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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 16, 2015 13:40:21 GMT
I am a smoker. But I have never smoked while I was pregnant, in my home, or in my car. I do not believe in exposing kids to second hand smoke. But in this situation, honestly, I would simply ask them not to smoke inside around my kids. If that didn't work, I would shift the holiday celebration to my own home where I know smoking will not take place. I think there are so many ways to politely work it out, I see no reason to take a hard stance on this. And I also believe that unless your child is really ill in some way, with asthma, or allergies or chronic ear infections, there's probably little harm in spending a few hours with family at a celebration such as this. But really, I am 40 years old and I understand the dangers of smoke, as do everyone I know. My own MIL stopped smoking in her house when my DSD was born because she has asthma. I really don't see smokers taking a hard line stance on this one. Most smokers I know are well aware of the dangers of their bad habit and are pretty accommodating to the needs of others.
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Post by moveablefeast on Oct 16, 2015 13:41:23 GMT
Why would I want my child around someone that put his selfish desires above the health of my kid? Does Abby say that it's better to let drunk grandpa drive Johnny around too, so they can spend time together? Not getting it. I'd rather my child NOT have a relationship with someone that disregarded their health and safety. I think the difference at least as I see it is that, well, drunk driving isn't something you can put up with for a little while and then go get some fresh air. I can go to my in-laws' house for a little while and then go get some fresh air. I usually get some sinus troubles after a visit so I limit the time we spend there. I'm not advocating chronic secondhand smoke exposure - that would be a very different story for me. The reality is that a few hours of secondhand smoke exposure a couple of times a year is not going to cause death or illness in most healthy people. That is obviously not the case with drunk driving. In our case we are talking about people who love my child but have a bad lifelong habit. Not people who do things like drive her around without a car seat or seatbelt, or leave her unattended for hours on end, or do things that are immediately and directly dangerous. I had to balance that with a relationship with her own family - with the added factor being that they are my husband's parents and I had to weigh the impact to my marriage too. They are good, loving, and decent people. One of them smokes like a chimney and it's awful for sure and it sucks every year when we have to discard some Christmas gifts that can't be ridded of the smoke smell - but secondhand smoke in small exposures is not catastrophic for most healthy people, only annoying. I weighed te risks and benefits for us and made this choice. What we ended up with is that it is an annoyance to put up with the smoke smell in the house and the minor effects of it on us, because for us they are minor. But what we get in return is their love, affection, and wisdom.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 13:55:37 GMT
I could not go because I just can not the smell of smoking or vaping. It makes my chest hurt to even snuff somebody who smokes.
My kids don't need to be around it either.
My husband went once to a party where somebody was smoking. I got so sick from it , he had to wash his clothes and take a very long shower so he no longer goes a parties where smoking is allowed
So no the baby does not need to go.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 16, 2015 14:17:03 GMT
I had bad allergies as a kid that cleared up when I left for college--I am fairly sure my "allergies" were just my father's smoking, even though he only did it in the garage. As an adult, when I have spent any time in a place with active smoking, my body has reacted poorly. I have put up with the reaction to visit smoking relatives, but, now that I have kids, I am not willing to put them in that kind of situation.
I know smoking is a hard habit to break and I also know that smoking relatives love my kids and don't mean any harm. But one of my smoking relatives died from smoking-related illness, and another has to tote an oxygen tank everywhere and can't climb stairs, so my relatives actually do seem to understand that smoking around kids is a bad idea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 14:22:50 GMT
Apparently if I were a good Pea and good mother, my children would never see or know any of their grandparents. That makes me really sad. Knowing how bad being around smokers makes ME feel, there's no way in hell I would bring a child into that kind of toxicity. And considering that smoking is so bad for everyone's health, you would think that the smoker would want to make sure that they are not putting anyone, especially small children, at risk for illness. It may be sad, but what's more important? I would think growing up healthy and modeling healthy habits would be more important than letting smokers around a small child. Especially if they still smoke indoors. There are other ways for relationships to be built beyond putting children into a home full of smoke and second hand smoke and residue. :shrug: I guess because I grew up with smokers for parents and have never felt any ill-will or judgement towards them, that I see this issue differently.
