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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 4:02:39 GMT
Poor girl. No matter what happened it sounds traumatic. Why wasn't she there with friends?
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Post by DEX on Nov 1, 2015 4:09:25 GMT
If I walked into a bar (not likely) and saw someone screaming and police rushing in moments later, I would probably post here to try to figure out what TF happened.
Surreal. I would be so amazed, I wouldn't know what to think. As I get older, I tend to engage less. I would likely think that someone on Halloween was with friends is drunk or on drugs. Seriously, if you engage every holiday ( St Patrick's, sports events, New Years, etc.) you might be considered a "rescuer" and not in a good way.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Nov 1, 2015 12:10:22 GMT
I'd think someone slipped something in her drink or she took something and she was having a bad trip, This! I hope for her sake someone called an ambulance for her and didn't just put her outside! |
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Post by maureen on Nov 1, 2015 13:11:44 GMT
Your words, my emphasis. Your compassion astounds me.  And yes, while I think this was likely a drugs/alcohol situation, people with OI (osteogenesis imperfecta aka. brittle bones) can have a leg break while just standing somewhere. And with a femur break, you would be screaming. I am always amazed that some women will see another woman in obvious distress and do absolutely nothing to assist the one in distress. Sorry but if I saw a potentially drunk/high individual in a club screaming for no apparent reason I wouldn't intervene either. You have no idea of their state of mind or propensity for physical altercation. Sorry, but that's the bouncer's job not mine. My personal safety is my first concern, in a situation like this one. |
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Post by moodyblue on Nov 1, 2015 13:14:37 GMT
And yes, while I think this was likely a drugs/alcohol situation, people with OI (osteogenesis imperfecta aka. brittle bones) can have a leg break while just standing somewhere. And with a femur break, you would be screaming. I am always amazed that some women will see another woman in obvious distress and do absolutely nothing to assist the one in distress. Sorry but if I saw a potentially drunk/high individual in a club screaming for no apparent reason I wouldn't intervene either. You have no idea of their state of mind or propensity for physical altercation. Sorry, but that's the bouncer's job not mine. My personal safety is my first concern, in a situation like this one. You don't have to personally try to do something for the person, but you CAN see if the bouncer or another employee has called for help or done something to make sure the person in distress gets help. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 13:17:21 GMT
Your words, my emphasis. Your compassion astounds me. I've been in plenty of bars/concerts with someone who is freaking out. It isn't my place to take care of them... I have asked people if they are OK, and offered water, or a hand up, but usually they don't want it. I'm not a trained medical professional, and I can't pick up someone who's bigger than I am. It's not a lack of compassion, it's lack of skill and also not my business to take care of every person at a public venue who gets fucked on their drug of choice. |
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 1, 2015 13:29:09 GMT
Wow. My first thought was that this was some kind of odd Halloween joke/prank/show. Like performance art. My second thought after seeing the responses was drugs or waaaay too much alcohol.
I can tell you that if I had seen that I absolutely would have not intervened. You have no idea what is running through that woman's head, what she took, or what she is perceiving as reality in that moment. If she was on some kind of drug and was hallucinating I highly doubt she would have been able to tell the difference between someone trying to help and someone trying to harm her. I don't know about you guys but I go to a bar to have fun, not to act as a first responder or therapist when someone is freaking the fuck out. And if that makes me a heartless bitch or a horrible human then so be it. But I am not going to put myself in harms way to help a total stranger in a very public place who is flipping out.
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Post by bluepoprocks on Nov 1, 2015 13:39:32 GMT
Bath salts? That stuff will make you do some weird stuff. We had a guy on bath salts come in to our nursing home lock himself in an office screaming "they" were trying to kill him and then trashed the office. It was so scary thank God they were able to keep him away from the residents. We also have a guy who lives by me who uses bath salts and comes out of his house screaming and rips all his clothes off and runs down the street naked.
I don't know much about illegal drugs so if bath salts the drug is spelled differently than the bath salts for your tub I apologize.
