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Post by KikiPea on Jun 27, 2014 19:04:13 GMT
Trying to decide if Wili needs a friend. If you have 2 dogs, how did you know that it was right for your family? We've always been a 1 dog family, till we got Wili, but we only had him and Bomber together for 4 months. It was easier because Bomber was old and didn't need a lot of special attention, but it was also really hard because he was sick. (Wili was still new when Bomber started going down hill. I know that part will always be hard.)
I just don't want to get a second, then regret it. I have no doubt that we would love it just as much as Bomber and Wili, it's more about Wili thinking we love him less or is having a harder time shuffling things around, walking them together, money needed for their emergencies or regular health (teeth cleaning and grooming mostly.)
How do you know if it's right? I REALLY think Wili would benefit from it, but what if they don't get along??? Too many questions.
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Post by sharlag on Jun 27, 2014 19:16:12 GMT
I have always had 2 dogs (at least). They're pack animals, right?
THey do get jealous and crowd in to be petted first or more. They do jocky for favored positions near the humans on the couch, in the bed.
But they enjoy each other, overall. And keep each other company when no people are at home. They pile together for naps, hang out in the yard in clumps... bark in groups when one starts barking... it's obvious that having more than one in their group improves their quality of life.
Is there a way you can introduce potential 2nd dogs to Wili? If you get a younger, smaller dog, odds are Wili will naturally be alpha, and there won't be a high risk of conflict.
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Post by KikiPea on Jun 27, 2014 19:23:57 GMT
I have always had 2 dogs (at least). They're pack animals, right? THey do get jealous and crowd in to be petted first or more. They do jocky for favored positions near the humans on the couch, in the bed. But they enjoy each other, overall. And keep each other company when no people are at home. They pile together for naps, hang out in the yard in clumps... bark in groups when one starts barking... it's obvious that having more than one in their group improves their quality of life. Is there a way you can introduce potential 2nd dogs to Wili? If you get a younger, smaller dog, odds are Wili will naturally be alpha, and there won't be a high risk of conflict. Thanks, Sharla! That's what I'm hoping for, a smaller, maybe younger (He's 2, so I don't want MUCH younger...we don't do puppies. LOL), maybe even female? I'm hoping those would be the keys to them getting along well...or should we get another male?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 19:28:40 GMT
We have 3 dogs and have for about 8 years. When you bring a new dog into the pack, they have to work out who is in charge. Sometimes that means some growling and fighting to establish order. Our trainer has always taught us to break it up with a large pillow so we don't get hurt. It has always worked wonderfully. The fights have never been frequent but they did happen in the beginning. Our newest dog (just turned 3 years old) has not really been accepted by the other two dogs. They ignore him now. We think it's because he is different. They knew that but we didn't until last August when he was diagnosed with epilepsy. He had 3 seizures on Tuesday of this week alone. The other two dogs stay away. It's been hard but when we had our other "pack of 3," they were great together. I just think this group is different because of the illness of the other dog. You really won't know how they get along until they are together. I think in the future though I will stick with two dogs not three.
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Post by khaleesi on Jun 27, 2014 19:30:40 GMT
We added a second dog after Mollie being an only dog for almost 4 years. We talked about getting another dog while Mollie was still a puppy but we were not ready to make the commitment for a second one at the time. Then we got used to just having Mollie and were concerned about adding another into the mix. We finally decided we thought she would really benefit from having another dog around and added Penny last August. There was not anything that stood out as this is the right time, it was more of a feeling.
I will say it's been difficult and frustrating at times but they truly are buddies. They do not sleep together but on a rare occasion they will curl up with their backs to each other just lightly touching. I think they have bonded much more in the last few months when Mollie realized Penny wasn't just a guest and Penny has started to outgrow some of the puppy, she will be 1 in July.
Has Wili had opportunity to socialize with other dogs recently or regularly enough since your other passed away? Does he go to doggy day camp or have other dogs he can play with so you can observe and see how they are? Do you have any other pets? We had a cat when we brought Mollie home so she was at least aware of other animals living in the house and they were the best of buddies. We also socialized her often with other dogs.
