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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 30, 2015 17:06:59 GMT
as someone without kids, I am genuinely curious:
-- How do you suppose these shifts in the 'expert opinions' and parenting methods happen?
-- Just who are these experts, and what evidence do / did they give saying that one way of parenting is supposedly better than another / the 'older' way of parenting??
-- In what circumstances would these discussions come up- doctor's appointments?? reading magazine articles??
I am truly curious/interested in how this shift came about, and there is no snark intended in my questions at all.
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Post by nurseypants on Nov 30, 2015 17:58:44 GMT
maybe there is some hope that sanity will return to this country University Pres schools self-absorbed students
And if possible, let's try to address the topic rather than calling each other names just because we agree or disagree with this article.Do you mean like this: "You're a disgrace to your husband and all other vets. And with that, I am done with you. I will however, go on praising those Americans who are true Americans and help those who have fought and served for us. That includes your husband; but not you. You are a self-righteous, ignorant person..." Or maybe like this: "You might try looking into yourself and effecting a little change. But given the level of your anger, I don't think you're ready." Or is this what you're referring to: "the way I see it, people who toss around those words are just too stupid to actually make a fact-based argument..." Yes, by all means, 'let's" try.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 30, 2015 18:17:09 GMT
as someone without kids, I am genuinely curious: -- How do you suppose these shifts in the 'expert opinions' and parenting methods happen? -- Just who are these experts, and what evidence do / did they give saying that one way of parenting is supposedly better than another / the 'older' way of parenting?? -- In what circumstances would these discussions come up- doctor's appointments?? reading magazine articles?? I am truly curious/interested in how this shift came about, and there is no snark intended in my questions at all. Just as there are shifts in education methods, workplace organization, etc., the shifts in parenting methods are going to happen because there isn't really a one size fits all approach to parenting that works for everyone, so there is a constant search for new and better approaches. Each generation thinks they can do it better and academics are rewarded for developing new theories and experts usually come out of the academic, theoretical world. Applying theory into practice doesn't always work out as cleanly in real life as it does on paper and another shift happens. Add a little bit of expert opinion plus your personal view on how you were raised and it shakes out to how you raise your kids.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 30, 2015 18:29:55 GMT
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Post by anonrefugee on Nov 30, 2015 20:01:52 GMT
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 30, 2015 20:09:48 GMT
bc2ca-- thank you for responding to my question; I appreciate it.
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Post by pridemom on Nov 30, 2015 21:16:05 GMT
I think the majority of kids are awesome too. But there are a few over-the-top special snowflakes who feel very entitiled. My dh works at a major auto manufacturer. He said said that many of the new hires have been over 40 years of age. He said that the younger kids don't have the same work ethic and he's sick of dealing with the special snowflakes. They will make some accomodations but your highschool IEP does not apply in the work environment. Having said that, I do have a special needs son (who will not be working) and a son with ADHD who is well aware that he will need to deal with his condition on his own as an adult. Depends on if the reason for the IEP is protected under the ADA www.ada.gov/cguide.htmThe third, being perceived as having an impairment, does not qualify one for workplace accommodations. I work in EEO.
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Post by RiverIsis on Nov 30, 2015 22:05:22 GMT
The third, being perceived as having an impairment, does not qualify one for workplace accommodations. I work in EEO. Though my point that not all IEPs are equal stands. Some will be accommodated under ADA.
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Post by pridemom on Nov 30, 2015 22:23:39 GMT
The third, being perceived as having an impairment, does not qualify one for workplace accommodations. I work in EEO. Though my point that not all IEPs are equal stands. Some will be accommodated under ADA. The key thing is that a person must be qualified and about to do the essential tasks of the job, with or without accommodations. Employers can require documentation of a disability, and it is likely to be more than an IEP that is required. I needed a doctor letter for a freakin desk lamp because fluorescents trigger my migraines.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 22:35:29 GMT
I agree with his letter completely!
And Merge, do you actually know anyone who was offended by the Starbucks cup? Because everyone I know (and at least 80 percent of my friends are conservative) thinks the whole controversy was stupid. I literally know no one who was offended. Personally, I think the whole cup controversy was generated by right wing media on a slow news day.
PS...I would quote what Merge said that I was referring to, but the copy paste feature on my phone is crap.
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Post by ellen on Nov 30, 2015 22:52:00 GMT
I agree with his letter completely! And Merge, do you actually know anyone who was offended by the Starbucks cup? Because everyone I know (and at least 80 percent of my friends are conservative) thinks the whole controversy was stupid. I literally know no one who was offended. Personally, I think the whole cup controversy was generated by right wing media on a slow news day. PS...I would quote what Merge said that I was referring to, but the copy paste feature on my phone is crap. I think it was a made up controversy. Someone on Twitter probably posted something about the lame red cup and then it took off from there. I think there are quite a few controversies that only exist on social media - kids not doing the flag pledge, White House banning Christmas trees, people not saying Merry Christmas for fear of offending, etc.
