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Post by sisterbdsq on Jul 25, 2014 17:01:52 GMT
Please, just don't. You want a do over with new kids because you think your EX is effing up your existing kids? You think your new husband is so superior to your mechanic husband, but you can't pay basic bills? Doctors have told you no and your own mother resorted to guerilla tactics to get you to stop breeding? These are serious indicators and flags in your face that you are not seeing. I'm sad for everyone in this story. Deaf people have jobs. Blind people have jobs. Amputees have jobs. YOU don't have a job. Stop blaming everyone else for your issues and stop being the victim. You have 2 children who need a strong mother and a strong family. Concentrate on that. Worrying over what you don't have/will never have is going to make your life, and everyone's, miserable. Plus, you picked a real great guy...love me and marry me knowing I CAN'T have kids then make me feel like a pile of shit for the rest of my life because you all of a sudden decide that's not the life you want. WTF is wrong with that? Only everything. Another plea for you to get therapy. It will help you if you let it.
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River
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Post by River on Jul 25, 2014 17:27:56 GMT
WOW! This is the first thread here to make it feel like the old bucket. So sorry OP! Many hugs and prayers that you'll find peace.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 19:04:06 GMT
First of all, I got my tubes after we were divorced. My ex said he'd go to counseling with me so we could get back together if he knew he didn't have to worry about any more kids. My parents were helping me with car insurance because the job I had at the time cut my hours. I had already cut down all of my bills as much as I could but still needed a little help as ex wasn't paying child support (no court order for one so he's not a deadbeat) When my insurance said monthly control wasn't covered but permanent was, my mother suggested I do that. After a while, she said I don't want any more grandkids and suggested that they'd stop paying my car insurance (which was getting them a bigger discount, btw) if I didn't do it. My mother was not watching my kids. I spent way too much time after my divorce trying to please my ex. I spent way too much time trying to meet my mother's standards. There's some resentment there, I know. That is probably what colors my view of my ex.
DH is a wonderful man. He does not go on and on about wanting a kid. He does get a little wistful when he sees a little kid playing with his Dad. I see that on his face. But he does not make me feel worse for not being able to have another child. He has said he'll be ok with it and maybe after the boys are out of the house, we could foster. It's harder on ME than it is on him. Really. I'm the one who is having the roller coaster of emotions, going through the guilt trips, etc. He's not putting it on me so knock off the he's an ass shit. It's all me and my own internal thoughts. I see him watching a Dad interact with a little kid and feel sad. He doesn't whine or pout or say anything. He doesn't bring it up unless I do. If we can't do this, then I think I'm going to be the one who is going to have a harder time than he will. He's not going to leave me because I can't have a kid. If I'm wrong, then he's not the man I thought he was. When we talked about pursuing IVF, I knew we would have to put money away and I knew it'd be slow because we're trying to pay extra on the big bills (house, car and student), plus braces and soon all the usual high school teenage stuff.
As for me not liking ex's job, it's not that I think being a mechanic is beneath me, DH or my kids. Ex is good. He understands cars and works hard. It's just frustrating to see that he was smart enough to take that mechanical ability and do more with it, but didn't. He has turned down at least two promotions I know of because he doesn't want more responsibility at work. Someone thinks he's good enough to run the shop but he doesn't want to. I see that attitude rubbing off on my kids. As for me thinking "do over" it's a selfish thought, something I usually keep to myself save for what I said here. It's just one of those "if I had a kid with DH, at least I know s/he would be encouraged to do more, go further, pursue their dreams instead of this is good enough" thoughts. Shitty? Perhaps. It's just me being selfish and hating the joint custody.