I will not say it will be easy, there were times we wondered what we had done but seeing their interaction in the last couple of months made us realize it is worth it and we know they are benefiting. Mollie was content to take a walk every now and then but would rather lay around or lay where she can look out the window. Now, she runs around like a puppy again. We also made sure each one had one on one time with us and we would give Mollie treats that only she would get so she felt like her whole dog world wasn't upside down.
It is a decision only you and your family can make but I am happy to answer questions and tell you about our experience. Good luck!
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Post by BeckyTech on Jun 27, 2014 19:33:38 GMT
First, almost all the shelters that I've been to require you to bring your existing dog for a meet-and-greet to make sure they get along before you adopt. Let them spend about 15 minutes or so together. Most shelter people are adept enough at reading some of the finer points of dog body language to know if it is a good match or not.
Second, do you take Wili to the dog park and does he have a blast? That might be one point to use as a gauge. Although it could be he enjoys playing with others but would rather be an only dog.
The last thing I'm going to suggest will sound absolutely nuts to some people, but ... a good animal communicator will be able to give you a definite answer about what Wili wants. There is a pet store that I go to that hosts one several times a year at a rate that costs less than her normal rate. Out of curiosity, we went a few years ago. My SO was 100% skeptical and told me don't nod, don't smile, don't give her any hints at all. But I tell you what, she ended up telling us a few things that had absolutely nothing to do with animal behavior or our appearance and that she could not have possibly have known without communicating with our dogs. It was fascinating. She can also do readings from photos and if you want I will give you her website/e-mail address. It is an option...
As a matter of fact, we recently visited her again for a couple of different reasons. She helped quite a bit on what I had some questions about.
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Post by KikiPea on Jun 27, 2014 19:35:28 GMT
Thanks, Diane! Yes, he has been around other dogs. We have taken him to the dog park and doggy day care, occasionally, and he seems to have a good time. Although, sometimes he just goes to run around and doesn't necessarily play with the others much. He hasn't been since we moved, but we have seen how he interacts with other dogs, which is usually pretty good. We will most likely get the next dog from the same rescue where we got Wili. We trust them a lot. ETA: We do not have any other animals, and will not in the future. It's 1 or 2 dogs and no more.
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Post by Lissy007 on Jun 27, 2014 19:47:40 GMT
We have two dogs. Actually this is our second round of two. Our first dog was a basset hound and she was extremely lonely. DH and I both worked and she would howl while we were gone. Got a second dog and she was happy as pie! We had our basset for 15 years and our second (cocker) lived for nine years. We finally got another dog three years ago and she was a feisty little bitch! She would chase us and bite our feet. After a year we got a rescue dog...sweetest dog ever...because Daisy was so wild. They are best buddies and play constantly. For us, two has been what works. Our pups are happier having a sister.
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Post by ingrid6 on Jun 27, 2014 19:49:01 GMT
We've always had 3 and for the longest time it's been Shih Tzu's. Last year, Bella (who was 6) died very unexpectedly (she had a reaction to her vaccines). I never thought losing a dog could be so painful! While we could never replace her, 8 months later we decided that we were going to add another pup to the family. This time we got a huge dog. He was only a bit bigger than our other Tzu's when we got him, but he quickly towered over them and now, at 8 months old, he's 80 pounds and still growing.
I think it's easy to pay more attention to the newest member of the family, so we made sure that we paid extra attention to our other dogs. We let them get used to the new pup in their own sweet time. For one, it only took a day and for the other it took a couple of weeks. They all had to figure out the new pecking order and it's funny to see an 80 pound dog being bossed around by an 8 pound Shih Tzu.
Good luck!
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Post by sharlag on Jun 27, 2014 19:51:12 GMT
I was told by our vet that the more different (gender, size, and age), the less likely for alpha issues to occur. So, a female with Wili the male would be better.
