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Post by hop2 on Oct 16, 2015 1:29:08 GMT
Those were some awesome critiques this episode.
If I ever go back to design I wish I could have just one Tim gunn critique!!! These people are so lucky.
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 16, 2015 2:45:50 GMT
I was wondering if they were going to use the extra episode they should have from when Jake? quit and save everyone. I think Ashley is on borrowed time even though this week was 1000% better than previous weeks.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 16, 2015 17:31:55 GMT
Is this last nights Project runway thread? Was looking for one? assume this is it? Like WTH??? I am really disappointed in Ashley! UGH. I thought she was a goner. Can Tim save anyone til the end? or does it end at so many left?
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Post by flute4peace on Oct 16, 2015 19:26:12 GMT
I was wondering if they were going to use the extra episode they should have from when Jake? quit and save everyone. I think Ashley is on borrowed time even though this week was 1000% better than previous weeks. I agree.
I really enjoyed this episode! No drama, just designing. This is why I watch the show.
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Post by wrongwayfeldman on Oct 16, 2015 19:40:36 GMT
I think he's out of time with the save, am I right? I figured he'd save Merline just to fill out the week they lost when that other guy went home, but I guess not.
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 16, 2015 20:07:05 GMT
I get the feeling that Ashley at one point would have gotten the save but she has been awful since she broke down. I liked that she acknowledged how well Candace used the challenge.
Though I think Kelly fit the Avant Garde theme best, I think Candice's used the 3D material best. Glad Candace got the nod from Mel B to use the dress for an event.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 16, 2015 20:08:57 GMT
I get the feeling that Ashley at one point would have gotten the save but she has been awful since she broke down. I liked that she acknowledged how well Candace used the challenge. Though I think Kelly fit the Avant Garde theme best, I think Candice's used the 3D material best. Glad Candace got the nod from Mel B to use the dress for an event. Totally agree. Candace’s gown was gorgeous with the godet hem, great fit, and flattering placement of her 3D printed elements. Although as far as avant-garde, Kelly’s was outlandish and inventive (even if a bit literal in interpretation) thus, satisfying the challenge. I liked Edmond’s, too, with the daring bodice. Altogether, I think it was an improvement from previous episodes.
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 16, 2015 20:20:58 GMT
I get the feeling that Ashley at one point would have gotten the save but she has been awful since she broke down. I liked that she acknowledged how well Candace used the challenge. Though I think Kelly fit the Avant Garde theme best, I think Candice's used the 3D material best. Glad Candace got the nod from Mel B to use the dress for an event. Totally agree. Candace’s gown was gorgeous with the godet hem, great fit, and flattering placement of her 3D printed elements. Although as far as avant-garde, Kelly’s was outlandish and inventive (even if a bit literal in interpretation) thus, satisfying the challenge. I liked Edmond’s, too, with the daring bodice. Altogether, I think it was an improvement from previous episodes. At first I didn't care for Kelly but she definitely has a naive/new perspective on design that doesn't seem as contrived and jaded as some. The others were nearly sneering at her for being so literal, but that is so Kelly, she really doesn't overthink it. I liked Edmond's but agree with the judges that it didn't quite hit the mark. And I am going to put this out there. I was OK about Kini's umbrella dress because I understood the concept, but WTH Merline - I kept thinking if she had just flipped her panels for the width at the knee and then hugged tight the booty etc. it would have made a more fun and interesting profile.
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Post by imsirius on Oct 16, 2015 21:16:05 GMT
That was the best episode of the season. The clothes were awesome, however, I wish for the days when Avant garde meant over the top. I loved the first seasons where they went all out with Avant Garde and I miss that.
I thought Candice's dress was beautiful but certainly just red carpet. Ashley's was miles better than anything she's done in the past few weeks, but again, not avant garde. More lingerie to me than anything. Edmund's dress was beautiful and I loved his X theme. It was fabulous. Kelly's dress was literal and worked, she was lucky. I didn't like the material or the concept but that's me. My DH, who never watches the show with me, said "She made a dress with two built in tables for her beer and her wings" LOL...he also asked "is that girl Boy George's sister?" Now I'm going to look at Kelly and see Boy George because last night, she DID look like him lol.
Merline's dress immediately reminded me of Kini's umbrella dress. I said it in the workroom and I was surprised Tim didn't pick up on it. He may have and it wasn't shown. I thought he might bring out the save and was surprised when he didn't.
I really thought Ashley should have gone. The cape was awful with the big white blobs of 3D pieces. I hated the underwear showing through the pants. So tacky to me. If she wanted to do a cape, (which was last minute I know) she could have gone so much more avant garde. I didn't get the reference to a bridge either.
