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Post by Kelpea on Oct 9, 2015 22:46:29 GMT
I guess it's time for me to have that conversation with my freshman college daughter. You know; the one where you tell your child she really doesn't have a chance if some random shooter shows up at her college. I've trained by our kids to NOT cower in a classroom, but to run like hell. To help barricade the classroom with heavy furnishings. To break a window and bust out of the building. To pretend to be dead if there's no escape.
While I know it's a strong likelihood this won't happen, it's just getting too damned commonplace not to have that little chat.
This just slays me.
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 9, 2015 22:58:58 GMT
Where was the third?
The one at NAU was scary for us as we know a few kids at school there and I saw something about the one in Texas, but haven't heard about a third. As scary as the mass, random shooters are I find these shootings even more disturbing because it sounds like they were confrontations. When did pulling a gun become the way to solve a dispute?
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Post by anonrefugee on Oct 9, 2015 22:58:43 GMT
I think one of the Peas did experience this at her kids school last year? It's all crazy.
And know what you mean. We had a threat a while ago. School in lock down until the (white) kid was handcuffed and carted away and school searched. it was all hoax and big talk but during it I realized my boys were type that would rush and try to subdue the bad guy given the chance. Hard texting "I love you" "help keep class calm" when all you want to do is rush up there.
(I mention it was white kid because happened days before clock-bomb and so many were saying a white kid wouldn't be cuffed. It was too raw for me to post publicly about at the time.)
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Post by Kelpea on Oct 9, 2015 23:00:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 23:03:14 GMT
Have her ask her academic advisor what the campus protocols are in those situations.
My campus has an official protocol designed to help keep as many students as possible safe. They have been installing a voice speaker system across campus so the police can tell people what is going on, and where to stay clear of. They also send out text/robocalls and emails (each person can choose what works best for them)
Staff is trained on protocols in their areas if there is a threat, if there is something actively going on in their area, and how to get students to safety. It is part of our freshman/transfer student orientation but I'm not sure how well the students are paying attention during orientation.
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Post by Kelpea on Oct 9, 2015 23:05:20 GMT
Thanks, voltagain!! Texting her now to ensure she has text updates. I appreciate the reminder.
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Post by ro on Oct 9, 2015 23:10:26 GMT
Un-fucking-believable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 1:09:48 GMT
u What is? The fact that there were three shootings at colleges today or the op's post? I saw Arizona and Texas. I saw a post about an active shooter in Kentucky. Was that confirmed and if so, were there any injuries? |
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Post by elaine on Oct 10, 2015 1:13:57 GMT
u What is? The fact that there were three shootings at colleges today or the op's post? I saw Arizona and Texas. I saw a post about an active shooter in Kentucky. Was that confirmed and if so, were there any injuries? Knowing ro, it is that there were three more campus shootings today. |
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Post by annaintx on Oct 10, 2015 2:06:19 GMT
I work at a large, state university in south Texas--not in Austin. This training video was included in our mandatory compliance training a year ago, and last week the school's police department shared it on their FB page. It might be something you all could share with family and co workers. (How sad is that??!!)