My Midge and Mabel, girl Dachshund litter mates, fight quite seriously on occasion. They apparently haven't worked out who is alpha. Usually, Mabel is food alpha, and Midge is 'where we get to sleep' alpha.
It's funny to see MaxtheBeagle, who weighs 3 times the Dachshunds, gingerly climb into our queen size bed, afraid of incurring the wrath of tiny Midge, if he goes near her sleeping spot.
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Post by KikiPea on Jun 27, 2014 19:55:42 GMT
*She would chase us and bite our feet.*
Wili does that, too, when he's being playful. I think it's hilarious! I really do think he would benefit from having a friend. I just want to make sure it's right for all of us.
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Post by khaleesi on Jun 28, 2014 1:52:35 GMT
Something else to try could be to offer to dogsit for a friend for a weekend to see how it goes bringing another into "his house".
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Post by papersilly on Jun 28, 2014 1:58:23 GMT
We had always had one dog at a time but after we moved, we wondered if our dog couldn't use a friend. She is a great and loving dog who seemed happy and independent the first 2 years we had her. She was just not silly playful.
We went to the rescue where we got our first dog and found a Schnoodle who was the same age as her. He was smaller and more energetic so we wondered if they would get along. They met, got along, and now we have two! The schnoodle has taught the terrier to be more playful which is good for her. They run and chase each other and where one goes, the other is usually not far behind. Now I can't imagine ever having just one dog again.
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Post by ~Tracy~ on Jun 28, 2014 2:04:38 GMT
I actually think it's easier to have two dogs! They wear each other out, play with each other, sleep with each other, etc. They can engage in a way that we just can't engage with a dog.
We just added a puppy to our family in May, and she's the best! The dogs keep us busy and on our toes, but it's been awesome! (We have only females...no issues with alpha/leader/pack stuff. They figure out that quickly on their own.)
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Post by Katiepotatie on Jun 28, 2014 2:09:28 GMT
Our trainer talked us into two! She said that trainers are always baffled by single dog families because two are more fun and less work. Definitely more fun! But we're still in the "teenage" and puppy phases, and so there is still a lot of work! But we love how they interact. Here's a pic from yesterday. They're 3 mos and 1 year. Attachments:
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Post by akathy on Jun 28, 2014 2:22:05 GMT
My brother and his wire haired pointing griffon moved in with Stella and I a year ago. Stella and Cooper are both 7. Cooper is a very laid back dog and it took about a day for Stella to let him know she was the boss here. He weighs 80 pounds, she weighs 15. They happily coexist. I'm looking forward to the middle of July when my brother and Cooper move back to Michigan and having only one dog. Stella doesn't shed and Cooper does, a lot! The hair is really getting to me.
Anyway, I've had two dogs of my own before and they also just coexisted. I would never consider getting another just so the first one had a playmate. Too much work and expense for my tastes. I travel quite a bit and finding a dog sitter for one is hard enough.
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Post by pynke on Jun 28, 2014 2:22:33 GMT
I'm another who likes 2 dogs so they have a buddy. I have always had 2 then we went through some sad luck and almost gave up on getting a buddy for our 13yo Jack Russell. Last year my husband bought me a puppy. The two dogs are thick as thieves. Plus side: they keep each other company. Play each other out. Negative side: more food, vet bills double, more maintenance like grooming, less room on the couch. Attachment Deleted
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Post by stephofalltrades on Jun 28, 2014 2:30:04 GMT
I think a lot depends on the dog. Ziggy, the yorkie in my siggy, was 9yo when we got Penny as a 6 wk old Great Pyr mix puppy. He was well socialized with people, but never around many other animals, so other dogs generally make him uncomfortable. They don't fight or anything, they kind of just ignore each other now. As a puppy, she would try to play with him, he always just looked really awkward like he had no idea what she wanted from him. She quickly outgrew him and started playing outside with my sister's dog who is a year older than her and close to her size now that she's full grown. They are BFF's. If we were to ever move, of something were to happen to Drake (sister's dog) we would definitely have to get her a playmate. Our cat disappeared last year and she mourned him for quite some time. Ziggy could not care less if there was another animal around, I think he pretends they are not here.