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Post by maureen on Nov 1, 2015 13:40:07 GMT
You don't have to personally try to do something for the person, but you CAN see if the bouncer or another employee has called for help or done something to make sure the person in distress gets help. I know a lot of people feel the way you indicated, Maureen. I guess I just wish people had some sort of sign on them, "I don't watch out for others, it's not my job". Obviously, that is a crazy concept, but it sure would make it easier for me to know who I would be wasting my time on. Getting help for someone who needs help is not that hard, but it does inconvenience someone for a bit. Some people consider that just part of being a responsible adult, and others don't. Both sides will probably never really understand each other. Ugh this place and its perfection. What a burden it must be to carry the weight of the world on your shoulders. Now go back and read what I actually wrote which was I wouldn't intervene in this situation. Not that I would never intervene. Not that I won't watch out for others ever. Not that I'm heartless and eat the still beating hearts of puppies. But that in this situation as described I wouldn't get involved. Others were already speaking to the potentially drunk/high screaming girl. Others were already involved. I get involved when necessary, based on what was described it wasn't necessary. Brand me with your sign if you must, I hope your judges robe and gavel aren't too much for you to handle. |
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Nov 1, 2015 14:31:25 GMT
Bath salts? That stuff will make you do some weird stuff. We had a guy on bath salts come in to our nursing home lock himself in an office screaming "they" were trying to kill him and then trashed the office. It was so scary thank God they were able to keep him away from the residents. We also have a guy who lives by me who uses bath salts and comes out of his house screaming and rips all his clothes off and runs down the street naked. I don't know much about illegal drugs so if bath salts the drug is spelled differently than the bath salts for your tub I apologize. This was exactly my first thought. DH deals with people on this every.single.day. and this is exactly the kind of reaction to salts people have (among many other things). I also agree with ashley. Sorry but I have seen the people who try to help others on a bad trip get messed up pretty bad...I guess if you dont see this stuff happening all the time you don't understand but it's not worth myself getting hurt to me. That's doesn't mean I won't call 911 or walk over and talk to the person at a distance to see what's wrong and try to evaluate if this is drug related or something else. |
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Post by Nicole in TX on Nov 1, 2015 15:55:34 GMT
Your words, my emphasis. Your compassion astounds me. If someone is having a drug-induced incident. I am staying far away. I will call authorities who have been trained to handle it. Maybe you need to do a bit of reading on how violent people can become under the influence of drugs. My DH was on a case once that took 6 grown men to subdue one male teenager. |
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Post by Nicole in TX on Nov 1, 2015 15:59:31 GMT
You don't have to personally try to do something for the person, but you CAN see if the bouncer or another employee has called for help or done something to make sure the person in distress gets help. I know a lot of people feel the way you indicated, Maureen. I guess I just wish people had some sort of sign on them, "I don't watch out for others, it's not my job". Obviously, that is a crazy concept, but it sure would make it easier for me to know who I would be wasting my time on. Getting help for someone who needs help is not that hard, but it does inconvenience someone for a bit. Some people consider that just part of being a responsible adult, and others don't. Both sides will probably never really understand each other. We are not taking about rescuing a puppy or helping a little old lady cross the street. If you are stupid enough to put that shit in your body, don't expect me to put aside my own personal safety when you obviously had no regard for yours. |
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Post by scrapsotime on Nov 1, 2015 16:04:02 GMT
Sorry but if I saw a potentially drunk/high individual in a club screaming for no apparent reason I wouldn't intervene either. You have no idea of their state of mind or propensity for physical altercation. Sorry, but that's the bouncer's job not mine. My personal safety is my first concern, in a situation like this one. You don't have to personally try to do something for the person, but you CAN see if the bouncer or another employee has called for help or done something to make sure the person in distress gets help. In my experience working in bars the bouncers would have been on top of this pretty quickly. If you had approached them they would not have answered your questions. |
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Post by rainangel on Nov 1, 2015 16:04:20 GMT
Your words, my emphasis. Your compassion astounds me. If someone is having a drug-induced incident. I am staying far away. I will call authorities who have been trained to handle it. Maybe you need to do a bit of reading on how violent people can become under the influence of drugs. My DH was on a case once that took 6 grown men to subdue one male teenager. I have seen this happen, 7 policemen/bouncers on one young man high off his rockers. No way I am going anywhere near that situation. He was also bleeding from his head because he put his head through a glass window to get to his pregnant girlfriend. How the hell could I bring anything beneficial to that situation, except for staying the fuck away and letting the cops and bouncers put that young man on the ground? |
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 1, 2015 16:15:41 GMT
Hell to the No would I interfere in how the bar and 1st responders handled this.