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Post by ro on Oct 10, 2015 2:12:43 GMT
u What is? The fact that there were three shootings at colleges today or the op's post? I saw Arizona and Texas. I saw a post about an active shooter in Kentucky. Was that confirmed and if so, were there any injuries? Yes that there were more shootings. In schools. Anywhere. At what point does it become 'just another occurrence' rather than a tragedy that must be prevented. Idk. I always feel that I don't have a "right" to comment because it's not happening in my country. But believe it or not, I am truly saddened. Saddened for your nation. And beyond heartbroken that yet another mother, father, sibling is living a horrifying reality tonight. |
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Post by Dreamsofnyssa on Oct 10, 2015 2:14:21 GMT
The shooting that happened at NAU could have happened anywhere. It wasn't a random person shooting unsuspecting students in a classroom, it was an argument/fight that ended in someone being shot and losing their life. The location just happened to be on a college campus.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 10, 2015 2:14:54 GMT
I think that is the training video we saw at our elementary school. They finally went from telling us to hide our kids to get them the hell out if possible. It also showed us how as a group to attack the gunman. I just sat in that meeting led by the sheriff shaking my head. I am glad I saw the videos because they do give some good advice, but damn, they are scary.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 10, 2015 4:15:00 GMT
The shooting that happened at NAU could have happened anywhere. It wasn't a random person shooting unsuspecting students in a classroom, it was an argument/fight that ended in someone being shot and losing their life. The location just happened to be on a college campus.  thank you!! It was a drunken brawl that just happened to end up being on the campus grounds. Before the media-frenzy of late, I don't believe this wouldn't have made the national news. |
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 10, 2015 5:05:45 GMT
I think that is the training video we saw at our elementary school. They finally went from telling us to hide our kids to get them the hell out if possible. It also showed us how as a group to attack the gunman. I just sat in that meeting led by the sheriff shaking my head. I am glad I saw the videos because they do give some good advice, but damn, they are scary. we are still taught to hide the kids. After an evacuation drill students brought it up all day. I told them what the protocol was. There is chicken wire type stuff on my window, but it a shooter shot the lock, we'd be screwed. My windows open funny. I told my students that protocol was one thing, but if I thought I could get them out safely, I would do it in a heartbeat. When I am in the classroom there is nothing more important than my students. Without getting into the gun debate, I wish schools would change their doors to open in instead of out. You lose some room, but then you could block the door. Also, I would like them to be able to be locked from the inside. |
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Post by gar on Oct 10, 2015 6:40:09 GMT
u What is? The fact that there were three shootings at colleges today or the op's post? I saw Arizona and Texas. I saw a post about an active shooter in Kentucky. Was that confirmed and if so, were there any injuries? Yes that there were more shootings. In schools. Anywhere. At what point does it become 'just another occurrence' rather than a tragedy that must be prevented. Idk. I always feel that I don't have a "right" to comment because it's not happening in my country. But believe it or not, I am truly saddened. Saddened for your nation. And beyond heartbroken that yet another mother, father, sibling is living a horrifying reality tonight.I think that point has already been reached. And that there will be more  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 6:56:22 GMT
The shooting that happened at NAU could have happened anywhere. It wasn't a random person shooting unsuspecting students in a classroom, it was an argument/fight that ended in someone being shot and losing their life. The location just happened to be on a college campus. So this makes it better? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 7:30:04 GMT
The shooting that happened at NAU could have happened anywhere. It wasn't a random person shooting unsuspecting students in a classroom, it was an argument/fight that ended in someone being shot and losing their life. The location just happened to be on a college campus. It was a drunken brawl that just happened to end up being on the campus grounds. Before the media-frenzy of late, I don't believe this wouldn't have made the national news. Does that make it OK then? Can't you see how wrong the fact that it could have happened anywhere is? Why is a gun needed to end a drunken brawl? It's sickening. |
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Post by tracyarts on Oct 10, 2015 7:46:58 GMT
The thing in Houston is a bad situation all around. It happened at an apartment complex owned by the university, and it's the third shooting on that campus since the beginning of the semester. There's speculation that the shooting yesterday was in retaliation for a shooting that happened earlier this week. The problem is that the campus and student housing are right in the middle of a neighborhood that has a very high crime rate. It's not like the campus is off in a secluded area or outside of the city. Bad stuff that happens in the surrounding neighborhood finds its way onto the campus sometimes. All they can do is increase security.
