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Post by annabella on Oct 11, 2015 0:05:44 GMT
It was on last night and they had 27 of the women (not all). My takeaway was that this happened in a different era and back then one woman explained that rape was to thought to have happened only by strangers, not someone you know. Back then it didn't even occur to them to go to the police because times were different. A few tried telling people they knew who brushed them off. One woman did tell Cosby she was going to the police and he said I'll go to the police too and say you're harassing me and have them throw you in jail. It turned out that one of the women wrote a newspaper article 10 years ago that got little traction. But last year a comedian was on stage telling a joke about Cosby saying that Cosby is always telling Black people how to behave when he's the rapist. That's when the press really paid attention.
With so many women, I think we're at 50 now, it makes me wonder why Cosby did this? Did he not have the charisma to get women to volunteerly have an affair with him? I know Cosby's not attractive, but he was a big star, Dennis Rodman got women. Does he enjoy having sex with passed out women? Maybe he was doing something really kinky to them.
Does anyone believe all these women are lying? Keshia Knight Pulliam was on a talk show earlier this year defending Cosby. I just thought of course Cosby is not going to attack his cast. Keshia was a child, she didn't know who he brought back to his dressing room. I don't know what my co-workers sexual preferences are, that's not something I could ever comment on.
What do you guys think about this whole thing?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 0:09:07 GMT
I think he's a predator.
Rape isn't about having sex. It's about power and control.
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Post by Sparki on Oct 11, 2015 0:09:39 GMT
I think it had to have been a power thing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 0:54:53 GMT
I think it's sad what former castmates have said about the situation. Malcolm Jamal Warner is sad about the legacy of The Cosby Show. He said that is the worst thing to come from this. My take is Bill Cosby has raped numerous women. Just because things were handled differently back then doesn't mean it isn't rape.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 11, 2015 1:08:33 GMT
What Bill Cosby did, isn't about sex. It's about getting away with something, it's about power, and control. It's not sex.
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 11, 2015 2:07:49 GMT
I'm the age of a lot of those women and back in those days to be raped meant in a dark alley by a stranger and even then you had to be able to prove it. If you got raped by a date or someone that you knew, you asked for it and the woman was most always blamed and shamed. Most women didn't report rape back then and some even felt that it was their own fault for not being able to avoid it.
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Post by LeaP on Oct 11, 2015 4:13:33 GMT
I'm glad that Hannibal Buress brought attention to the unfathomable depths of Cosby's hypocrisy. I absolutely believe the women. He is a monster and Buress is right, how dare he tell black people how to behave when he is raping women. It is sickening that he got away with it for such a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 4:46:05 GMT
I think that he has all of the markings of a serial rapist. Rape IS about control. He thrived on abusing his power over these women and was confident that the police or courts would always believe him vs. them. Think back to the 60's when he released a comedy album (or was it in the early '70's?). He had a whole skit about "spanish fly" and how funny it would be to drug and take advantage of a date. Back then we thought it was comedy and no one would really do that. Now I think it's downright disgusting that he did it for decades, he joked about it and he got away with it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 4:50:06 GMT
I think it's sad what former castmates have said about the situation. Malcolm Jamal Warner is sad about the legacy of The Cosby Show. He said that is the worst thing to come from this. My take is Bill Cosby has raped numerous women. Just because things were handled differently back then doesn't mean it isn't rape. I'm very sad about the legacy I thought Bill Cosby was and that is now gone. I grew up with Bill Cosby. Watched Fat Albert and The Cosby Kids all during my formative years. I learned a LOT about standing up for myself and doing the right thing watching that show. I learned a lot of interesting and effective parenting techniques watching him and Phylicia Rashad in The Cosby Show. To now learn that a man I admired and looked up to for most of my life is a degenerate pervert? It shakes my core and makes me so very, very sad. Sad that he did the things he did, and sad for the women he did it to. L |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 5:42:18 GMT
I agree with those saying it was about power and control. I believe those women and think that what happened to them is the real tragedy, not the loss of the legacy of a show.
I also think that Cosby took advantage of Lisa Bonet. If he didn't drug her I think he tried something. At the very least, maybe she walked in on him while he was in a compromising situation. It's the reason that I think she left the show, he gave her own show with Different World and she still left. I think she was never comfortable or couldn't reconcile what she was privy to.