Personally, I thought Edmond should have been given the win. Kelly's was really ugly.
SO excited for next week with bitchy Cristian Siriano!!!
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 16, 2015 21:26:49 GMT
Yeah, I have been calling Kelly Boy George for weeks here at home... I think Kelly got it because it really was the only one that was near being avant garde.
My DS came down while I was watching and asked what avant garde was and I said - basically a walking Art Piece.
I completely agree about Ashley's pieces - I actually thought it was a bit Dracula with the cape and white plastic teeth!!!
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Post by imsirius on Oct 16, 2015 22:29:12 GMT
I will admit, I laughed when Heidi said "You know those buzzer things you use to cut your hair". I had to agree.
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 16, 2015 23:33:50 GMT
OMG. Boy George! That's exactly who she reminds me of. Too funny. I'm still giggling.
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Post by jackie on Oct 17, 2015 12:14:17 GMT
My dh has been calling Kelly Boy George since day one. The funny thing is, under the Boy George hair and makeup, she's a very pretty girl. Plus we both love that she works at a deli and is not professionally trained as a designer. I was so glad she won this challenge. I felt her design was the only one that was truly avante gard. The others nudged it but weren't quite there. I did think there were some really cool and beautiful designs this week though.
This is one of the few shows that my dh will watch with me. He's a very artsy, creative guy so this def appeals to him. Like me, he's always been a big Tim Gunn fan, but he's actually kind of mad at him. Even though Swapnil has been slacking, he thinks Tim was out of line with the way he talked to him last week. He said if he was Swapnil, he wouldn't have put up with it and would have to have said something back. I told him that we are probably not seeing everything. He still didn't like it. While I still love Tim, I kind of see what he's saying. And I think Tim's treatment of Swapnil helped contribute to his client not working as well with him. Also, and again I still love him, I think the way Tim talked about the judges at that event one of the peas posted about was a little out of line. It's one thing to talk about disagreeing with them, but the lengths he went to, especially about Heidi and making fun of her dress, was unprofessional. She's a long time friend and colleague--that was just too much. Don't chase me out of here with pitchforks --I know Tim is beloved (by me too); It's just something I feel.
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Post by Scrapbrat on Oct 17, 2015 12:23:12 GMT
I don't think the others designers were being jaded and sneering at Kelli when she saud she was doing a literal interpretation. Anyone who has ever seen PR has seen many designers get called out for being too literal when the source was supposed to be an inspiration. Literal usually crosses the line into costume. I think that Kelli won, and rightly so, because hers was the only really over-the-top design. I loved both Edmond's and Candace's gowns, but neither was avant garde to me.
Tim had said in that talk that was posted that as soon as the lazy designer was gone, the designs improved immensely and everyone stepped up their game. I think that was a totally correct statement.
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Post by imsirius on Oct 17, 2015 13:46:42 GMT
Tim had said in that talk that was posted that as soon as the lazy designer was gone, the designs improved immensely and everyone stepped up their game. I think that was a totally correct statement. Not only that, but he wasn't there to distract them either! From the other shows, you saw him over with them a lot more than other designers have. They also got distracted worrying about him being behind all the time. Something I forgot to mention that really bugged me was after Kelli, Candice, and Edmund got back to the stew room, Edmund, congratulates Kelli on her win, then congratulates Candice on having Mel ask for her dress. Then Candice makes it ALL about her. HER DREAM, I'm so awesome, Mel asked for my dress. Kelli tried to speak about having the win made her feel great and then Candice shrugged her off again and said "MY DREAM COME TRUE." That was just rude I thought. Let Kelli have her double win and crow about your dress later.
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Post by pjaye on Oct 17, 2015 14:16:14 GMT
Also, and again I still love him, I think the way Tim talked about the judges at that event one of the peas posted about was a little out of line. It's one thing to talk about disagreeing with them, but the lengths he went to, especially about Heidi and making fun of her dress, was unprofessional. She's a long time friend and colleague--that was just too much They are making a reality TV show about sewing clothes, I don't think the word "professional" is something that they need to concern themselves with. Tim isn't the lackey here and the judges aren't his bosses, the people who make the TV show are the bosses of all of them, as far as I am concerned they are all on equal footing and Tim doesn't have to bow down to them and watch what he says in public. Why can't he have his own opinions about the TV show he works on? and why can't he disagree with the others who work on the same show? Heidi has been involved in the fashion industry for a long time, I'm sure she's heard a lot worse from some of her gay male friends/designers. She's also been on many worst dressed lists, so it probably comes as no surprise and that yellow thing was hideous and she would have heard that from almost everyone, not just Tim. I like Tim for telling the truth and saying what he thinks and not playing "we're all best friends here" if that isn't the truth.