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 10, 2015 9:57:10 GMT
I think that is the training video we saw at our elementary school. They finally went from telling us to hide our kids to get them the hell out if possible. It also showed us how as a group to attack the gunman. I just sat in that meeting led by the sheriff shaking my head. I am glad I saw the videos because they do give some good advice, but damn, they are scary. we are still taught to hide the kids. After an evacuation drill students brought it up all day. I told them what the protocol was. There is chicken wire type stuff on my window, but it a shooter shot the lock, we'd be screwed. My windows open funny. I told my students that protocol was one thing, but if I thought I could get them out safely, I would do it in a heartbeat. When I am in the classroom there is nothing more important than my students. Without getting into the gun debate, I wish schools would change their doors to open in instead of out. You lose some room, but then you could block the door. Also, I would like them to be able to be locked from the inside.I hadn't thought about this until you posted, but now I realize that ours do open in, not out. So that's a good thing to keep in mind. Also our door handles are always locked. We do have a flat magnet thing that can slide over the indentation where the bolt would go that will allow the door to be opened even though the handle is locked. This is to keep someone from having to get up constantly to let kids back in after they go to the bathroom, or let teachers come and go (pull-out type of teachers, etc.) If there's ever a lockdown situation or drill part of our protocol is to pull that magnet so that the door can't be opened. Scary. I've already been in one lock-down drill this year as a substitute, in a 2nd grade classroom. When I worked at one local hospital which is a HUGE level one trauma center with many many ways someone could get into the building (it's too huge to have all doors secured or guarded like in a smaller hospital) we had to watch a video like this, but one aimed specifically at hospitals. It was fairly terrifying, but information we all need to have. |
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Oct 10, 2015 9:58:40 GMT
I work at a large, state university in south Texas--not in Austin. This training video was included in our mandatory compliance training a year ago, and last week the school's police department shared it on their FB page. It might be something you all could share with family and co workers. (How sad is that??!!) Thank you for posting that. I just watched it. I wish I didn't feel like it was something that I needed to know. |
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Post by maryland on Oct 10, 2015 12:14:03 GMT
I think that is the training video we saw at our elementary school. They finally went from telling us to hide our kids to get them the hell out if possible. It also showed us how as a group to attack the gunman. I just sat in that meeting led by the sheriff shaking my head. I am glad I saw the videos because they do give some good advice, but damn, they are scary. My daughter said last year that they had an active shooter drill at her 10th grade class and the teacher said they are supposed to hide the kids. But she said she would get them out the window, they would get out!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 12:20:03 GMT
I think that is the training video we saw at our elementary school. They finally went from telling us to hide our kids to get them the hell out if possible. It also showed us how as a group to attack the gunman. I just sat in that meeting led by the sheriff shaking my head. I am glad I saw the videos because they do give some good advice, but damn, they are scary. we are still taught to hide the kids. After an evacuation drill students brought it up all day. I told them what the protocol was. There is chicken wire type stuff on my window, but it a shooter shot the lock, we'd be screwed. My windows open funny. I told my students that protocol was one thing, but if I thought I could get them out safely, I would do it in a heartbeat. When I am in the classroom there is nothing more important than my students. Without getting into the gun debate, I wish schools would change their doors to open in instead of out. You lose some room, but then you could block the door. Also, I would like them to be able to be locked from the inside. Inward opening doors are a danger in case of fire. If a crowd of people get to pushing up against each other the door gets blocked by the people wanting out. In the early 1900s there were several school fires where most of the students perished at the door trying to get out and couldn't because the door needed to swing inward. Laws were the passed to make public doors swing outward to prevent that from happening again. We forget current building codes exist due to horrible experiences. |
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Post by compeateropeator on Oct 10, 2015 12:34:04 GMT
we are still taught to hide the kids. After an evacuation drill students brought it up all day. I told them what the protocol was. There is chicken wire type stuff on my window, but it a shooter shot the lock, we'd be screwed. My windows open funny. I told my students that protocol was one thing, but if I thought I could get them out safely, I would do it in a heartbeat. When I am in the classroom there is nothing more important than my students. Without getting into the gun debate, I wish schools would change their doors to open in instead of out. You lose some room, but then you could block the door. Also, I would like them to be able to be locked from the inside. Inward opening doors are a danger in case of fire. If a crowd of people get to pushing up against each other the door gets blocked by the people wanting out. In the early 1900s there were several school fires where most of the students perished at the door trying to get out and couldn't because the door needed to swing inward. Laws were the passed to make public doors swing outward to prevent that from happening again. We forget current building codes exist due to horrible experiences. It Makes me a bit sad that we now need to determine which tragedy is more likely to happen. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 10, 2015 12:38:26 GMT
I think that is the training video we saw at our elementary school. They finally went from telling us to hide our kids to get them the hell out if possible. It also showed us how as a group to attack the gunman. I just sat in that meeting led by the sheriff shaking my head. I am glad I saw the videos because they do give some good advice, but damn, they are scary. My daughter said last year that they had an active shooter drill at her 10th grade class and the teacher said they are supposed to hide the kids. But she said she would get them out the window, they would get out!
