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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 15, 2015 19:52:20 GMT
Oh hell no. We would ALL stay home, and we have done just that. When DH's mom was still alive, he told her that we would NOT be bringing our baby to the lake cabin if she was going to smoke inside (yeah, HER cabin, but we flat out refused to go there if she was going to smoke indoors, and she needed our help with most of the maintenance on it). She agreed. When we were there for a long holiday weekend not a month later, she was smoking inside the cabin--right outside the open bedroom door where all of our baby's stuff was!  No, no, NO! I thought DH was going to have a coronary right there. He went totally off on her, hauled all of our stuff right back out to the truck and we went home! Her comment was, "I thought you meant while you were IN the cabin TOO." Ugh! Hello, that smell gets into EVERYTHING, not to mention the airborne tar, nicotine and chemicals that gets on the carpet, furniture, curtains, everything a crawling kid touches and then they stick their hands right in their mouth. No thank you. The woman had breast cancer, uterine cancer, lung cancer and ultimately esophageal cancer which was what finally got her. She died less than a month after our DD's first birthday. I don't need to give my kid a head start on any of that. I realize we can't raise our kid in a bubble, but I also don't think I should needlessly expose her to something that can just as easily be avoided.
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 15, 2015 19:56:40 GMT
Most definitely I would not take my baby or any other children whatever their ages to a smoking environment. I'm a former smoker ( gave it up years ago )so I'm not that unsympathetic for the need to smoke. If it would be just me,I wouldn't like it but I'd put up with it but as far as children/babies go it would be a big no no. They've just brought in a law here in the Uk last week, that smoking in your own car if children are present, is now illegal. I  this law and I wish it was being passed here as well. This is the law in CA (since 2008?) and several other states. I can't help but feel they recycled a very, very old Dear Abby column with this response. I don't think you are wrong at all to protect your baby from secondhand smoke. DS was born 2 weeks before Christmas and I chose to stay home from the family party as several of DH's extended family smoked. My MIL was pretty upset because she wanted to show off the baby. Tines have changed as the older smokers are no longer around and the very few younger smokers all smoke outside.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 15, 2015 19:57:41 GMT
I grew up breathing that shit. At home from my parents and at ALL our extended families houses. It's gross and it smells and it makes me cough. I absolutely would not expose my new baby to that environment. I wouldn't expose my 6 year old to it either. We wouldn't be going. And yes this is a hill I'd be willing to die on with my husband. Fortunately he feels the same way I do Amen! I grew up with it too, and I'm fairly certain that I have diminished lung capacity today because of it. It's disgusting.
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Post by Merge on Oct 15, 2015 20:47:13 GMT
I grew up breathing smoke, too. No way would I subject infant to that. FIL smoked but we made it clear never in the house with the baby and never around the baby/kids, period. He loved his granddaughters and was happy to comply.
Methinks Abby is a smoker to come up with an answer like that.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Oct 15, 2015 20:52:39 GMT
I would not take children (baby or older) into a home where people smoke. Even if they smoke outside while you are there, everything in the home is permeated with that smell... and you will be too when you leave.
My father was a pipe smoker. I used to beg him to quit when I was little to no avail. When I was pregnant with my first, he put the pipes down and never smoked one again. He said he wasn't taking the risk that I would carry out my childhood threats to him.
I feel sorry for smokers who are addicted. It's a disgusting habit and it affects your interactions with others. My husband's aunt & uncle are the only people we are close to who still smoke. I love them, but I hate that smell. Yuck.
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Post by bostonmama on Oct 15, 2015 21:02:14 GMT
The smell alone makes me quite nauseous. Smoking would absolutely be a hindrance to familial relationships for me and my family.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 21:05:48 GMT
My in-laws used to smoke in their home; I would have never dreamed of telling them we couldn't, and we did visit with our young children and babies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 21:07:18 GMT
Watching how my nieces and nephew suffered health wise due to parents who smoked in the home? Not on your life would I take my child at of any young age into a home where there would be smoking allowed indoors.
In fact, it was the one thing I stood my ground on when it came time for us to have kids. My MIL had quit smoking by that time due to health reasons but my FIL still smoked. They had a very large home and he confined his smoking to one room and we spent our visiting time on the opposite side of the house from that room. We also kept our visits short or stayed outside for most of the visit of weather and time of day allowed.