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Post by DinCA on Oct 11, 2015 6:55:31 GMT
I'm very sad about the legacy I thought Bill Cosby was and that is now gone. I grew up with Bill Cosby. Watched Fat Albert and The Cosby Kids all during my formative years. I learned a LOT about standing up for myself and doing the right thing watching that show. I learned a lot of interesting and effective parenting techniques watching him and Phylicia Rashad in The Cosby Show. To now learn that a man I admired and looked up to for most of my life is a degenerate pervert? It shakes my core and makes me so very, very sad. Sad that he did the things he did, and sad for the women he did it to. L I, too, grew up watching The Cosby Show and Fat Albert. I loved the characters he portrayed on television but that's where the admiration stops for me. Every time I saw an interview or heard a clip from his stand-up comedy routines, he demonstrated that the "real" Bill Cosby is disgusting. He is a misogynist, a narcissist, and now he is a serial rapist. And the thought that he likely won't truly pay (at least during his time on this earth) for what he's done, disgusts me, too. ETA: I forgot to say yes, I watched the show last night. These women have nothing to gain from coming forward. There won't be a pay-out or a settlement and he won't be charged or sentenced but they are being heard. People are listening. Even his early staunch supporters are backtracking. One of the things said last night (and I wish I could remember who said it) is that the women hope that by talking about rape, it will stop happening. Men who rape are convinced that women won't report it or that they won't be believed if they do. If we continue to talk about it, maybe it will make a difference, even if it is a small one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 11:57:37 GMT
I think it's sad what former castmates have said about the situation. Malcolm Jamal Warner is sad about the legacy of The Cosby Show. He said that is the worst thing to come from this. My take is Bill Cosby has raped numerous women. Just because things were handled differently back then doesn't mean it isn't rape. I'm very sad about the legacy I thought Bill Cosby was and that is now gone. I grew up with Bill Cosby. Watched Fat Albert and The Cosby Kids all during my formative years. I learned a LOT about standing up for myself and doing the right thing watching that show. I learned a lot of interesting and effective parenting techniques watching him and Phylicia Rashad in The Cosby Show. To now learn that a man I admired and looked up to for most of my life is a degenerate pervert? It shakes my core and makes me so very, very sad. Sad that he did the things he did, and sad for the women he did it to. L I think it's sad as well. I grew up watching The Cosby Show. When Malcom Jamal Warner said that is *the* saddest thing to come from the situation I think that's messed up; a TV show. I'd think women being drugged and raped is the worst thing. |
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Post by hop2 on Oct 11, 2015 12:38:14 GMT
Bill Cosby did this because it is not wrong to him. He's like those asshats on reddit redpill site, those are his people. Men who believe women are for one thing, and that if you came back to their room that constitutes consent. And that if you don't actively say no it's consent.
Next thing you know he'll claim an insanity defense.
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Post by gloryjoy on Oct 11, 2015 12:48:24 GMT
I watched it and found it very emotional, you could see the pain that it has and still causes all these years later.
The fact that he will never be charged and will get away with it (that he won't be found guilty in a courtroom) must be hard to come to terms with for these women.
What a sad legacy for Bill Cosby. I watched the Cosby show every week, never missed it.
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Post by SabrinaM on Oct 11, 2015 12:50:48 GMT
I think it's incredible how he's been able to compartmentalize for so long. He's been untouchable for so long because his good guy persona was so convincing and an easy sell.
I, too, grew up watching Fat Albert and The Cosby Show. The whole thing makes me sad, but I'm proud of the women who are standing up. I think their stories are even more compelling considering they're not after him for his money, but for justice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 18:40:26 GMT
I'm glad the women who've come forward finally felt safe enough to tell their stories. Speaking out against Bill Cosby couldn't be an easy thing to do, so I applaud them for their courage.
I do feel badly for his Cosby Show castmates because they're being punished for things he did. It's possible that no one knew and if they did, they couldn't reconcile the nice guy they knew with a cold-hearted rapist. Heck, I didn't even know him but had a hard time believing a family-oriented man like Cosby would do these things. It goes to show that sometimes the people with the nicest personas are really hiding dark, twisted souls.
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Post by annabella on Oct 11, 2015 19:30:34 GMT
I also think that Cosby took advantage of Lisa Bonet. If he didn't drug her I think he tried something. At the very least, maybe she walked in on him while he was in a compromising situation. It's the reason that I think she left the show, he gave her own show with Different World and she still left. I think she was never comfortable or couldn't reconcile what she was privy to. Wow that's an interesting theory! I thought she was on drugs and just didn't have her life together. I googled this and it said she left the Cosby show because she came to work late and argued with Cosby a lot. Her stint on a Different World was cut short by her pregnancy with Lenny Kravitz,then she went back to the Cosby show. Apparently she's been steadily working in the industry up until now. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 2:17:50 GMT
I'm very sad about the legacy I thought Bill Cosby was and that is now gone. I grew up with Bill Cosby. Watched Fat Albert and The Cosby Kids all during my formative years. I learned a LOT about standing up for myself and doing the right thing watching that show. I learned a lot of interesting and effective parenting techniques watching him and Phylicia Rashad in The Cosby Show. To now learn that a man I admired and looked up to for most of my life is a degenerate pervert? It shakes my core and makes me so very, very sad. Sad that he did the things he did, and sad for the women he did it to. L I, too, grew up watching The Cosby Show and Fat Albert. I loved the characters he portrayed on television but that's where the admiration stops for me. Every time I saw an interview or heard a clip from his stand-up comedy routines, he demonstrated that the "real" Bill Cosby is disgusting. He is a misogynist, a narcissist, and now he is a serial rapist. And the thought that he likely won't truly pay (at least during his time on this earth) for what he's done, disgusts me, too. ETA: I forgot to say yes, I watched the show last night. These women have nothing to gain from coming forward. There won't be a pay-out or a settlement and he won't be charged or sentenced but they are being heard. People are listening. Even his early staunch supporters are backtracking. One of the things said last night (and I wish I could remember who said it) is that the women hope that by talking about rape, it will stop happening. Men who rape are convinced that women won't report it or that they won't be believed if they do. If we continue to talk about it, maybe it will make a difference, even if it is a small one. I was raped 8 years ago, and I didn't report it. I fell for the rapist's fear tactics, despite an exam and report ready to go by my doctor. I feared for my life. I did feel guilt for not reporting it because I found out that rapists continue to become more violent. I tried on my own to warn his next interest (he had blogs, etc.). But, these people count on most women not reporting it, and then they continue on their sick path. |
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Post by brina on Oct 12, 2015 2:44:53 GMT
I can kind of understand Malcolm Jamal Warner's opinion - not saying I agree with it, but I understand it. The Cosby Show was groundbreaking. It was one of the first shows to portray an affluent black family; a successful but not perfect family dealing with life. The characters were nuanced, not caricatures and not stereotypes. Cosby's behavior towards woman heinous, but he created a show that did a lot of good.