I know that my son has all kinds of drills-fire, storm (we get some awfully strong thunderstorms here) and now active shooters. I haven't questioned him too much about it, but I am starting to be more curious about what the recommendations are. (I am a known ignorer of those things that scare me and I have zero control over...) |
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 10, 2015 13:43:49 GMT
we are still taught to hide the kids. After an evacuation drill students brought it up all day. I told them what the protocol was. There is chicken wire type stuff on my window, but it a shooter shot the lock, we'd be screwed. My windows open funny. I told my students that protocol was one thing, but if I thought I could get them out safely, I would do it in a heartbeat. When I am in the classroom there is nothing more important than my students. Without getting into the gun debate, I wish schools would change their doors to open in instead of out. You lose some room, but then you could block the door. Also, I would like them to be able to be locked from the inside. Inward opening doors are a danger in case of fire. If a crowd of people get to pushing up against each other the door gets blocked by the people wanting out. In the early 1900s there were several school fires where most of the students perished at the door trying to get out and couldn't because the door needed to swing inward. Laws were the passed to make public doors swing outward to prevent that from happening again. We forget current building codes exist due to horrible experiences. That's interesting, and it makes sense. But our doors are inward opening so it must go by state laws. This school was renovated -- i.e., major gutting and basically starting over -- in about 1996 or so. Now I'll be worrying about kids getting trapped by fire! Like someone said on this thread, sad that we have to think about all these things. Definitely it's better to be prepared, but it's still sad. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 14:22:52 GMT
The shooting that happened at NAU could have happened anywhere. It wasn't a random person shooting unsuspecting students in a classroom, it was an argument/fight that ended in someone being shot and losing their life. The location just happened to be on a college campus. So this makes it better? No, it makes it accurate. That matters in the debate and the work towards finding solutions. |
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 10, 2015 16:04:55 GMT
we are still taught to hide the kids. After an evacuation drill students brought it up all day. I told them what the protocol was. There is chicken wire type stuff on my window, but it a shooter shot the lock, we'd be screwed. My windows open funny. I told my students that protocol was one thing, but if I thought I could get them out safely, I would do it in a heartbeat. When I am in the classroom there is nothing more important than my students. Without getting into the gun debate, I wish schools would change their doors to open in instead of out. You lose some room, but then you could block the door. Also, I would like them to be able to be locked from the inside. Inward opening doors are a danger in case of fire. If a crowd of people get to pushing up against each other the door gets blocked by the people wanting out. In the early 1900s there were several school fires where most of the students perished at the door trying to get out and couldn't because the door needed to swing inward. Laws were the passed to make public doors swing outward to prevent that from happening again. We forget current building codes exist due to horrible experiences. At our gun inservice we were told that one person has died in a school fire since 1968. They were talking about how fireman are angry our windows are covered because they can't do their job, but we have to have them covered since active shooters are now much more likely than a fire anymore. |
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