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Post by RosieKat on Oct 16, 2015 15:29:11 GMT
I hate smoking and think it's completely disgusting. But if a child is otherwise healthy, a few hours in that environment aren't going to do anything permanent. If the wife chooses not to go, that's up to her. But a healthy kid will "bounce back" from any negative effects of rare smoke exposure pretty quickly...not having a relationship with extended family has a larger, longer impact. Sure, the DH can request whatever they want, and perhaps the request will be understood and received graciously. But as someone else mentioned - my house, my rules - your house, your rules. Take the kid for a couple of hours, come home and bathe, wash clothes, etc. and it's all good.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 16, 2015 15:31:22 GMT
Apparently if I were a good Pea and good mother, my children would never see or know any of their grandparents. That makes me really sad. I would view it as the grandparent choosing not to have a relationship with my kid. You want a relationship with my baby, you quit smoking. I have very bad reactions to smoke. If I smell cigarette smoke, even outside in an open area, I instantly get a headache and feel like I will vomit. I move my kids away immediately. No way in absolute hell I would ever, ever, for any reason take them to the home of someone who smokes. And, yes, we have had this situation IRL. When I was a baby my great-grandmother smoked. My parents chose not to expose us to her. She died when I was young of a heart attack (you know bc she smoked). I do have a lot of judgment towards smokers. I do think they are nasty and selfish (and smelly and gross) people. I would not care if my child did not have a relationship with them. If you don't want a relationship bad enough to quit smoking, then you don't deserve that relationship. I see shades of gray on a lot of issues. But this is absolute black and white for me. This is absolutely the hill I would die on.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 16, 2015 15:32:27 GMT
People keep saying my house, my rules; their house, their rules.
It's my kid, my rules.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 16:04:11 GMT
Apparently if I were a good Pea and good mother, my children would never see or know any of their grandparents. That makes me really sad. I would view it as the grandparent choosing not to have a relationship with my kid. You want a relationship with my baby, you quit smoking. I have very bad reactions to smoke. If I smell cigarette smoke, even outside in an open area, I instantly get a headache and feel like I will vomit. I move my kids away immediately. No way in absolute hell I would ever, ever, for any reason take them to the home of someone who smokes. And, yes, we have had this situation IRL. When I was a baby my great-grandmother smoked. My parents chose not to expose us to her. She died when I was young of a heart attack (you know bc she smoked). I do have a lot of judgment towards smokers. I do think they are nasty and selfish (and smelly and gross) people. I would not care if my child did not have a relationship with them. If you don't want a relationship bad enough to quit smoking, then you don't deserve that relationship. I see shades of gray on a lot of issues. But this is absolute black and white for me. This is absolutely the hill I would die on. I guess I just don't feel that entitled to make choices for other people or to judge them so harshly for theirs. I wouldn't love my parents any more if they didn't smoke; and I'm not going to make decisions for them about what they can or cannot do, by holding their grandchildren as ransom.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 16, 2015 16:19:05 GMT
I would view it as the grandparent choosing not to have a relationship with my kid. You want a relationship with my baby, you quit smoking. I have very bad reactions to smoke. If I smell cigarette smoke, even outside in an open area, I instantly get a headache and feel like I will vomit. I move my kids away immediately. No way in absolute hell I would ever, ever, for any reason take them to the home of someone who smokes. And, yes, we have had this situation IRL. When I was a baby my great-grandmother smoked. My parents chose not to expose us to her. She died when I was young of a heart attack (you know bc she smoked). I do have a lot of judgment towards smokers. I do think they are nasty and selfish (and smelly and gross) people. I would not care if my child did not have a relationship with them. If you don't want a relationship bad enough to quit smoking, then you don't deserve that relationship. I see shades of gray on a lot of issues. But this is absolute black and white for me. This is absolutely the hill I would die on. I guess I just don't feel that entitled to make choices for other people or to judge them so harshly for theirs. I wouldn't love my parents any more if they didn't smoke; and I'm not going to make decisions for them about what they can or cannot do, by holding their grandchildren as ransom. When the things other people do make healthy people physically ill I have an absolute right to judge. I'm not holding my children ransom, I'm simply making a decision about their health. If you love them and want to have a relationship with them, you will want them to be healthy, too. That includes not smoking and not exposing them to second hand smoke. I don't view smoking as a valid life choice. I put not letting my children around smokers in the same category as not letting my children hang out with drug addicts or alcoholics.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 17:31:43 GMT
Well we had a similar situation for dd's first Christmas. We always went to my MIL's along with BIL and his wife. My youngest BIL lived with her.