As for money, we have enough to pay the bills. That isn't a problem. It's making the choice between the want/needs of now and the dream of having a child. I want to be selfish and sock away as much as I can so that we don't go further into debt for something that isn't guarenteed. But I want to be the adult and say the money we have saved up (which really isn't much) would easily cover the car repairs without putting it on a card and then some. The feelings of frustrations come from feeling torn between all of that. DH knew what he was getting into. He changed his mind and said he'd love to have a child with me, let's see if that can happen. Sadly, there's too much scarring to make a reversal an option. Adoption or fostering may be our choice because I just don't see IVF being an option right now. And that is what I'm feeling sad over. I cannot have another child. It's frustrating because I got pregnant easily with these two. And I love them. I really do. I just hate sharing them with their Dad sometimes. (so sue me, I'm selfish) I hate it when they're gone.
Finding a job has been hard. Is it because I'm deaf? I don't know. Most of my experience has been in retail and customer service. I know plenty of people with disabilities have jobs. Don't think less of me because I'm whining about it. Sometimes I walk away from an interview thinking, they're not going to hire me because a good chunk of the job relies on being able to talk on the phone or use their radio system that does not work with my hearing aid. It's frustrating. I'm still looking but at this point, I'm just about ready to give up and just focus on being a homemaker.
My problem here is that I'm struggling to find peace with whatever decision we make. If it means going to counseling again, then so be it. I just needed to get it off my chest because it's not a conversation I want to have with DH while my kids are here. That and I just don't want to give up. It's hard to think that there's something you want but getting it is going to be harder than you can handle so maybe you should give up on it. I have to come to terms with the idea that we're going to have to set that dream aside, find an alternative (fostering or adoption), and focus on giving my kids the best life I can.
Ah, fuck it. I don't care what a bunch of strangers on the internet think of me, DH or my kids. I know DH is a wonderful man with his own faults. I know my kids are not going to go without. They may not get the XBox One for Christmas but they will have everything they need and more. I know I am not without problems, quirks or faults. I know I am human and will think thoughts that shouldn't be vocalized. I know my ex and I do not agree on much these days, that we have different parenting styles and hopes, dreams, and goals for the kids. I know he works hard and generally is a good person. He makes choices I don't agree with but hey, I'm not married to him anymore. As long as his choices don't have a negative impact on the boys, I don't really care. I have some choices to make and they're hard and with them, comes a whole mess of feelings. So what if it makes you think less of me or my family?
That said, thank you to those who understood.
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MaryC
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Post by MaryC on Jul 25, 2014 21:12:13 GMT
Have you contacted your state's department of vocational rehabilitation to see what assistance they can give you in your job search? Some states offer more services than others, but voc rehab can help locate job prospects; offer coaching; and sometimes they have grants for job training or the purchase of adaptive equipment.
Whatever happens, I hope you can find peace of mind.
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knotlazy
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Post by knotlazy on Jul 25, 2014 21:32:53 GMT
dknitter...I totally understand that you were venting here. Sometimes life choices don't turn out the way we think they will. I am sorry your are feeling that way. I would have had a bunch more kids if we had had more money at that time. But now that we have money....I'm too old. Oh well.
Sometimes we just have to appreciate what blessings we have. And go with that. I hope you and your dh can move forward and enjoy what you have now.
I send you a hug....I hope you find peace.
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haf2pea
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Post by haf2pea on Jul 25, 2014 21:33:17 GMT
You said you were just whining, and didn't want tips or suggestions. But, have you read your own post? You have a lot in there about financial issues, and you say you are just making it but it's getting harder and harder. Realistically, how in the world do you expect to add the cost of another child into your budget? And the extra cost to get pregnant? How would that ever be paid for? When you talk about your mom or his dad "helping you" do you expect them to give you the money rather than loan it? They might be very reluctant to contribute to increasing your financial strains long-term. I can feel your frustration and your regret at listening to others. Maybe some counseling would help you come to terms with past decisions. My thoughts exactly. It doesn't sound like you can afford another child. And having one just to please you and/or your DH is selfish as well as unfair to the unborn child and the two kids you already have.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 25, 2014 21:49:25 GMT
I'm sure that counseling can help you sort out your feelings and help you feel better about your conflicting emotions. It would do you well to get back into it for yourself and your peace of mind.