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Post by DinCA on Oct 12, 2015 3:23:28 GMT
I do feel badly for his Cosby Show castmates because they're being punished for things he did. It's possible that no one knew and if they did, they couldn't reconcile the nice guy they knew with a cold-hearted rapist. Heck, I didn't even know him but had a hard time believing a family-oriented man like Cosby would do these things. It goes to show that sometimes the people with the nicest personas are really hiding dark, twisted souls. His cast mates are definitely being punished for his actions. It's not just that the show's legacy has been tainted. Many networks have suspended reruns of the The Cosby Show because of his actions. There is HUGE money in syndication and those royalties the cast mates were receiving have either stopped or dwindled. That said, I don't think it does anyone any favors for the cast mates to make statements about how the show or cast mates have suffered because a lost legacy or a loss of income pales in comparison to what has been taken from these women. |
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Post by DinCA on Oct 12, 2015 3:27:24 GMT
I was raped 8 years ago, and I didn't report it. I fell for the rapist's fear tactics, despite an exam and report ready to go by my doctor. I feared for my life. I did feel guilt for not reporting it because I found out that rapists continue to become more violent. I tried on my own to warn his next interest (he had blogs, etc.). But, these people count on most women not reporting it, and then they continue on their sick path. I am so sorry. And equally sorry that you didn't feel like you could report it. Hugs! |
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Post by happymomma on Oct 12, 2015 3:54:44 GMT
I wonder if Phylicia Rashad is still defending him after he admitted to buying quaaludes to have sex with girls, and admitting to have at least one girl paid off to not talk?
Has she ever apologized to these women for bashing them?
I lost all respect for her when she did that. I feel the same way about his wife. I haven't kept up with the case, and I'm going to try to watch that online somewhere.
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Post by julieb on Oct 12, 2015 12:10:53 GMT
I'll never be able to watch another rerun of The Cosby Show. It is the same with Stephen Collins from 7th Heaven. I recently was flicking channels and it popped up (which surprised me as I thought they removed all episodes). He made me cringe also.
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Post by katieanna on Oct 12, 2015 13:34:18 GMT
I watched it and found it very emotional, you could see the pain that it has and still causes all these years later. The fact that he will never be charged and will get away with it (that he won't be found guilty in a courtroom) must be hard to come to terms with for these women. What a sad legacy for Bill Cosby. I watched the Cosby show every week, never missed it. I feel for these women, too. But i hope that they realize that even if Cosby doesn't pay for his crimes legally down here, he will one day have to face Someone much higher than himself. Not only that, but his reputation is completely ruined. He will never again enjoy the status that he once had. He may not now understand the full impact that that will have on the remaining years of his life, but I think as time goes on, he will realize that he truly didn't get away with anything after all. In addition, because of his notoriety, Cosby not only physically, mentally and emotionally harmed those women, but he also - in a way - harmed everyone who looked up to him. Seriously, I think that man has an awful lot to answer for. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 21:52:35 GMT
I was raped 8 years ago, and I didn't report it. I fell for the rapist's fear tactics, despite an exam and report ready to go by my doctor. I feared for my life. I did feel guilt for not reporting it because I found out that rapists continue to become more violent. I tried on my own to warn his next interest (he had blogs, etc.). But, these people count on most women not reporting it, and then they continue on their sick path. I am so sorry. And equally sorry that you didn't feel like you could report it. Hugs! Thank you. I feared for the safety of my children, just as I was warned. He claimed he worked for the government and he could "find me". He knew I had children. It scared me enough not to report it, even though my gynecologist made a report and had it ready to go and he suggested I report it. It's a terrible, scary thing to go through and women usually blame themselves for some of it. It really messes with your head, but that's EXACTLY what rapists do. |
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