This is one of those things that just is a no brainer choice. Smoke kills. Period. My children rely on me to make smart choices for their well being up until they reached the age where they could make their own decisions.
ETA: It wasn't long after our daughter was an infant that my FIL also stopped smoking. He did it for her and my BIL's daughter of the same age.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Oct 15, 2015 22:10:40 GMT
No way would I let a baby around smokers, even if they went outside to smoke. When I worked on a med/surg floor the attendings always had to ask if the parents were smokers (standard H&P question) and told adults who smoked to smoke outside and THEN to change their clothes before engaging in any physical contact with a child. IMO, Abby is wrong.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 15, 2015 22:25:56 GMT
I'm sure I took my DS. My dad smoked at the time, but smoked outside if we were there. However, it was still in the house. Once older DS was 1 or 2 or so, he started smoking outside exclusively, but it was after DS had a couple of breathing issues (croup and asthma). My grandmother may have smoked in her house, but I can't remember.
After DS developed respiratory issues, we would not go anywhere where they smoked inside.
Oddly, now that my kids are old, I am more vigilant. I wasn't as assertive when I was a young mother.
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Post by maryland on Oct 15, 2015 23:32:53 GMT
I hate smoke! I wouldn't expose my 12, 16 and 18 yr old to smoke! I wouldn't go even if it was my own family.
But I would invite them over to my house and just say that I didn't want to be around the smoke because it bothers me. They could smoke outside. How could they not go without smoking for a few hours to enjoy the new baby, or older child or adult!
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 15, 2015 23:44:41 GMT
My mom smoked before I was born and she later died of lung cancer. Hell no!
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Post by Sue on Oct 15, 2015 23:54:15 GMT
If I had a time machine and could go back to the late 60's/early 70's that is the one thing I would change. Both my husband and I smoked around our 3 children. It just sickens me to admit that knowing what I know now. Thank the good Lord they seem to have survived our ignorance without lasting effect. Now, of course, as a reformed smoker, there is no way I would allow smoking in my home much less allow a child to be in that poisonous atmosphere if given any choice in the matter.
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Post by AnotherPea on Oct 16, 2015 0:09:26 GMT
Why would I want my child around someone that put his selfish desires above the health of my kid?
Does Abby say that it's better to let drunk grandpa drive Johnny around too, so they can spend time together?
Not getting it. I'd rather my child NOT have a relationship with someone that disregarded their health and safety.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 0:38:22 GMT
Why would I want my child around someone that put his selfish desires above the health of my kid? Does Abby say that it's better to let drunk grandpa drive Johnny around too, so they can spend time together? Not getting it. I'd rather my child NOT have a relationship with someone that disregarded their health and safety. When my dd was about 15 mos. old, she had tubes put in her ears, and it was done about 5 days before Christmas. The ENT specifically said do not bring her around cigarette smoke. Dh's aunt always invited us over for Christmas Eve, and he'd been going to her house on Christmas Eve since he was little. His aunt, her husband, all their kids and their spouses smoke, and they all smoked in the house. DH called and told her we wouldn't be able to make it that year because of dd's tubes/smoke. Woman got pissed! She said it was probably best from there on out to spend the holidays separately since there were small kids now. Alrighty then; we've never been invited back, and that was 16 years ago. Seriously, her loss not mine.
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Post by utmr on Oct 16, 2015 0:41:24 GMT
My house my rules. Their house their rules.
That said, it might depend. Is it for a couple hours at their house, or a week? Is the baby otherwise healthy? Are they small enough to keep in a sling or crawling and into everything? Are the smokers going to be in another room or will they blow smoke in the baby's face?
In general I'd rather avoid the smoke, but sometimes you have to weight the situation and make the best decision in a not great situation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 0:42:19 GMT
Apparently if I were a good Pea and good mother, my children would never see or know any of their grandparents. That makes me really sad.
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Post by scrapmaven on Oct 16, 2015 0:53:07 GMT
Don't smoke. Don't go near it and I most certainly wouldn't allow my infant to be near it either.
