspension and are attending another school until January. They've probably ended any hope of a future in sports because of their actions. The referee suffered a concussion, and the players are fortunate that's all he suffered. Their deliberate actions could have resulted in much more serious injuries. He had no protective equipment on, and they both hit him hard in the back. Do their actions rise to the level of assault? The authorities are looking into possible criminal charges. If they had done this off the field to someone, there would be no question of charging them. Should the coach be charged since he told them to do it and ostensibly they were just following orders? What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 18:48:51 GMT
I absolutely think it's assault. I don't know the laws around whether the coach could also be legally culpable (seems like he should be) but the players are old enough to know something like that is wrong, so they aren't absolved of personal responsibility. Yes, you follow your coach's play calls - attacking a ref like that is not a play and they should have refused and told the head coach.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 24, 2015 18:54:41 GMT
I'd charge them with assault and the coach with accessory. There's no possible way to misconstrue those actions as anything other than intentional.
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Post by caro on Sept 24, 2015 18:59:08 GMT
Those players need to be punished for assault and the coach as well. The video was deplorable.
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Post by marianne on Sept 24, 2015 18:59:14 GMT
I'd charge them with assault and the coach with accessory. There's no possible way to misconstrue those actions as anything other than intentional. absolutely that. Regardless of what the coach said, the players are totally responsible for their own actions.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Sept 24, 2015 19:04:58 GMT
I agree with everything said so far. It was assault, they are responsible as is the assistant coach who should be charged with accessory and I'm tired of people that do things wrong being paraded on TV.
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Post by nicole2112 on Sept 24, 2015 19:13:56 GMT
First of all, how long they are taking to get this resolved is ridiclous! This was clear cut and should have been handled within a week of the game.
Secondly, the assistant coach was allowed to resign which is unbelievable. He should have been fired - no question. I don't know what racial epithet the players were called because neither one of them are of the same race as the assistant coach so that is confusing but I do know that it doesn't matter. Telling children to attack a ref is not acceptable. But his ass should have been FIRED!
Lastly, the players that attacked the ref should be removed from sports indefinitely and charged with assault. Criminal assault. This last line in the article shows me that they have not learned any lesson whatsoever and they are still as clueless as when the play started where they hurt the ref.
"Hernandez added that the students "regret" what happened, but would not have harmed the referee unless they were told to by their coach and the official hadn't used such offensive language"
Finishing out the semester at an "alternative" school is not punishment, people.
I'm wondering if the ref will do anything else outside of this.
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Post by loco coco on Sept 24, 2015 19:16:59 GMT
yes, I think they should be charged assault
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Sept 24, 2015 19:28:04 GMT
i absolutely think it is assault.
What a terrible thing for them to have done, a coach telling them or otherwise.
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Post by Freefallfast on Sept 24, 2015 19:35:22 GMT
Football mentality. Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 19:51:32 GMT
That is not fair at all. My husband has been covering football professionally at the high school and college levels for over 20 years and he's never seen anything like that and everyone he knows in the industry is outraged by it. This is not a wink-wink-nudge-nudge outrage either. This is *not* a typical football mentality.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 24, 2015 20:03:47 GMT
Absolutely unacceptable behavior by all involved. Ref, asst coach, players.
If the ref was making inappropriate comments, there are steps that can be taken to report/file complaints against him.
My kid played HS FB. I get the whole obey the coaches & everyone being hyped up for the game thing. But it is a GAME. Dignity, integrity and respect for your fellow humans always come before any game. Always.
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Post by Freefallfast on Sept 24, 2015 20:10:50 GMT
I don't know why but I just don't understand football. TOO ME it is violent and I only hear about the crap things they do. Maybe to balance out my opinion I should seek out all the good football players do. But this kind of thing makes me sad that these kids would do this. They should be punished.
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Post by nicole2112 on Sept 24, 2015 20:17:13 GMT
Absolutely unacceptable behavior by all involved. Ref, asst coach, players.
If the ref was making inappropriate comments, there are steps that can be taken to report/file complaints against him. I hesitate to put any blame on the ref because the only people that have said that he made racial remarks are those that attacked him. Have we heard anyone else say that this ref has made these types of comments to other players before? I think it's their way of trying to justify their actions that, to me, are in no way justifiable. I don't care what he said. If he said something that was out of line the complaint should have been made and protocol should have been followed. Without anyone else coming forward to say that they heard what he said I just don't know that I believe it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 20:31:53 GMT
I have to agree that if the ref is truly in the wrong and making racial slurs, he probably didn't just do it once. I would think others would be coming out of the woodwork if it were true.
I think all should be charged with assault. It is so blatantly intentional.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 20:32:39 GMT
Absolutely unacceptable behavior by all involved. Ref, asst coach, players.
If the ref was making inappropriate comments, there are steps that can be taken to report/file complaints against him. I hesitate to put any blame on the ref because the only people that have said that he made racial remarks are those that attacked him. Have we heard anyone else say that this ref has made these types of comments to other players before? I think it's their way of trying to justify their actions that, to me, are in no way justifiable. I don't care what he said. If he said something that was out of line the complaint should have been made and protocol should have been followed. Without anyone else coming forward to say that they heard what he said I just don't know that I believe it. This is why I think things are taking longer than expected - they are investigating the refree's background. The coach is not going to coach anymore. The kids are not going to play football anymore. This case has gotten so much attention that all involved will have to make career changes. As for assault charges - if charges are not filed in a criminal court by the DA, the referee may likely sue in civil court.