She lived in a tiny single wide trailer. She and BIL both smoked like chimneys. It wasn't so bad when she had lived in a larger condo but once she moved to that trailer the smoke was just unbearable for all but the smokers. Every year for Christmas our time there got shorter as we were just too miserable. Eyes running, stuffy noses, itchy throats and coughing. Then we'd feel icky for days.
DD's first Christmas was coming up and dh and I discussed it and neither of us wanted to take DD into that. Nor was not smoking while we were there enough as it was so small and even when they weren't smoking was smoke filled as they pretty much smoked constantly. We invited MIL and BIL to come to our house. We knew she'd complain about the hour drive (she was only 51 so not like she was elderly). So while we didn't have room in our small house for them to stay we offered to pay for a room at the Holiday Inn Express just a few miles away. She wouldn't do it. Refused. Was pissed etc.
Now we still had the big family gathering at dh's grandparents and she came to that. Wouldn't speak to me or dh and barely glanced at dd and didn't hold her etc. It was months before she would talk to us. She finally got over it and agreed to come to our house the next year.
She passed away from lung cancer not even three years later. I'm sad that it had to be that way when she didn't have long to live but we were not going to have our dd in a smoke filled tin can.
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Post by likescarrots on Oct 16, 2015 18:40:32 GMT
I grew up with an entire family that chain smoked (mom, dad, grandma, aunts, uncles, cousins, siblings) and I have to say that I do have resentment that no one bothered to protect me and my health as a child/young adult. I had no idea how bad it was until I moved away from my parents at 21. As a child I was constantly sick with allergies, non-allergic rhinitis, sinus issues, and asthma, and I continue to have issues with all but asthma now that I'm no longer around it. I avoid smoke at all costs as an adult, i will even cross the street if I see someone smoking in the sidewalk. I wish I had been able to have that control when I was a kid.
So yes, I think it is well within a parents rights, and I would even say it is their responsibility to protect their children from second hand smoke.
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Post by AnotherPea on Oct 16, 2015 19:49:23 GMT
I sat on my grandfather's knee while he smoked Marlboros like a chimney. I loved how the smoke would curl through the air and make shapes like the clouds. I lived in NC, and NOBODY knew anything about the effects of 2nd hand smoke in the early 80s. Even when the rest of the country was getting a clue, the tobacco industry, which was NC's biggest "industry" really pressured the media to not report on the dangers. NC is still one of the areas where people still smoke. It is finally illegal to smoke in public buildings. Dh and I were in Chicago when that law passed there, and it was such a relief. Dh has had lifelong severe asthma. He wasn't around smoke as an infant, but he almost died from asthma and pneumonia. It turned out that there was BLACK MOLD in the walls of his bedroom. MIL's father was a coal miner when she was little. The house was heated with coal. She has severe breathing issues. The coal industry also pressured the media and even doctors about diagnosing people with black lung. It's a horrible thing to see anyone, especially someone you love, not be able to breathe. Poor MIL has had it so bad. I've had mediastinal emphysema twice--a small lobe in the lung collapses and makes it incredibly difficult to breathe. I had to be hospitalized twice for 4 days and put on oxygen and pain meds because the more you try to breathe normally, the faster the lobe heals. The second time I had mediastinal emphysema, I was visiting my dad and was around cigarette smoke for less that 5 minutes when we stopped at a small gas station/grill for homemade country ham biscuits that let people smoke inside. I even went outside to get away from the smoke while my dad got the food. I didn't feel good afterwards and was having a harder and harder time breathing. It got so bad my dad rushed me to the hospital. I was hospitalized for 4 days again. Dad was really scared. Knowing all of this, I couldn't let any child around smoke. I would nicely ask my relative to stop the smoking while I visited, but I think a lot of smokers realize the dangers and could understand. I wouldn't threaten, but I'd just ask if they really want to cause the child to suffer. My grandfather felt so horrible when he finally heard what second hand smoke was doing to us. That's when he finally quit. Not quite true. I remember doing a poster on second hand smoke in fourth grade. Because everything else I tried to get my father to quit smoking had failed. I was 9 and had lost my mother the year before and was furious that my father wouldn't take better care of himself. I thought making him feel guilty about what he was doing to his kids might make a difference. That was 1978
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Oct 16, 2015 23:17:58 GMT
My sister had a baby and had the doctor write on a prescription pad that her infant should not be exposed to secondhand smoke. I think that's a brilliant idea! And to frame it and hang it just inside the front door for all to see as they enter to visit the baby.