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Post by AussieMeg on Oct 16, 2015 1:41:27 GMT
Dear Abby says the mom should get over it and stay home, let DH take the baby and he will be fine and the baby can't live in a bubble and that family is more important than a night of second hand smoke. Dear Abby is obviously a twit. No way would I subject a newborn baby - or any child for that matter - to a house full of smoke. In fact I probably wouldn't subject myself to a house full of smoke. If the smokers are too selfish consider the well being of everyone else and smoke outside, I would definitely stay at home. It's bad enough when my in-laws have the extended family over - they all smoke outside but leave the door open so it drifts inside anyway. Blech! (And yes, I used to smoke back in the 80's - even inside!)
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 16, 2015 2:38:07 GMT
Apparently if I were a good Pea and good mother, my children would never see or know any of their grandparents. That makes me really sad. Thankfully my mom had quit a decade or more before DD was born, but MIL smoked and drank heavily. So for those reasons, we would have limited our kid's contact with her anyway. The woman would regularly get falling down drunk around us and there was no way we wanted our kid to see that and think that's a normal thing for people to do. The fact that she also smoked and would get up in the middle of the night to drink and smoke made me worry she was going to accidentally burn the place down when she finally stumbled back to bed. The bottom line is that it's the ADULT'S choice, and that choice is 100% on them. I get it that it's a horrible addiction, but they have to decide what they want more. After DD was born (and I'm sure thousands of times before that) DH begged his mom again to try to quit smoking and drinking. Her exact words were, "I'll quit when I'm dead." And that's exactly how it happened too. That is what's sad. Her cigarettes and booze were more important than her relationship with her kids, more important than her grandkids, more important than her own LIFE. She could come visit us whenever she wanted at our house (which was rare) or we would visit her in the non-smoking areas of her condo complex, so that was what we did.
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Post by brandy327 on Oct 16, 2015 2:38:37 GMT
My mother didn't talk to me for a month after my ds (1st baby) was born because we were planning a visit out there and booked a hotel vs. staying with her. I told her that I didn't want my ds being exposed to all the smoke. She eventually got over it and knows now that when we come out, we don't stay with her. It's bad enough we have to be around the smoke at all when we're outside. And when she comes here to visit, she smokes outside.
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Post by chaosisapony on Oct 16, 2015 2:47:22 GMT
People know that smoking indoors isn't acceptable in my house or other family member's houses. If you smoke you go outside. Since I really can't dictate what other people do in their homes I would probably stay home with the baby.
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Post by marimoose on Oct 16, 2015 2:51:51 GMT
You can't tell people what to do in their own homes but can make concessions as in arranging to meet in a neutral place. No, babies won't die from a little smoke exposure but it isn't good for them at any rate. Babies won't die form a little alcohol exposure either (people numbed babies gums to soothe them when teething) but it certainly is frowned upon these days. We know so much more about the effects of smoke on lungs so where do you draw the line?
My parents both smoked my entire childhood and my brother had tubes in his ears a couple of times, quite possibly from the smoke exposure. I had ear infections all the time. Not worth it to expose children. My babysitter for my first child began smoking and before I had a chance to change sitters (I was young and overwhelmed by everything), my baby had developed an ear infection that we just couldn't get rid of. She built up a tolerance to the antibiotics and ended up with tubes. Seeing your child go through this makes the decision easy. Maybe it was the smoke, maybe not but too coincidental and none of my other three ever had any ear issues. I should have reacted faster and can't believe I didn't because I have been anti cigarettes since I moved out of my parents home. The smell disgusts me.
Nope, wouldn't be attending a party with smokers and that is my choice. Smokers may have the right to smoke but their choice impacts me if I am around them. My choice to not smoke does not impact their health. It doesn't seem fair.
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Post by workingclassdog on Oct 16, 2015 4:00:35 GMT
Never mind the baby, I wouldn't go for my own sanity. Yep.. I can't handle smoke anymore and I don't have health issues.. Smoking is just GROSS.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Oct 16, 2015 4:44:44 GMT
Hell no.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 16, 2015 5:00:23 GMT
Apparently if I were a good Pea and good mother, my children would never see or know any of their grandparents. That makes me really sad. I think some people have just such a strong negative reaction to smoke for an assortment of reasons. I am one of those. I wouldn't keep my kids from knowing their grandparents, but I just couldn't put them IN the home when someone else is smoking in the house. Logically I know that one evening most likely won't hurt a child but I just can't do second hand smoke. It is one of my few soapbox stands. I don't think it makes someone a bad mother; I think we just see the smoke differently.
