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Post by freecharlie on Jul 21, 2014 21:11:24 GMT
After interviewing at multiple places person is offered a job which he takes. The job doesn't start for a while and no paperwork has been done, but it is a verbal agreement.
A month after original job offer, but before job starts, the person is offered a job that is almost an hour closer to home, pays better, has better hours and better beneifts.
Obviously he wants to now take the 2nd job. Is that okay? How should he go about it. I think a phone call, person thongs an email is okay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 21:14:08 GMT
I think that is more than ok. I don't think anyone would blame him, including the 1st employer. I think he should definitely call the first employer, don't send his thong to them!
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 21, 2014 21:15:25 GMT
I think that is more than ok. I don't think anyone would blame him, including the 1st employer. I think he should definitely call the first employer, don't send his thong to them! Ah the joys of posting from a phone with auto correct I meant he thinks |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 21:17:41 GMT
I like the way your autocorrect thinks! Substituting a perfectly normal word like "thinks" with "thongs"! And I knew. Just joking with ya! But yeah, a phone call is better.
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Post by AN on Jul 21, 2014 21:18:03 GMT
I do think a phone call would be better, but either way, that person probably is probably going on my "do not hire" list so it doesn't really matter. That's a risk of giving a start date too far out in the future though as an employer! It isn't terribly uncommon but I think there are only ways to come out of it looking "less bad," never really looking good.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 21, 2014 21:20:36 GMT
Yeah, my guess is that of the new job doesn't work out, he probably shouldn't even apply at the other company again.
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Post by LAM88 on Jul 21, 2014 21:21:30 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Jul 21, 2014 21:28:12 GMT
I would call and honestly tell them that there is a higher paying job that came in (just make sure he actually HAS the other job first, not waiting for security checks or drug tests etc. ) If professional and polite it may not burn his bridge although there is always the chance that it may.
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Post by utmr on Jul 21, 2014 21:48:53 GMT
If the new better job is a 100% done deal - background passed, drug test passed, absolute set in stone, with no possibility that you would change your mind - then I would send a letter (certified) or email (with return receipt) along the lines of "After careful consideration, I have decided to respectfully withdraw my acceptance of XYZ company's offer of ABC position. I appreciate the consideration shown me during the interview process and wish you the best of luck finding the right candidate."
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 21, 2014 21:50:45 GMT
utmr, that sounds pretty close to perfect. Should he call first or just send the letter?
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 21, 2014 21:54:41 GMT
I don't know. I am a non-confrontational person by nature (I know you are all staring at that sentence in disbelief) with strangers or in situations I am unsure in. It would give me knots in my stomach to disappoint the first employer and I would probably keep that job anyway out of loyalty even though there was really no relationship there.
I wouldn't want to screw the first job over and would feel bad doing so.
ETA: I swear there was a post in between my two posts when I replied that said something about "why wouldn't it be okay?"
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Post by utmr on Jul 22, 2014 0:58:41 GMT
utmr, that sounds pretty close to perfect. Should he call first or just send the letter? Why thank you (blushing)...
I would just send it. But I would have an answer ready in case they call and ask why. Some tactful boilerplate about how much you were looking forward to this job, but another opportunity came along that was a better work life balance fit.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 22, 2014 1:11:56 GMT
It would give me knots in my stomach to disappoint the first employer and I would probably keep that job anyway out of loyalty even though there was really no relationship there. I wouldn't want to screw the first job over and would feel bad doing so. I completely understand that, it would be tempting to stick with the first one, but an hour is extremely compelling -- almost more so than the pay or benefits. As a matter of fact, I'd take less pay for an hour commute time, whether it was each way or total per day. |
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Post by megop on Jul 22, 2014 1:21:34 GMT
100% agree with UTMR. Totally understandable. And happens all the time. Don't burn professional bridges. You do that, by being professional.
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Post by StephDRebel on Jul 23, 2014 3:38:26 GMT
I'm going to vote DEFINITELY send his thong.
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Post by Chips on Jul 23, 2014 3:49:20 GMT
If the new better job is a 100% done deal - background passed, drug test passed, absolute set in stone, with no possibility that you would change your mind - then I would send a letter (certified) or email (with return receipt) along the lines of "After careful consideration, I have decided to respectfully withdraw my acceptance of XYZ company's offer of ABC position. I appreciate the consideration shown me during the interview process and wish you the best of luck finding the right candidate." ^ this is the way to go, it's honest, direct and to the point but very considerate. |
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Post by cycworker on Jul 23, 2014 6:38:27 GMT
I would feel honour bound to keep my commitment to the first employer. Sorry. I just don't think it's wise to be disloyal. I'm not quite sure why the person would even go to the other interview once they got and accepted the original offer.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 23, 2014 6:46:14 GMT
I absolutely agree with everyone else (except cycworker).  For me, the bottom line is that most employers have absolutely zero loyalty to employees. You need to do what is best for your career and your life. Do not have any sort of misplaced loyalty to a job or even just an accepted job offer. They would dump you in a second if someone they liked better came along during that month before you start. But I agree that you are probably burning that bridge. OH WELL. |
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Post by AllieC on Jul 23, 2014 10:48:18 GMT
I absolutely agree with everyone else (except cycworker). For me, the bottom line is that most employers have absolutely zero loyalty to employees. You need to do what is best for your career and your life. Do not have any sort of misplaced loyalty to a job or even just an accepted job offer. They would dump you in a second if someone they liked better came along during that month before you start. But I agree that you are probably burning that bridge. OH WELL.