Reading Annabella's account, we have no way of knowing that the bar wasn't immediately on the phone cooridinating with 911 the best way to handle this. I expect medical first responders were next on the scene after Annabella left unless the police that responded had an idea of what they were dealing with and felt able to handle it.
I don't understand the need to go after Annabella here at all.
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Post by DEX on Nov 1, 2015 18:41:10 GMT
Hell to the No would I interfere in how the bar and 1st responders handled this. Reading Annabella's account, we have no way of knowing that the bar wasn't immediately on the phone cooridinating with 911 the best way to handle this. I expect medical first responders were next on the scene after Annabella left unless the police that responded had an idea of what they were dealing with and felt able to handle it. I don't understand the need to go after Annabella here at all. I guess my earlier post wasn't clear. Why the negativity toward Annabella? Many people recognize their limitations. |
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Post by grinningcat on Nov 1, 2015 18:44:27 GMT
I know a lot of people feel the way you indicated, Maureen. I guess I just wish people had some sort of sign on them, "I don't watch out for others, it's not my job". Obviously, that is a crazy concept, but it sure would make it easier for me to know who I would be wasting my time on. Getting help for someone who needs help is not that hard, but it does inconvenience someone for a bit. Some people consider that just part of being a responsible adult, and others don't. Both sides will probably never really understand each other. Ugh this place and its perfection. What a burden it must be to carry the weight of the world on your shoulders. Now go back and read what I actually wrote which was I wouldn't intervene in this situation. Not that I would never intervene. Not that I won't watch out for others ever. Not that I'm heartless and eat the still beating hearts of puppies. But that in this situation as described I wouldn't get involved. Others were already speaking to the potentially drunk/high screaming girl. Others were already involved. I get involved when necessary, based on what was described it wasn't necessary. Brand me with your sign if you must, I hope your judges robe and gavel aren't too much for you to handle. No shit. The perfect peas are exhausting. And I call bullshit on them helping someone at a bar that is having a bad trip. Bull fucking shit. And if they want to label me as compassionless and that I wouldn't help others in need because I'm not putting myself at risk to help some idiot having a bad drug trip, then I'll take the heartless label that they want to bestow on me. Along with the gavel and judges robe, I hope there's enough oxygen for them on their super fucking high horse. |
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Post by DEX on Nov 1, 2015 18:52:22 GMT
Ugh this place and its perfection. What a burden it must be to carry the weight of the world on your shoulders. Now go back and read what I actually wrote which was I wouldn't intervene in this situation. Not that I would never intervene. Not that I won't watch out for others ever. Not that I'm heartless and eat the still beating hearts of puppies. But that in this situation as described I wouldn't get involved. Others were already speaking to the potentially drunk/high screaming girl. Others were already involved. I get involved when necessary, based on what was described it wasn't necessary. Brand me with your sign if you must, I hope your judges robe and gavel aren't too much for you to handle. No shit. The perfect peas are exhausting. And I call bullshit on them helping someone at a bar that is having a bad trip. Bull fucking shit. And if they want to label me as compassionless and that I wouldn't help others in need because I'm not putting myself at risk to help some idiot having a bad drug trip, then I'll take the heartless label that they want to bestow on me. Along with the gavel and judges robe, I hope there's enough oxygen for them on their super fucking high horse. LOL. I was trying to say this exactly without ruffling feathers. I had my cashmere sweater on, with my knee length A-line skirt, along with my pearls, while writing my responses. GrinningCat had her leather mini skirt and 6" spike heels on, while riding her Harley, while writing hers. Much better said. |
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Nov 1, 2015 19:06:04 GMT
No shit. The perfect peas are exhausting. And I call bullshit on them helping someone at a bar that is having a bad trip. Bull fucking shit. And if they want to label me as compassionless and that I wouldn't help others in need because I'm not putting myself at risk to help some idiot having a bad drug trip, then I'll take the heartless label that they want to bestow on me. Along with the gavel and judges robe, I hope there's enough oxygen for them on their super fucking high horse. LOL. I was trying to say this exactly without ruffling feathers. I had my cashmere sweater on with my knee length A-line skirt with my pearls while writing my responses. GrinningCat had her leather mini skirt and and 6" spike heels on, while riding her Harley, while writing hers. Much better said. LOL!!! That's funny. |
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Post by alexa11 on Nov 1, 2015 19:15:05 GMT
I wouldn't have intervened either- too much crazy that could have happened. But, again,that's coming from someone who doesn't want their personal space invaded on an airplane.  |
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Post by 3girlsmomma on Nov 1, 2015 19:36:17 GMT
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Post by librarylady on Nov 1, 2015 22:34:24 GMT
I am very sure I personally would not have gone over there (for the reasons mentioned in other posts), but I would (hope I would have) dialed 911 and asked for professionals to work their magic.