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Post by samantha25 on Oct 17, 2015 0:18:32 GMT
I studied the effects of second hand smoke on the immune system. I avoid all forms of smoking, if possible. I've researched that smoke/chemicals in clothing have effects. If I can avoid the situation, I will, but sometimes it's unavoidable. For instance, many smokers at my father's outdoor funeral. He died from complications of smoking-related lung cancer.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 17, 2015 1:43:39 GMT
I grew up with an entire family that chain smoked (mom, dad, grandma, aunts, uncles, cousins, siblings) and I have to say that I do have resentment that no one bothered to protect me and my health as a child/young adult. I had no idea how bad it was until I moved away from my parents at 21. As a child I was constantly sick with allergies, non-allergic rhinitis, sinus issues, and asthma, and I continue to have issues with all but asthma now that I'm no longer around it. I avoid smoke at all costs as an adult, i will even cross the street if I see someone smoking in the sidewalk. I wish I had been able to have that control when I was a kid. So yes, I think it is well within a parents rights, and I would even say it is their responsibility to protect their children from second hand smoke. This was my existance growing up too, and I HATED that there was nothing at all that I could do to get away from it. I'm sure as a young child, my hair smelled like it, my clothes smelled like it, all of my stuffed animals, blankets in my bed, everything I owned smelled like that.  All of the walls and ceilings in our house were yellow with cigarette tar stains. Everybody chain smoked all the time. In hindsight I give them a pass because they honestly didn't know any better at the time, but once you know better you need to DO better. I think those relationships ARE important, but so is my own and my family's health. I don't view it as an either/or kind of thing. We did what we could to meet somewhere in the middle with the few smokers left in our family in neutral, non-smoking locations or they could come to our house. That was as much of a compromise as we were going to make.
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Post by M in Carolina on Oct 17, 2015 5:52:05 GMT
I sat on my grandfather's knee while he smoked Marlboros like a chimney. I loved how the smoke would curl through the air and make shapes like the clouds. I lived in NC, and NOBODY knew anything about the effects of 2nd hand smoke in the early 80s. Even when the rest of the country was getting a clue, the tobacco industry, which was NC's biggest "industry" really pressured the media to not report on the dangers. NC is still one of the areas where people still smoke. It is finally illegal to smoke in public buildings. Dh and I were in Chicago when that law passed there, and it was such a relief. Dh has had lifelong severe asthma. He wasn't around smoke as an infant, but he almost died from asthma and pneumonia. It turned out that there was BLACK MOLD in the walls of his bedroom. MIL's father was a coal miner when she was little. The house was heated with coal. She has severe breathing issues. The coal industry also pressured the media and even doctors about diagnosing people with black lung. It's a horrible thing to see anyone, especially someone you love, not be able to breathe. Poor MIL has had it so bad. I've had mediastinal emphysema twice--a small lobe in the lung collapses and makes it incredibly difficult to breathe. I had to be hospitalized twice for 4 days and put on oxygen and pain meds because the more you try to breathe normally, the faster the lobe heals. The second time I had mediastinal emphysema, I was visiting my dad and was around cigarette smoke for less that 5 minutes when we stopped at a small gas station/grill for homemade country ham biscuits that let people smoke inside. I even went outside to get away from the smoke while my dad got the food. I didn't feel good afterwards and was having a harder and harder time breathing. It got so bad my dad rushed me to the hospital. I was hospitalized for 4 days again. Dad was really scared. Knowing all of this, I couldn't let any child around smoke. I would nicely ask my relative to stop the smoking while I visited, but I think a lot of smokers realize the dangers and could understand. I wouldn't threaten, but I'd just ask if they really want to cause the child to suffer. My grandfather felt so horrible when he finally heard what second hand smoke was doing to us. That's when he finally quit. Not quite true. I remember doing a poster on second hand smoke in fourth grade. Because everything else I tried to get my father to quit smoking had failed. I was 9 and had lost my mother the year before and was furious that my father wouldn't take better care of himself. I thought making him feel guilty about what he was doing to his kids might make a difference. That was 1978 Did you live in NC? Doctors knew that smoking caused cancer, emphysema and other illnesses back in the 30s. The tobacco industry had powerful lobbyists that put pressure on the government and even had doctors claim the benefits of smoking in ads through the 30s-60s. I didn't say nobody knew that smoking was deadly, I said that the tobacco industry used their political power and money to keep info like 2nd hand smoking is more dangerous than first hand. That wasn't common knowledge. The tobacco industry has billions set aside in perpetuity to pay claims from former smokers and others affected by smoking. The fact is that the industry lied and the government let them. When my grandfather found out what smoking was doing to us kids, he quit. He felt really bad about it.