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Post by Merge on Nov 30, 2015 23:01:20 GMT
I agree with his letter completely! And Merge, do you actually know anyone who was offended by the Starbucks cup? Because everyone I know (and at least 80 percent of my friends are conservative) thinks the whole controversy was stupid. I literally know no one who was offended. Personally, I think the whole cup controversy was generated by right wing media on a slow news day. PS...I would quote what Merge said that I was referring to, but the copy paste feature on my phone is crap. Jodster, I don't know any other than the pastor who posted the original diatribe against it, but I know plenty of people who are offended if a clerk wishes them Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, or who truly believe that they as Christians are persecuted in this country because the public school science curriculum doesn't include creationism (I'm related to a bunch of them). The victim mentality definitely comes from both sides of the political aisle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 23:27:59 GMT
I went back to study recently after my initial degree 20 years ago. The experience then vs now was pretty jarring. Back 20 years ago you were basically told when and where your exam was. This time around I was amazed at how students badgered for exam hints and tips and the conversations that occurred on facebook study groups stating the outrage at so many parts of the process. At first I rolled my eyes but then it made me wonder, where is all this anxiety coming from...and anxiety is definitely what it is.
I guess there is the constant reminder of crippling student debts, lack of job prospects and in some cities and countries, the inability to ever afford buying your own home. Then the idea you may actually just be gunned down in your class or socially shamed for whatever reason your peers feel like ruining your life over.
I think also in previous generations a lot of authority was pushed and protested and that often led way to organizations and authorities implementing policies that effectively clamp down on that push. In addition to that push on the boundaries, there is also less room for imperfection now because not just your own peers will reject you, but now the entire twitterverse will critique you. And not to mention the very real prospect that we all have these views of younger people because we're tired and jaded as to what it's like to be young, clueless and anxious.
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Post by RiverIsis on Nov 30, 2015 23:56:57 GMT
I agree with his letter completely! And Merge, do you actually know anyone who was offended by the Starbucks cup? Because everyone I know (and at least 80 percent of my friends are conservative) thinks the whole controversy was stupid. I literally know no one who was offended. Personally, I think the whole cup controversy was generated by right wing media on a slow news day. PS...I would quote what Merge said that I was referring to, but the copy paste feature on my phone is crap. It's probably the same people that get all bent out of shape being wished Happy Holidays (originally Happy Holy days in reference to the Catholic/Christian church calendar). Always gives me a good chuckle they are ok with people getting drunk or Merry for Christmas. I went back to study recently after my initial degree 20 years ago. The experience then vs now was pretty jarring. Back 20 years ago you were basically told when and where your exam was. This time around I was amazed at how students badgered for exam hints and tips and the conversations that occurred on facebook study groups stating the outrage at so many parts of the process. At first I rolled my eyes but then it made me wonder, where is all this anxiety coming from...and anxiety is definitely what it is. I guess there is the constant reminder of crippling student debts, lack of job prospects and in some cities and countries, the inability to ever afford buying your own home. Then the idea you may actually just be gunned down in your class or socially shamed for whatever reason your peers feel like ruining your life over. I think also in previous generations a lot of authority was pushed and protested and that often led way to organizations and authorities implementing policies that effectively clamp down on that push. In addition to that push on the boundaries, there is also less room for imperfection now because not just your own peers will reject you, but now the entire twitterverse will critique you. And not to mention the very real prospect that we all have these views of younger people because we're tired and jaded as to what it's like to be young, clueless and anxious. I think you are more than likely witnessing the result of the obsessive testing culture in schools. And a lot of primary and secondary school teachers teach to the test so give as many exam hints as possible. Unlike in previous generations this generation has one heck of an organization tool in social media if they use it properly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 1:00:29 GMT
Interesting video. It's not that far fetched from some of the absurdities we've been seeing lately.
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Post by MerryMom on Dec 1, 2015 17:29:09 GMT
Yeah, I don't think in a world that is supposedly waging a "war on Christmas," and where far-right American Christians claim persecution from a red cup, that we can assign all the blame for the culture of victimization to those on the left. I completely agree. At Thanksgiving, I had to listen my two "Tea Party-er, AFP, Koch Brothers and Faux News fueled mock rage" sisters go on and on and on about the red Starbucks coffee cup. After 19 minutes (and yes, that was the official mock rage time according to the clock on the opposite wall) of listening to their diatribe about Starbucks whilst saying to myself "Serenity now, serenity now, serenity now", I finally said, "Oh yes, to me, nothing celebrates the birth of Jesus Christ more than coffee cup with a a picture of polar bear wearing a scarf." My brother and dad absolutely cracked up laughing.
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Post by marianne on Dec 1, 2015 17:35:22 GMT
I read Piper's letter last week and couldn't agree more. We need more voices like his.
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