We never really know what we would have done until we are in a situation.
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Post by annabella on Nov 1, 2015 22:35:41 GMT
Poor girl. No matter what happened it sounds traumatic. Why wasn't she there with friends? She was with her friends. Reading Annabella's account, we have no way of knowing that the bar wasn't immediately on the phone cooridinating with 911 the best way to handle this. I expect medical first responders were next on the scene after Annabella left unless the police that responded had an idea of what they were dealing with and felt able to handle it. I was running out last night and didn't feel the need to give the minute by minute play to Lizzie. She has her own family to worry about. |
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Post by Zee on Nov 1, 2015 22:43:52 GMT
No shit. The perfect peas are exhausting. And I call bullshit on them helping someone at a bar that is having a bad trip. Bull fucking shit. And if they want to label me as compassionless and that I wouldn't help others in need because I'm not putting myself at risk to help some idiot having a bad drug trip, then I'll take the heartless label that they want to bestow on me. Along with the gavel and judges robe, I hope there's enough oxygen for them on their super fucking high horse. Am I the perfect pea you are referring to? And if so, you call bullshit on whether I would try to get help for a woman in distress, whether she be at a bar or elsewhere? Well, you'll be sorry to know that, yes, I do make it a habit to get help for people who need it. No where did I say that I would be personally picking this woman up, dusting her off and making all right with the world. Just that I would try to get help for a woman who is in obvious distress. As in making sure that officials where she was were aware and going to provide help, or if somewhere else simply calling 911 and waiting nearby until help arrived. Let's pretend it was a pea's daughter, who was given the drugs/alcohol/whatever...or was simply mentally ill and acting out...Wouldn't we wish bystanders who were aware would either get help for the daughter or make sure than there was someone official who was? What if it was a daughter who had simply chosen a lifestyle of drugs and drinking, and the pea mom was scared to death for what might happen one day? Wouldn't we be saying, thank heavens someone saw her in trouble and called 911 to get her help? This place. Ugh, I swear. Is it asking too much to be able to say, why don't more women look out for other women in obvious distress and get them help, without hearing about accusing others of eating beating hearts of puppies? Must have been your condescending, judgmental post that gave you away, lol. No one said they wouldn't call 911, they simply aren't going to wade into the fray in what could turn into a confrontation with a whacked-out crazy woman. People under the influence can be really surprisingly strong and aren't known for being grateful that someone intervened. I guess that might be too long to put on a sign around your neck, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 22:56:44 GMT