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Post by peabay on Oct 17, 2015 14:24:41 GMT
My mom stood on line behind Tim Gunn at a grocery store a few years ago. She didn't realize it at first and then she just blurted out: "OMG, Tim Gunn! I love you!" and he very warmly smiled, touched her arm and said: "Thank you. I love you too."
She felt like such a loser - she was like: 'couldn't I have come up with something more clever?" But he was lovely and kind - just like you think he'd be.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Oct 17, 2015 16:15:02 GMT
While Candace & Edmund's dresses were lovely, that wasn't the challenge! I'm surprised how it was mentioned, but almost glossed over. It was the avant garde challenge. If you're dress isn't out there and almost unwearable, it isn't avant garde. While I (nor most people, I would guess) wouldn't be caught dead in Kelli's dress, she did a nice job and it was the only one that truly met the challenge. I was already annoyed w/the judges, and this just made it worse.
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Post by blarneygirl on Oct 17, 2015 16:58:22 GMT
While Candace & Edmund's dresses were lovely, that wasn't the challenge! I'm surprised how it was mentioned, but almost glossed over. It was the avant garde challenge. If you're dress isn't out there and almost unwearable, it isn't avant garde. While I (nor most people, I would guess) wouldn't be caught dead in Kelli's dress, she did a nice job and it was the only one that truly met the challenge. I was already annoyed w/the judges, and this just made it worse. I have to agree. I think that's why this episode bothered me. While the designs were better, Kelli is really the only one who truly followed the challenge. I had such high expectations since this episode was billed as a win with the designers really stepping it up. There's just no way they couldn't know what avant garde means, and no one went there except Kelli.
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Post by Peal on Oct 17, 2015 18:11:11 GMT
First I just have to say that Ashley's outfit looked like a low rate superhero. Kind of like the one you would see on The Tick. Blech.
My son was watching with me and was questioning Kellie's design. I had to explain that Avant Garde meant wearable art. It isn't meant to be worn everyday, or at all necessarily, it's meant to make an artistic statement. And she really was the only one who did it. They had such a great opportunity with the 3D printing and the inspiration. And they failed. I think the judges were impressed that there was some actual design this week they glossed over the fact that they failed to meet the challenge. They had lowered the bar so far for them all season that it isn't very hard for them to step over it at this point.
And I was happy to see the Ashely didn't burst into tears once this episode, that we saw. Based on next weeks preview, she's back to the weeping.
My oldest came in at the end and I explained the challenge and he wanted to know what language they were using for the printer and how the designers were doing with it as he doubted their abilities. I told him that the printing was being done be actual programmers. He wants a 3D printer so he's been studying them out. That was the only thing about the show he found interesting.
I thought is was a little odd that Candace was so..shocked.. that the programming company they used was owned and operated by a woman. Why should that be notable?
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 18, 2015 3:56:15 GMT
My mom stood on line behind Tim Gunn at a grocery store a few years ago. She didn't realize it at first and then she just blurted out: "OMG, Tim Gunn! I love you!" and he very warmly smiled, touched her arm and said: "Thank you. I love you too." She felt like such a loser - she was like: 'couldn't I have come up with something more clever?" But he was lovely and kind - just like you think he'd be. OK that is adorable of both of them.
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 18, 2015 4:00:15 GMT
While Candace & Edmund's dresses were lovely, that wasn't the challenge! I'm surprised how it was mentioned, but almost glossed over. It was the avant garde challenge. If you're dress isn't out there and almost unwearable, it isn't avant garde. While I (nor most people, I would guess) wouldn't be caught dead in Kelli's dress, she did a nice job and it was the only one that truly met the challenge. I was already annoyed w/the judges, and this just made it worse. I have to agree. I think that's why this episode bothered me. While the designs were better, Kelli is really the only one who truly followed the challenge. I had such high expectations since this episode was billed as a win with the designers really stepping it up. There's just no way they couldn't know what avant garde means, and no one went there except Kelli. I think the previous work this season made them afraid to go for it. Kelli is in her own world so she just did her own thing because that is what she does. The others were more worried about being criticized for going too far. And although I liked the "X" theme with Edmond's I thought his 3D printing was more like a label than a design element. The more I think about it, the more this should have been a challenge that Merline excelled at, I actually was more inspired by the way she was going before her time with Tim.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 18, 2015 12:06:56 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but did they not in the past show the save being used at the begginning of the next episode?
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 18, 2015 13:12:44 GMT
I chuckled at Heidi. She talks about breasts and cleavage with such...reverence. Correct me if I'm wrong but did they not in the past show the save being used at the begginning of the next episode? They've done it both ways.