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Post by mdoc on Jun 28, 2014 2:37:19 GMT
We were offered one of our first dog's littermates when the dogs were 5 months old because the family he originally went to couldn't keep him. We'd had our first dog for 3 months at that point.
On the plus side, having another dog to play and hang out with was a HUGE benefit for us and our dog. The dogs love being together, and we don't feel bad leaving them alone or not playing with them all the time. To this day when I watch them together (they're 7 now) I cannot imagine either of them not having a companion. On the negative side, our first dog picked up the bad habits of the new dog, who hadn't been well trained. We did know ahead of time that these two would get along. First of all, they were siblings and you could tell they still remembered each other. Second, they went to a puppy training class together (first dog with us, new dog with his first family) and you could tell they recognized each other and gravitated toward each other there.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jun 28, 2014 2:41:57 GMT
We just added a second in April. We have a 2 yo shih tzu and now an almost 5 month old shih tzu/bichon mix. Older pup is a female and our new baby is a male. I've heard sometimes adding a female to a household with a female can be difficult, but I have no idea how true that is. We mainly went opposite sex because we wanted to experience owning a male too. She definitely was a bit miffed when we picked him up and he got in the car with her, but honestly I think the minute we put them inside the fence and they started to run around a play they were fast becoming buddies. She's definitely the alpha, he's more laidback. We decided on 2 because she loved other dogs when out. Shih tzu's are very much people dogs, so she was with me almost constantly. I felt bad whenever she couldn't go somewhere with me. We enjoyed her so much we figured another would be even more fun. Plus if I had to go out, she'd have company and i'd have less guilt (how sad is that?!) She shares the attention very well, honestly I feel like she's less my buddy and more his now Most definitely worked out well for us.
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Post by peasapie on Jun 28, 2014 2:47:22 GMT
I don't know if you have considered a kitten, but we have a dog who was best pals with a cat here. When the cat died he got so depressed that we went out and got a new kitty. They play a lot.
About a second dog - I watched a Dog Whisperer episode on this. Maybe you can google it. He gives suggestions about how to introduce them the first time, which is very important.
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Post by KikiPea on Jun 28, 2014 2:53:20 GMT
Thanks everyone! This gives us a lot to think about!
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Post by oaksong on Jun 28, 2014 3:16:29 GMT
We have two big dogs, one smart and bossy, and the other not too smart but playful. I can't imagine how lonely and needy either one of them would be if they were an only dog. They need company and social interaction to be happy. If they have people to be around all of the time, it would be ok, but otherwise I think they need a companion. Our two dogs are so funny together, and they enjoy each other immensely.
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Post by MsKnit on Jun 28, 2014 3:37:35 GMT
2 dogs here.
We never, ever intended to have more than one dog. I was happy with the one dog.
Little Bit needed a home. So, we took him in.
My big dog was happy being an only dog. I have guilt that I ruined her happy life. She pretty much tolerates him most of the time. She's such a good dog.
Little Bit really didn't add too much extra work. He doesn't eat all that much, being a toy breed.
The big thing is the pet bills. Maintenance type things aren't too bad. But, the emergency bills have added a whole different layer.
With everything we have experienced, I don't regret having the 2 dogs. I love them both dearly! However, I would not plan to have 2 dogs again, specifically because of the expense that can be incurred.
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Post by KikiPea on Jun 28, 2014 5:42:44 GMT
I don't know if you have considered a kitten, but we have a dog who was best pals with a cat here. When the cat died he got so depressed that we went out and got a new kitty. They play a lot. About a second dog - I watched a Dog Whisperer episode on this. Maybe you can google it. He gives suggestions about how to introduce them the first time, which is very important. No cats here, we're allergic, DH much more than me. Thanks for the info!
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