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Post by Kelpea on Oct 10, 2015 16:44:42 GMT
That's the point I am at now. I work in a middle school. I have no doubt I would do whatever is necessary to protect the kids and it would START with the barricading of the door. Then, if we had a window, they would be getting out that way.
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Post by moveablefeast on Oct 10, 2015 17:39:54 GMT
I think that is the training video we saw at our elementary school. They finally went from telling us to hide our kids to get them the hell out if possible. It also showed us how as a group to attack the gunman. I just sat in that meeting led by the sheriff shaking my head. I am glad I saw the videos because they do give some good advice, but damn, they are scary. we are still taught to hide the kids. After an evacuation drill students brought it up all day. I told them what the protocol was. There is chicken wire type stuff on my window, but it a shooter shot the lock, we'd be screwed. My windows open funny. I told my students that protocol was one thing, but if I thought I could get them out safely, I would do it in a heartbeat. When I am in the classroom there is nothing more important than my students. Without getting into the gun debate, I wish schools would change their doors to open in instead of out. You lose some room, but then you could block the door. Also, I would like them to be able to be locked from the inside. FWIW, there are products that can lock a door from the inside regardless of which way the door swings and which will secure the door if the handle is compromised. I have Nightlock barricades in classrooms in my school and I think they are an excellent product.
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Post by pyccku on Oct 10, 2015 18:37:24 GMT
The one issue I've seen time and again with the drills is that the kids don't take them very seriously. Even with all of the school shootings in the news, I find that when we have a drill there will be giggling, laughing...and kids think it's free time to play on their phones. I've got the door locked, the lights turned off, we're all hiding in the corner of the room - and some idiot decides that it's time to play angry birds or text their friends.
I'd like to think that in a real situation, they'd be a bit better behaved - but our campus is huge and if someone opened fire in one area, we wouldn't hear the shots in other buildings. So if a lock-down is called, they would likely assume it was just another drill. I imagine that word would get around pretty quickly via text - but of course, that means kids using their phones in the dark!
My room is very near an emergency exit that leads out to the street. I honestly think that if there were a shooter on the other side of the campus, I'd have a hard time convincing anyone to hide. People would run to that exit and out the gates as fast as they could. That's probably a better plan than hiding. But our school still does the whole lock-down/hide in the classroom thing rather than having people escape. I guess you can't really run an "escape the campus" drill very easily.
We've talked about it in the past among teachers - I'm at an inner city school and we're pretty sure we have some students carrying weapons every day - they don't pull them out or brag about them, so they don't get caught. In case of an active shooter, I'm sure there would be some kids who are armed and would try to fight back in that way.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 10, 2015 20:31:40 GMT
we are still taught to hide the kids. After an evacuation drill students brought it up all day. I told them what the protocol was. There is chicken wire type stuff on my window, but it a shooter shot the lock, we'd be screwed. My windows open funny. I told my students that protocol was one thing, but if I thought I could get them out safely, I would do it in a heartbeat. When I am in the classroom there is nothing more important than my students. Without getting into the gun debate, I wish schools would change their doors to open in instead of out. You lose some room, but then you could block the door. Also, I would like them to be able to be locked from the inside. Inward opening doors are a danger in case of fire. If a crowd of people get to pushing up against each other the door gets blocked by the people wanting out. In the early 1900s there were several school fires where most of the students perished at the door trying to get out and couldn't because the door needed to swing inward. Laws were the passed to make public doors swing outward to prevent that from happening again. We forget current building codes exist due to horrible experiences. I never thought of that. We do have sone doors that open in.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 11, 2015 19:07:31 GMT
thank you!! It was a drunken brawl that just happened to end up being on the campus grounds. Before the media-frenzy of late, I don't believe this wouldn't have made the national news. Does that make it OK then? Can't you see how wrong the fact that it could have happened anywhere is? Why is a gun needed to end a drunken brawl? It's sickening. ^^^ I didn't say that made it okay... I said if the media frenzy over 'school shootings' wasn't going on, this crime wouldn't have been mentioned on the national stage. It was not a 'school shooting' in the sense that someone went onto a campus and started shooting indiscriminately, so should not (in my opinion) be called one. The media is perpetuating a myth in calling it that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 20:41:28 GMT
^^^ I didn't say that made it okay... I said if the media frenzy over 'school shootings' wasn't going on, this crime wouldn't have been mentioned on the national stage. It was not a 'school shooting' in the sense that someone went onto a campus and started shooting indiscriminately, so should not (in my opinion) be called one. The media is perpetuating a myth in calling it that. I agree with that and many of the numbers counted as "school shootings" are in that same category. Not school shootings at all.
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Post by Kelpea on Oct 14, 2015 17:45:15 GMT
You can call them what you want, but "media frenzy" doesn't really lessen the issues of shooters on campus. We had a great week just this week. (sarcasm) My daughter texted me that they were on lockdown due to a Yik Yak message about how their college was "going to be on the news" that night, and "good luck." A smart student immediately screenshot the message before the perp deleted it. Authorities were on it. Kids sent to dorms and told to stay there. The boy was apprehended; he lived in the dorm next door to my daughter's dorm. He was intending to pull the fire alarm and as kids were leaving the dorms, start shooting. Thankfully it was thwarted. I'm really proud of the kids for handling it as best as they could. But being a freshman away from home for an extended period of time? It's a tough fact of life for the kids, including my own child.
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