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Post by kitbop on Oct 17, 2015 13:06:01 GMT
I wouldn't love my parents any more if they didn't smoke; Yes. But would you feel PROUDER of them for their choices? Kids who see family members smoke have to assume that this is an OK choice because parents and grandparents are the role models...what kid says "what my grandpa does is bad" in their head? It's very hard for kids to be told something is bad, but truly believe that close family members are chosing something bad. I would view it as the grandparent choosing not to have a relationship with my kid. I wouldn't keep a kid from a grandparent because they smoked (we don't) but you DON'T smoke near my child. Also, when their quality time with the grandchildren is shortened by smoking (COPD, cancer, whatever) this quote is all too true in a different way. And remember, it's like seatbelt laws: not EVERYONE is going to die from smoking, but the risk is high enough to stop. In my mind, smoking should be illegal and it's only the tobacco industry and economy that keep it around. Quoted from WHO: -Tobacco kills up to half of its users. -Tobacco kills around 6 million people each year. More than 5 million of those deaths are the result of direct tobacco use while more than 600 000 are the result of non-smokers being exposed to second-hand smoke.
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Post by katybee on Oct 17, 2015 14:03:33 GMT
I grew up around smokers. I have had to breathe lots of lots of secondhand smoke. Even though I have never actually smoked a cigarette myself… NEVER... I now have asthma and possibly lung cancer ( I have my second CT scan this week ). So no way in hell would I ever expose a child of any age to secondhand smoke.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 15:21:54 GMT
I wouldn't love my parents any more if they didn't smoke; Yes. But would you feel PROUDER of them for their choices? Honestly? No. I am really supportive and admire how much work it takes when any of them have quit smoking, but I don't feel any sense of greater pride.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 16:56:41 GMT
I grew up around smokers. I have had to breathe lots of lots of secondhand smoke. Even though I have never actually smoked a cigarette myself… NEVER... I now have asthma and possibly lung cancer ( I have my second CT scan this week ). So no way in hell would I ever expose a child of any age to secondhand smoke. Good luck with your scan...I hope you get positive results. Praying for you.
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Post by likescarrots on Oct 17, 2015 19:57:22 GMT
I grew up around smokers. I have had to breathe lots of lots of secondhand smoke. Even though I have never actually smoked a cigarette myself… NEVER... I now have asthma and possibly lung cancer ( I have my second CT scan this week ). So no way in hell would I ever expose a child of any age to secondhand smoke. I'm so sorry you're dealing with that  It is honestly one of my biggest fears, that I will die of a smoking related illness though I've never smoked a cigarette in my life. Really unfair.
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Post by pierkiss on Oct 17, 2015 22:29:57 GMT
I grew up around smokers. I have had to breathe lots of lots of secondhand smoke. Even though I have never actually smoked a cigarette myself… NEVER... I now have asthma and possibly lung cancer ( I have my second CT scan this week ). So no way in hell would I ever expose a child of any age to secondhand smoke. I'm so sorry you are dealing with this. I am so terrified of something like this happening to be through absolutely no fault of my own but for my family's dumb choices. Prayers that it's not Cancer!!!
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Post by pridemom on Oct 17, 2015 22:45:36 GMT
I don't see why you can't tell him not to smoke while you are there. If you can compromise, why can't he? If he wants to see his grandchild, he can smoke outside for a few hours. It's his house. He can just as easily say if I want her to see them, I can put up with it for a few hours. I wouldn't take well to him telling me that I am allowing him to smoke in my house. Why should he take well to me telling him he is not allowed to smoke in his? Not smoking inside for a few hours doesn't negate the years and decades of smoking indoors all the time anyway. It's not like you escape it when the cigarette isn't lit. So the issue isn't compromise anymore - it's me telling him what he can and can't do in his own house, which I'm unwilling to do. Third hand smoke is as bad as second hand. Every time some walks on carpet or sits on the couch, the chemicals get put back into the air. I worked with a respiratory therapist that presented on third hand smoke.