Ditto
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Post by utmr on Jul 23, 2014 13:09:15 GMT
Agree with the point about the employer not having any loyalty and the employee is unwise to think there is. (I can't figure out how to quote on the phone). If something changed - a business downturn, or even a candidate that was cheaper or they liked better - the employer would have zero problem retracting the job offer.
Do what us best for your personal situation, and do it in the most professional way possible.
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Post by LAM88 on Jul 23, 2014 14:07:42 GMT
I would feel honour bound to keep my commitment to the first employer. Sorry. I just don't think it's wise to be disloyal. I'm not quite sure why the person would even go to the other interview once they got and accepted the original offer. That loyalty seems misplaced to me. You would be making a decision that would greatly impact your life based on loyalty to an employer you've never worked for before, and who could and would fire you in an instant if your employment no longer suited their needs. |
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Jul 23, 2014 14:12:25 GMT
I think that is just a risk the company takes in making the start date so far out. You really can't expect people to sit around waiting for a job to start - they are going to keep interviewing and may find something better. I do think it should be a phone call though. I think we need some new etiquette books for the 2010's - including a nice list of when to make personal contact vs. when the make electronic contact.
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Post by trollie on Jul 23, 2014 14:19:58 GMT
Yep.
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Post by moveablefeast on Jul 23, 2014 14:21:49 GMT
I would feel honour bound to keep my commitment to the first employer. Sorry. I just don't think it's wise to be disloyal. I'm not quite sure why the person would even go to the other interview once they got and accepted the original offer. I do feel that I have a commitment to my current employer. I have a large fundraiser in October at my current job (of 3 and a half years) and last week I was offered a job with better hours, higher pay, and benefits. I will be staying at my current job at least through the fundraiser. I do consider myself honor bound to do so. If I hadn't even started at a job and all I had was a verbal agreement, no paperwork or anything? considering myself honor bound to that job is like considering myself engaged to the guy I went on a first date with. I have loyalty to the employer with which I have a relationship established. I have no loyalty to the employer I haven't even signed on with in any official capacity. My opinion anyway. |
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Post by Ellie on Jul 23, 2014 14:40:40 GMT
I absolutely agree with everyone else (except cycworker). For me, the bottom line is that most employers have absolutely zero loyalty to employees. You need to do what is best for your career and your life. Do not have any sort of misplaced loyalty to a job or even just an accepted job offer. They would dump you in a second if someone they liked better came along during that month before you start. But I agree that you are probably burning that bridge. OH WELL. Yeah, I completely agree with this. And it's not at all uncommon. In my office, I can think of four searches that this has happened with in the past three years alone. |
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Post by auntkelly on Jul 23, 2014 14:43:27 GMT
If the company lost their biggest customer a few days before you started, I don't think they would hesitate to call you up and say they were withdrawing their employment offer to you.
I would definitely take the better job if I were you, but as others have said, I would be very professional in letting the first company know I was taking a different position.
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Post by mikklynn on Jul 23, 2014 15:04:39 GMT
From the other side...this happens to us a lot. We hire new college grads in big batches and every year a few drop out because they got better offers.
I don't see it as a big deal.
As to loyalty, believe me - there is no loyalty towards the employee in big business.
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Post by kimpossible on Jul 23, 2014 15:20:43 GMT
Yes, just be sure to notify the company that made the first offer so that they know you won't be showing up.
It's actually more common than you think!
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 23, 2014 15:26:42 GMT
I absolutely agree with everyone else (except cycworker). For me, the bottom line is that most employers have absolutely zero loyalty to employees. You need to do what is best for your career and your life. Do not have any sort of misplaced loyalty to a job or even just an accepted job offer. They would dump you in a second if someone they liked better came along during that month before you start. But I agree that you are probably burning that bridge. OH WELL. Another ditto... especially now I am looking for work.. good grief.. I just wish I could land an interview at his point.  |
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Post by cycworker on Jul 23, 2014 19:35:01 GMT
I absolutely agree with everyone else (except cycworker). For me, the bottom line is that most employers have absolutely zero loyalty to employees. You need to do what is best for your career and your life. Do not have any sort of misplaced loyalty to a job or even just an accepted job offer. They would dump you in a second if someone they liked better came along during that month before you start. But I agree that you are probably burning that bridge. OH WELL. Surprisingly, I agree with you... and in part it's because I agree with you that I'd be reluctant to walk away from the current job to take the better offer. Employers have all the power. They don't NEED to be loyal to us. We need to be loyal to them, or we will get screwed. If this person turns the current offer down, and something goes wrong with the new one, they will be hooped. What if they hate it? What if they aren't any good at it? What if the organization goes belly up? No... for me, I think it's safer to just stick to the first commitment, work hard, and stay there as long as possible, ideally forever. But that's me... I value stability over EVERYTHING. I'd rather have a safe, stable, secure job that's totally dull & unrewarding than take a risk on something better that may not work. |
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