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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Nov 2, 2015 20:38:30 GMT
Which of these is correct....
Chris'
Chris's
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Post by mdith4him on Nov 2, 2015 20:42:00 GMT
I would write Chris' as we were always taught in school that words ending in s didn't need the extra 's for the possessive. But I've seen both recently and I'm pretty sure the UK uses 's in those cases.
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Post by Zee on Nov 2, 2015 20:41:52 GMT
Either, apparently, though I prefer Chris'.
I believe I remember a similar discussion here about this topic a few months ago. I'm not a grammar authority, but I remember the thread.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Nov 2, 2015 20:44:09 GMT
Per my 5th grade teacher, both are acceptable. I usually use Chris'.
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Nov 2, 2015 20:47:29 GMT
My daughter (10th grade) wrote Chris' and her teacher marked it wrong.
She asked me and I also said Chris'.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 2, 2015 20:47:58 GMT
You could use the mental gymnastics that would be 'the item belongs to Chris' to avoid the question altogether.  ETA: I just that the teacher marked it wrong? Would your daughter feel comfortable talking to the teacher to find out why she thought it was wrong? Back in the dark ages, the only answer that would have been right would have been Chris'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 20:54:06 GMT
Chris's
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Post by gar on Nov 2, 2015 20:54:35 GMT
My younger DD's name ends with s so I remember checking years ago. Both are correct although not everyone realises that and will assume it's wrong if you don't use another s- clearly!! 
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Post by littlemama on Nov 2, 2015 20:55:04 GMT
We did just have a lengthy debate about this within the last couple of months.
My position is that it is Chris'
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Post by georgiapea on Nov 2, 2015 21:29:56 GMT
The first one is correct.
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Post by padresfan619 on Nov 2, 2015 21:35:44 GMT
Either are acceptable as long as you are consistent in which form you choose to write. So if you're going to use "Chris'" then you need to use that form every single time. Personally I prefer Chris' as the double s looks odd to me.
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 2, 2015 21:47:11 GMT
What is APA Style? If either of the As in that acronym stand for "American", then I'll just ignore the rule and continue happily on with my use of Chris' !! 
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 2, 2015 22:29:02 GMT
What is APA Style? If either of the As in that acronym stand for "American", then I'll just ignore the rule and continue happily on with my use of Chris' !! Yes, feel free to ignore. Neither of those As is for "Australia."  APA=American Pschological Association=academic writing style often used in behavioral sciences and education. MLA=Modern Language Association=academic writing style often used in humanities Chicago=Chicago Manual of Style=guide for academic (often history) and non-academic writing AP=Associated Press=many news organizations use their style guide for news writing
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 2, 2015 22:33:17 GMT
Both are accurate, but depending on the schooling of that particular teacher, he/she could have learned it as Chris's. I would politely ask the teacher at a later time. As a previous teacher, I found that parents learned things differently than I had and sometimes both ways were perfectly acceptable. I taught my classes to just drop the second s.
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 2, 2015 22:34:05 GMT
Thanks for the clarification AmeliaBloomer, that's very interesting. Who'duthunk there'd be so many different styles! I'd be interested to know what the major differences were between each one.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 2, 2015 22:54:48 GMT
Thanks for the clarification AmeliaBloomer, that's very interesting. Who'duthunk there'd be so many different styles! I'd be interested to know what the major differences were between each one. Truth be told, the academic writing styles mostly focus on how to cite research sources...so lots of emphasis on bibliography formats, endnotes v. footnotes v. in-text notes, etc. Within an academic field - say, Anthropology - dissertations and journal articles will use the same citation style, which a helpful to readers and other researchers. A handy chart. I have no idea what the rest of the world uses. Maybe there are some academics here who could chime in. The academic style books do also cover things like grammar and punctuation, but for the average Josephine writing a report for work or a newsie article for company publication, they'd probably look that kind of stuff up in Chicago or AP.
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Post by disneypal on Nov 2, 2015 22:56:58 GMT
It is my understanding that both are acceptable but I was taught that Chris' is correct
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Post by lesley on Nov 2, 2015 23:05:05 GMT
I would always write Chris's, and that's how I would say it too. If I said "Chris' book" I would think that meant a book belonging to Chri! 
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Nov 2, 2015 23:19:09 GMT
We did just have a lengthy debate about this within the last couple of months. My position is that it is Chris' Huh, I must have missed that! Thanks for answering the question for a second time!!