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Post by hosschick on Oct 18, 2015 14:13:45 GMT
I've enjoyed reading these threads this season. I'm usually running behind so I don't often comment, but I just wanted to let everyone know I enjoy the opinions and insights. I agree that Kelly had the only avant garde look and should've won based on that alone, although her use of 3d bricks on her belt line seemed like a cop-out. Last week, though, I thought it was ridiculous that she made the girl the same overalls she was wearing to start with and that the judges couldn't stop about how wonderful it was. I do like her, she does look like Boy George (LOL! I won't be able to unsee that now), and I guess I'm glad she's still there since she at least seems to be creating. Candace's dress was great and I like how she used the print, but it's "just" a stunning dress. I like Edmond and would wear (hypothetically speaking - let's pretend I have the right body) almost everything he makes. Ashley's cape was ridiculous; I liked nothing about it. I think she's lucky that she started out strong and has managed to continue creeping along. I would've sent her home a few times already. Merline... I don't always like what she does, but at least I feel like she tries, and I like her goofy positive energy. I'm disappointed Swapnil ended up fizzling away as he did. The work of his I've seen is just stunning, and I admit I enjoyed seeing him on my screen. Finale collection related spoiler: It's interesting to me that Swapnil is out because he definitely presented one of the most compelling collections at Fashion Week. The only thing I can add to this thread is that a friend of mine was a PR model some years ago, and she has nothing but wonderful things to say about Tim Gunn. She said he was always very warm and supportive.
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Post by gale w on Oct 18, 2015 17:07:45 GMT
I think swapnil just doesn't do well with a short time limit.
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Post by jackie on Oct 18, 2015 22:07:33 GMT
Also, and again I still love him, I think the way Tim talked about the judges at that event one of the peas posted about was a little out of line. It's one thing to talk about disagreeing with them, but the lengths he went to, especially about Heidi and making fun of her dress, was unprofessional. She's a long time friend and colleague--that was just too much They are making a reality TV show about sewing clothes, I don't think the word "professional" is something that they need to concern themselves with. Tim isn't the lackey here and the judges aren't his bosses, the people who make the TV show are the bosses of all of them, as far as I am concerned they are all on equal footing and Tim doesn't have to bow down to them and watch what he says in public. Why can't he have his own opinions about the TV show he works on? and why can't he disagree with the others who work on the same show? Heidi has been involved in the fashion industry for a long time, I'm sure she's heard a lot worse from some of her gay male friends/designers. She's also been on many worst dressed lists, so it probably comes as no surprise and that yellow thing was hideous and she would have heard that from almost everyone, not just Tim. I like Tim for telling the truth and saying what he thinks and not playing "we're all best friends here" if that isn't the truth. I'm not sure why the word "professional" can't apply to a show about fashion designing. In fact, I think Tim would probably disagree with you on that one too. I also don't think I ever implied that Tim is a lackey, that the judges are his bosses, or that he has to bow down to them. In fact, I love it when Tim stands up for himself and I actually wish he would do it MORE in the presences of the judges. But, I don't say deliberately rude or embarrassing things in public about my boss, my colleagues or my subordinates. It has nothing to do with who's in charge of whom; it just has to do with common courtesy. I also never said he can't have his own opinions; I mean you're just being silly. Whomever or whatever Heidi has heard from other designers, gay or otherwise, is irrelevant. I just think that as a friend (or former friend)/co-worker what he said was not very nice. I know Tim is very beloved. I love him as well, but in this instance, I'm not impressed with his behavior. You don't agree, that's fine. But this has nothing to do with him being a lackey or not allowed an opinion. I would be saying the same thing if Heidi was making fun of Tim. No one is going to die from someone talking about someone's dress being ugly (Joan Rivers has been doing it for years); I just think Tim is better than that and I'm a tad disappointed. Peabay, I LOVE your mom's encounter with Tim Gunn. Now THAT sounds like classic Tim. I truly do love the guy. I can love him without loving absolutely everything he says or does. My dh doesn't even do that! I agree with the Pea who said that Candice completely overshadowed Kellie's win by making it all about her and Mel wearing her design. I still am not sure how I feel about her--I go back and forth on her. Also, I would be curious what her life is like outside of Project Runway. Does anyone remember at the beginning when they showed her home? That was a beautiful home and if I remember correctly, it was in an area of California where homes that big and beautiful are very expensive. Does anyone remember that being addressed? Does she already have a very successful label?
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 19, 2015 0:08:16 GMT
jackie, I also noticed Candice's home and figured she has a spouse with a nice weekly paycheck. And I understand everything you're saying about Tim, last week's tone, and him "talking out of school." We can love him and not like every choice he makes. (Kinda' like I just told my son. Heh.)
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