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Post by naby64 on Sept 24, 2015 20:44:31 GMT
Wow.... Both of my boys played HS football. While we have disagreed with a lot of calls, no way, no how would they ever do something like that. Are you kidding me? EVEN if the coach would have told them to and knowing all of our coaches that would NOT have happened. To lump all football players with a "football mentality" is asinine. My oldest DS graduated 5th in his class. He is no way a "duh, football" type. I agree with everyone else. Assault charges should be filed. What the boys did was sooooooo wrong.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 24, 2015 20:48:29 GMT
I think the kids are definately at fault BUT I think the coach is JUST AS MUCH responsible, not just an accessory. Yes, the players should have known better. They are at fault. But the coach show have known that it was very probable that the players would do what they were told to. He should be held just as accountable.
What the hell were they all thinking? I guess they weren't.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Sept 24, 2015 20:51:41 GMT
Sports offers so much, but can have its dark side just like most of life. I hate to see this kind of thing especially at a high school (or younger) level. That kind of behavior has no place on the field. I would be in favor of criminal charges against the players involved and the coach who admitted to instigating it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 21:09:27 GMT
I saw the interview on the Today Show. I don't believe a word out of their mouths. I don't believe the ref said anything. It was pure retaliation for a call they didn't like. And they are old enough to know that just because a coach says "boo" doesn't mean you have to follow any "orders" from said coach.
I think criminal charges should be considered. There was NO remorse from them during the interview and its very clear they are lying to cover their own a*****.
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Post by scrapsotime on Sept 24, 2015 21:10:03 GMT
When I first saw this story right after it happened the reason given for their actions was bad calls and missed calls. 2 other members of this same team that were ejected from the game earlier for throwing punches. I think this team needs a major over hall. I'm withholding judgement on the ref until I have more info on him. He's been a ref for 14 years. If he'd said things like that before I think players would be coming forward.
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Post by Peal on Sept 24, 2015 21:16:35 GMT
This is local to me. The assistant coach retracted his original statement today. He said he wanted to take the blame for the kids because he didn't want to see the kids punished and figured if he said he told them to do it, they wouldn't be suspended or kicked off the team. But since they are being punished anyway he wants to set the record straight.
The only people who truly know what happened are the two kids and the assistant coach, and they are all deep into to CYA mode.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 21:59:30 GMT
I read somewhere that the younger player was not one of the players told by the coach to hit the ref. The third player refused, so the senior player recruited the sophomore by telling him it was coach's orders.
Did these kids not realize that they'd get caught, as blatant and noticeable as their actions were? They didn't even try to be subtle! Which made it incredibly easy to determine intent.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 24, 2015 22:01:41 GMT
This is local to me. The assistant coach retracted his original statement today. He said he wanted to take the blame for the kids because he didn't want to see the kids punished and figured if he said he told them to do it, they wouldn't be suspended or kicked off the team. But since they are being punished anyway he wants to set the record straight. The only people who truly know what happened are the two kids and the assistant coach, and they are all deep into to CYA mode. Ok, that's all kinds of messed up. Kids definately to blame and should be punished. Assistant coach, too if he "ordered" it. If he didn't , and was "just covering" he's still wrong, maybe more in a misplaced sense of protecting the kids, but still wrong. Why not just tell the truth to begin with. It seems to come out anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 22:08:13 GMT
This is local to me. The assistant coach retracted his original statement today. He said he wanted to take the blame for the kids because he didn't want to see the kids punished and figured if he said he told them to do it, they wouldn't be suspended or kicked off the team. But since they are being punished anyway he wants to set the record straight. The only people who truly know what happened are the two kids and the assistant coach, and they are all deep into to CYA mode. So former coach Breed is saying he didn't tell the players to hit the ref?
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Post by Peal on Sept 24, 2015 22:24:26 GMT
So former coach Breed is saying he didn't tell the players to hit the ref? Today's statement from Breed link to story
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 22:28:44 GMT
Thanks for that link, Peal.
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Post by Basket1lady on Sept 24, 2015 22:33:55 GMT
Wow.... Both of my boys played HS football. While we have disagreed with a lot of calls, no way, no how would they ever do something like that. Are you kidding me? EVEN if the coach would have told them to and knowing all of our coaches that would NOT have happened. To lump all football players with a "football mentality" is asinine. My oldest DS graduated 5th in his class. He is no way a "duh, football" type. I agree with everyone else. Assault charges should be filed. What the boys did was sooooooo wrong. Thank you. My son played HS football as well (and graduated summa cum laude) and is definitely one of the good guys. I can emphatically state that he would have never agreed to something like this. Those players absolutely should be charged with assault. What they did was deliberate and in no way a part of the game.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 24, 2015 22:35:01 GMT
His statement doesn't change the fact in my mind that he has no business as a football coach. The last thing we need is more people who think the right thing to do is lie to cover up others misbehavior - particularly for high school kids. A court of law should determine whether he's covering his ass for fear of criminal or civil charges - I'd still charge him.
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Post by basketdiva on Sept 24, 2015 22:35:08 GMT
This is local to me. The assistant coach retracted his original statement today. He said he wanted to take the blame for the kids because he didn't want to see the kids punished and figured if he said he told them to do it, they wouldn't be suspended or kicked off the team. But since they are being punished anyway he wants to set the record straight. The only people who truly know what happened are the two kids and the assistant coach, and they are all deep into to CYA mode. This guy certainly doesn't belong coaching or working with youth at all.
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