1. People would ask her what's wrong and she would say something then keep screaming.
2. Eventually all of the bouncers picked her up
3. I did see 3 police officers run in
Handled IMO
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 1, 2015 23:28:58 GMT
No shit. The perfect peas are exhausting. And I call bullshit on them helping someone at a bar that is having a bad trip. Bull fucking shit. And if they want to label me as compassionless and that I wouldn't help others in need because I'm not putting myself at risk to help some idiot having a bad drug trip, then I'll take the heartless label that they want to bestow on me. Along with the gavel and judges robe, I hope there's enough oxygen for them on their super fucking high horse. Am I the perfect pea you are referring to? And if so, you call bullshit on whether I would try to get help for a woman in distress, whether she be at a bar or elsewhere? Well, you'll be sorry to know that, yes, I do make it a habit to get help for people who need it. No where did I say that I would be personally picking this woman up, dusting her off and making all right with the world. Just that I would try to get help for a woman who is in obvious distress. As in making sure that officials where she was were aware and going to provide help, or if somewhere else simply calling 911 and waiting nearby until help arrived. Let's pretend it was a pea's daughter, who was given the drugs/alcohol/whatever...or was simply mentally ill and acting out...Wouldn't we wish bystanders who were aware would either get help for the daughter or make sure than there was someone official who was? What if it was a daughter who had simply chosen a lifestyle of drugs and drinking, and the pea mom was scared to death for what might happen one day? Wouldn't we be saying, thank heavens someone saw her in trouble and called 911 to get her help? This place. Ugh, I swear. Is it asking too much to be able to say, why don't more women look out for other women in obvious distress and get them help, without hearing about accusing others of eating beating hearts of puppies? The police arrived on the scene because they had mental telepathy? No. Someone called 911. You're getting bent out of shape thinking no one responded when people did respond. |
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Post by DEX on Nov 2, 2015 1:43:14 GMT
Thanks for responding to this. I agree. Annabella didn't leave some girl to fend for herself, from what I read.  |
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Post by christine58 on Nov 2, 2015 1:51:11 GMT
1. People would ask her what's wrong and she would say something then keep screaming.
2. Eventually all of the bouncers picked her up
3. I did see 3 police officers run inHandled IMO Yup...and to be honest, I would not even thought about posting it here. But that's just me. |
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 2, 2015 2:01:31 GMT
I was in a Las Vegas casino and a lady came in freaked out. She was by herself and wouldn't respond. I was in no way going to physically help her (she was in a stall crying and yelling) I found the nearest employee and cop and told them what was happening. I waited outside the bathroom to see if anyone else (a friend) happened by. I guess I am a perimeter person. She was definitely drunk or on something. Paramedics were called and when they got there I walked away. I think you can be there for a person by calling and watching, but you don't have put yourself in harm's way. I guessed that the OP was really looking for reasons she was acting this way. The peas have a lot of info that is often helpful or just informative.
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Post by gar on Nov 2, 2015 8:09:51 GMT
No shit. The perfect peas are exhausting. And I call bullshit on them helping someone at a bar that is having a bad trip. Bull fucking shit. And if they want to label me as compassionless and that I wouldn't help others in need because I'm not putting myself at risk to help some idiot having a bad drug trip, then I'll take the heartless label that they want to bestow on me. Along with the gavel and judges robe, I hope there's enough oxygen for them on their super fucking high horse. Am I the perfect pea you are referring to? And if so, you call bullshit on whether I would try to get help for a woman in distress, whether she be at a bar or elsewhere? Well, you'll be sorry to know that, yes, I do make it a habit to get help for people who need it. No where did I say that I would be personally picking this woman up, dusting her off and making all right with the world. Just that I would try to get help for a woman who is in obvious distress. As in making sure that officials where she was were aware and going to provide help, or if somewhere else simply calling 911 and waiting nearby until help arrived. Let's pretend it was a pea's daughter, who was given the drugs/alcohol/whatever...or was simply mentally ill and acting out...Wouldn't we wish bystanders who were aware would either get help for the daughter or make sure than there was someone official who was? What if it was a daughter who had simply chosen a lifestyle of drugs and drinking, and the pea mom was scared to death for what might happen one day? Wouldn't we be saying, thank heavens someone saw her in trouble and called 911 to get her help? This place. Ugh, I swear. Is it asking too much to be able to say, why don't more women look out for other women in obvious distress and get them help, without hearing about accusing others of eating beating hearts of puppies? Not intervening personally isn't the same as walking on by. It doesn't mean people wouldn't summon help. I don't think anyone said they would ignore her but whenother people are already on the scene then the likelihood is that 911 has already been called (they had in this case) and so what's the point in calling emergency services possibly again for the same situation. |
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