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Post by rickmer on Oct 17, 2015 23:41:26 GMT
didn't read all replies but no. my in-laws smoked like crazy in a small apartment in a house. MIL/SIL always smoked around my niece. when DD came along, it wasn't even a question. we went to in-law's for christmas one year and said before we arrived, "please no smoking while we are there with the baby". my MIL told all their guests and everyone went outside to smoke. when we left, as soon as we closed the door, i swear to god you could hear a collective symphony of 15 lighters striking up at the same time!
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 17, 2015 23:57:33 GMT
I would view it as the grandparent choosing not to have a relationship with my kid. You want a relationship with my baby, you quit smoking. I have very bad reactions to smoke. If I smell cigarette smoke, even outside in an open area, I instantly get a headache and feel like I will vomit. I move my kids away immediately. No way in absolute hell I would ever, ever, for any reason take them to the home of someone who smokes. And, yes, we have had this situation IRL. When I was a baby my great-grandmother smoked. My parents chose not to expose us to her. She died when I was young of a heart attack (you know bc she smoked). I do have a lot of judgment towards smokers. I do think they are nasty and selfish (and smelly and gross) people. I would not care if my child did not have a relationship with them. If you don't want a relationship bad enough to quit smoking, then you don't deserve that relationship. I see shades of gray on a lot of issues. But this is absolute black and white for me. This is absolutely the hill I would die on. I guess I just don't feel that entitled to make choices for other people or to judge them so harshly for theirs. I wouldn't love my parents any more if they didn't smoke; and I'm not going to make decisions for them about what they can or cannot do, by holding their grandchildren as ransom. I may not love my father anymore for when he started smoking outside or when he finally quitish (I think he still has one now and then), but it has absolutely helped foster our relationship. When the house had smoke we couldn't stay as long. We had to take showers and wash out clothes when we got home and sometimes we couldn't go at all. I do think refusing to smoke outside at least we the grandchildren are there is a selfish stance unless there are mobility issues. My grandparents smoked, indoors I beleive, when I was young and I never thought too much of it. 5 out of their 8 grandchildren ended up being smokers (although only 1 of their 4 children did and she quit). Out of those 5 grandkids, only I have quit. We all started as young teens. I think being around smoke normalizes it. I am thankful that there is now an indoor smoking ban.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 18, 2015 2:26:51 GMT
I grew up around smokers. I have had to breathe lots of lots of secondhand smoke. Even though I have never actually smoked a cigarette myself… NEVER... I now have asthma and possibly lung cancer ( I have my second CT scan this week ). So no way in hell would I ever expose a child of any age to secondhand smoke. I'm so sorry you're dealing with that  It is honestly one of my biggest fears, that I will die of a smoking related illness though I've never smoked a cigarette in my life. Really unfair. Ditto, and ditto. 
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Oct 18, 2015 20:35:14 GMT
This was mt experience.
My Mom smoked heavy when i was a kid. I moved out for college and that's when I realized how bad her house reeked. I could not visit in her house because the smell affected me in a negative way. When I had my first kid there was no way I was going to expose him to that. When my parents moved into a new house my mom decided to only smoke outside since my sisters also decided their kids wouldn't be exposed to that. they had to get new furniture since the smoke smell was embedded in it.
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Post by AnotherPea on Oct 18, 2015 21:12:52 GMT
Not quite true. I remember doing a poster on second hand smoke in fourth grade. Because everything else I tried to get my father to quit smoking had failed. I was 9 and had lost my mother the year before and was furious that my father wouldn't take better care of himself. I thought making him feel guilty about what he was doing to his kids might make a difference. That was 1978 Did you live in NC? Doctors knew that smoking caused cancer, emphysema and other illnesses back in the 30s. The tobacco industry had powerful lobbyists that put pressure on the government and even had doctors claim the benefits of smoking in ads through the 30s-60s. I didn't say nobody knew that smoking was deadly, I said that the tobacco industry used their political power and money to keep info like 2nd hand smoking is more dangerous than first hand. That wasn't common knowledge. The tobacco industry has billions set aside in perpetuity to pay claims from former smokers and others affected by smoking. The fact is that the industry lied and the government let them. When my grandfather found out what smoking was doing to us kids, he quit. He felt really bad about it. Yep, lived in NC at the time.
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