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Post by M in Carolina on Oct 16, 2015 5:39:05 GMT
I sat on my grandfather's knee while he smoked Marlboros like a chimney. I loved how the smoke would curl through the air and make shapes like the clouds. I lived in NC, and NOBODY knew anything about the effects of 2nd hand smoke in the early 80s. Even when the rest of the country was getting a clue, the tobacco industry, which was NC's biggest "industry" really pressured the media to not report on the dangers. NC is still one of the areas where people still smoke.
It is finally illegal to smoke in public buildings. Dh and I were in Chicago when that law passed there, and it was such a relief.
Dh has had lifelong severe asthma. He wasn't around smoke as an infant, but he almost died from asthma and pneumonia. It turned out that there was BLACK MOLD in the walls of his bedroom.
MIL's father was a coal miner when she was little. The house was heated with coal. She has severe breathing issues. The coal industry also pressured the media and even doctors about diagnosing people with black lung.
It's a horrible thing to see anyone, especially someone you love, not be able to breathe. Poor MIL has had it so bad.
I've had mediastinal emphysema twice--a small lobe in the lung collapses and makes it incredibly difficult to breathe. I had to be hospitalized twice for 4 days and put on oxygen and pain meds because the more you try to breathe normally, the faster the lobe heals.
The second time I had mediastinal emphysema, I was visiting my dad and was around cigarette smoke for less that 5 minutes when we stopped at a small gas station/grill for homemade country ham biscuits that let people smoke inside. I even went outside to get away from the smoke while my dad got the food.
I didn't feel good afterwards and was having a harder and harder time breathing. It got so bad my dad rushed me to the hospital. I was hospitalized for 4 days again. Dad was really scared.
Knowing all of this, I couldn't let any child around smoke.
I would nicely ask my relative to stop the smoking while I visited, but I think a lot of smokers realize the dangers and could understand. I wouldn't threaten, but I'd just ask if they really want to cause the child to suffer.
My grandfather felt so horrible when he finally heard what second hand smoke was doing to us. That's when he finally quit.
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 16, 2015 10:21:12 GMT
Both of my kids had asthma when they were small. We made the decision not to expose them to secondhand smoke at MIL's house and so holidays were split b/w us and BIL's house. Otherwise, we met her somewhere out in the world or she came to us. Although we were adamant that she not smoke in our house, she would often "sneak" cigarettes in our bathroom (as though we wouldn't notice?) until DH told her she wouldn't be welcome if she didn't stop. Our area already has the worst air quality in the country and my kids already struggled because of it, I believed then and still believe now that it's ignorant to put a child in harm's way because of your smoking habit. My husband grew up breathing that crap and although he lives a healthy lifestyle, he has many of the negative health repercussions as if he were the smoker. MIL fought a very short, very ugly battle against lung cancer and died 2 years ago. I don't regret for one second our decision not to take them to her home.
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Post by grinningcat on Oct 16, 2015 12:57:23 GMT
Apparently if I were a good Pea and good mother, my children would never see or know any of their grandparents. That makes me really sad. Knowing how bad being around smokers makes ME feel, there's no way in hell I would bring a child into that kind of toxicity. And considering that smoking is so bad for everyone's health, you would think that the smoker would want to make sure that they are not putting anyone, especially small children, at risk for illness. It may be sad, but what's more important? I would think growing up healthy and modeling healthy habits would be more important than letting smokers around a small child. Especially if they still smoke indoors. There are other ways for relationships to be built beyond putting children into a home full of smoke and second hand smoke and residue.
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Post by mikklynn on Oct 16, 2015 12:58:47 GMT
I might allow older children to visit grandparents who smoke in their home, but not a newborn.
My mother allowed the smokers in our family to smoke in the kitchen when we'd go for Christmas. We all used to spend the whole weekend. Well, that doesn't work because they have an open concept home!
My sister had a baby and had the doctor write on a prescription pad that her infant should not be exposed to secondhand smoke. He couldn't believe that is what it would take, but it worked. Ever since, the smokers have to go outside.
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