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 2, 2015 23:19:47 GMT
Chris's. He is not plural which is when the apostrophe comes after the s.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 2, 2015 23:24:13 GMT
MLA also says to use the 's. From Purdue Owl
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 2, 2015 23:38:27 GMT
Chris's. He is not plural which is when the apostrophe comes after the s. There is a long-standing tradition of apostrophe-only with proper nouns that end with S. The Associated Press style book still recommends it and many newspapers do it - as do, apparently, a lot of Peas! So, neither way is necessarily wrong; it just depends what tradition or style you follow - or which one your school or company espouses. I haven't looked it up in a while, but I believe "Chicago" used to go into a whole song and dance about whether the ending S makes an "s" sound or a "z" sound. Related: you almost always see < Jesus' >. The Catholic Church has a style rule about it. (I've done some proofreading for Catholic publications.) ~AmeliaBloomer Pedant 
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Post by Pahina722 on Nov 2, 2015 23:47:20 GMT
It always used to be taught as s's for singular nouns ending in s; however, in the interest of simplification, MLA is transitioning to just the apostrophe when the noun ends in s, whether it is singular or plural. Since both are correct, I teach my students to use apostrophe alone. Honestly, though, I'm shocked when they use any apostrophe ever! (And since I teach college level English, that fact should concern you.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 23:47:47 GMT
Here is more than we could ever want to know about possessives on proper names ending in "s" (TL;DR: we are all right and wrong  ) Answer: Radio and television announcers pronounce words the way those words are written by news writers. News writers follow conventions in style manuals that are written to match the preferences of the audience for that medium. Most news writers follow newspaper-style conventions, which are set out in, for example, The Associated Press Stylebook and Libel Manual. The AP recommends that possessives of proper names ending in "s" be formed by adding an apostrophe only (no extra "s"). Thus, in AP style, the possessive of Jones is Jones'. Different style manuals handle this in different ways. The Chicago Manual of Style, which is the manual for book editing, recommends that most possessives of proper names include an extra "s." It makes exceptions for Jesus, Moses, and names of more than one syllable with an unaccented ending pronouned "eez." Thus, Euripides', not Euripides's. Spelling conventions are in some sense an attempt to replicate pronunciation. When style manuals make pronouncements on spelling, they imply that the presence of an extra "s" means that most educated speakers customarily pronounce that sound. The reason that this system cannot simply be reversed to produce pronunciation rules is that style manuals are directed at written language, and they are thus also interested in visual consistency and eliminating visual distractions. In short, it is not possible to look at the spelling of a word and make safe assumptions about common pronunciation. The system goes from pronunciation to spelling—not from spelling to pronunciation—and there are many other variables at play. Nevertheless, the best of the style manuals (q.v. The Chicago Manual of Style) give at least ambient advice on this point. Here's Chicago's rule 6.30: How to form the possessive of polysllabic personal names ending with the sound of "s" or "z" probably occasions more dissension among writers and editors than any other orthographic matter open to disagreement. Some espouse the rule that the possessive of all such names should be formed by the addition of an apostrophe only. Such a rule would outlaw spellings like "Dylan Thomas's poetry," "Roy Harris's composition," and "Maria Callas's performance" in favor of "Thomas'," "Harris'," and "Callas'," which would not commend themselves to many. Other writers and editors simply abandon the attempt to define in precise phonic or orthographic terms the class of polysyllabic names to which only the apostrophe should be attached and follow a more pragmatic rule. In essence this is, "If it ends with a z sound, treat it like a plural; if it ends with an s sound treat it like a singular." Thus they would write "Dickens', Hopkins', Williams'," but also "Harris's, Thomas's, Callas's, Angus's, Willis's," and the like. Thus, no one can give you rules for the pronunciation of any (and all) words of a given type, but it is possible to get answers (or at least opinions) for specific examples. Witness's, for example, is formed from a common—not a proper noun. All style manuals agree that it should be written with the extra "s," and I am willing to say that most educated speakers pronounce that "s." Jesus' (along with Moses' and names of more than one syllable with an unaccented ending pronounced eez) is among the traditional exceptions to the general rule for forming the possessive. There is no extra "s"—spelled or pronounced. The Chicago Manual notes that this practice began "for reasons of euphony." Jones in the possessive is harder. The AP Stylebook tells you to add only an apostrophe. Chicago tells you to add "'s." Chicago's more complicated rule 6.40 produces "Jones'" because Jones ends with a "z" sound. This latter rule is the only one truly based on pronunciation. The Grammar Hotline recommends witness's (spell and pronounce the extra s), Jesus' (neither spell nor pronounce the extra s), and Jones's (spell and pronounce the extra "s"). The last of these is the only one I am not sure about. A variation in that form would be acceptable if it were treated consistently. www.ncsu.edu/ncsu/grammar/Apostro3.html
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 2, 2015 23:54:00 GMT
Chris's. He is not plural which is when the apostrophe comes after the s.  That is the way I understand the rule. Think about how it would be used in a sentence. You wouldn't say "Hand me Chris' book." It would be "Hand me Chris's book."
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 2, 2015 23:57:54 GMT
Honestly, though, I'm shocked when they use any apostrophe ever! (And since I teach college level English, that fact should concern you.) Oh, contraire! They use apostrophes all the time to form plurals. I mean plural's. 
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 3, 2015 0:00:08 GMT
Honestly, though, I'm shocked when they use any apostrophe ever! (And since I teach college level English, that fact should concern you.) Oh, contraire! They use apostrophes all the time to form plurals. I mean plural's.  ugh, daily I am correcting my high school students on this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 0:05:47 GMT
According to the AP Style book (2011) a proper name ending is "s" only gets an apostrophe. There ARE other nouns that end in "s" that do get an extra "s" following the apostrophe.
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 3, 2015 0:13:47 GMT
Since both are correct, I teach my students to use apostrophe alone. Honestly, though, I'm shocked when they use any apostrophe ever! (And since I teach college level English, that fact should concern you.) Well you shouldn't be shocked when students use an apostrophe - I see apostrophes EVERYwhere ALL the time..... "Wanna go 2 MacDonald's for some burger's?" "Goin 2 the beach with my friend's tomoz." "My parent's said I had to buy some new shoe's for the wedding."  The incorrect use of apostrophes concerns me just as much as not using them at all. 
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Post by gar on Nov 3, 2015 9:05:34 GMT
Since both are correct, I teach my students to use apostrophe alone. Honestly, though, I'm shocked when they use any apostrophe ever! (And since I teach college level English, that fact should concern you.) Well you shouldn't be shocked when students use an apostrophe - I see apostrophes EVERYwhere ALL the time..... "Wanna go 2 MacDonald's for some burger's?" "Goin 2 the beach with my friend's tomoz." "My parent's said I had to buy some new shoe's for the wedding."  The incorrect use of apostrophes concerns me just as much as not using them at all.  This seemingly fairly new incorrect usage of the apostrophe is SO common isn't it!! And the inconsistency is even worse - see above!! I don't get it.....one of my DDs does it, but never used to and I know she's been taught the correct way so....why now???
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