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Post by scrapsuzy on Jul 26, 2014 5:34:18 GMT
This doesn't necessarily make him a bad person. I have not gone after positions of more responsibility at my past two jobs because, frankly, you couldn't pay me enough to have to deal with the crap that those just one level above me have to deal with! My own dh did take a position one level and then two levels higher than his original job. And he would love to go back to the first level, but can't, and really misses the work that he did then, in the field that he went to school for, because now he mostly does paperwork and deals with problems, instead of being able to make a positive change like he had hoped he would.
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Post by I-95 on Jul 27, 2014 7:20:56 GMT
I'm sorry you're feeling sad. Do you suppose it might be your desire to please people that is making you want to have a baby with your current DH? I mean you had your tubes tied trying to please one man, and now you'd like to have baby to please another. Just a thought. Don't feel bad about saying you are concerned about your kids turning out to be unmotivated like your EX. I'm a total type A personality and have a hard time understanding people who are happy with the status quo. It took a long time to get it through my head that it's their life, not mine. I'd still be unhappy to see my kids being less than motivated to strive for more. I think we'd all like to see our kids do the best they can. Just do your best to motivate them and that's about all you can do. I think someone else suggested it, but with your hearing impairment, do you qualify for employment support....like special job training, or job placement assistance? My DD is deaf and she has a case worker who is is assigned to assist her in job placement. I know you said you didn't want or need advice...but hey, this is the Peas you're talkin' about here. We live to tell you how to live your life, it's our job and we take it seriously Oh, you sound like you may be experiencing some depression, go get a check up and see if some meds might help you get through this tough spot. Anyway, be kind to yourself and your family, work with what you've got and make it great.
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anniebygaslight
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jul 27, 2014 10:20:42 GMT
I can't get past this. What a cow. Please remember this when she needs your help. I hope you can find a solution to your dilemma. Best wishes x
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Post by heartcat on Jul 27, 2014 10:56:41 GMT
I understand that you were just looking to vent, and now probably feel defensive, but your second post is very different from your OP.
In the second you say:
'It's harder on ME than it is on him. Really. I'm the one who is having the roller coaster of emotions, going through the guilt trips, etc. He's not putting it on me so knock off the he's an ass shit. It's all me and my own internal thoughts. I see him watching a Dad interact with a little kid and feel sad. He doesn't whine or pout or say anything. He doesn't bring it up unless I do.'
Yet in your OP you said:
"At first he was ok with the whole no more kids thing. Then something changed and now he wants to have a child with me.'
and
"DH loves them but often looks at parents with younger children and say how much he wishes he could have that chance"
It seems that it is more than just 'you' and your 'internal thoughts' and I am concerned as to why you now characterize the situation this way. In the OP you said that he used to be okay with not having children but that something changed for 'him' and that he now wants that.
You initially said that he 'often' verbalizes how much he wishes he could have the chance to parent a child of his own, then you changed it to say that you him watching other parents but that he doesn't say anything or bring it up unless you do. And it's just you who feels badly for him all on your own, not because of anything he says or does.
I don't think it makes him an ass because he said one thing when you were first together, regarding children, and then changed his mind. People's wants and needs for their lives often shift. He was probably being honest when he first married you, and if his feelings have since changed, and he has verbalized that, that's okay.
But I am concerned that there is more going on than just you feeling badly about this all on your own. Whether intentionally or unintentionally there is pressure here from him. It is one thing to express a change in his thinking and feelings regarding having a child together. It is another if he really is 'often' saying how much he wishes he could have that chance to parent, knowing your current situation. The former is understandable, the second is getting manipulative and would be guilt inducing for most people.
I think it is natural that, knowing his feelings have changed, you regret the choice you made previously. But it seems that you have a history of trying to please other people and letting them coerce you into doing things that might not be in your best interests or what 'you' truly want at all.
Just make sure that you are seeing this situation....and your dh....clearly. Do not take on all of the guilt and blame for the point you find yourselves at now. Do not white wash things that your dh might be doing, and recognize how they are impacting your feelings and behaviours.
If your dh is truly okay with not having a child with you, and your second post suggests, then there is no need to feel guilty, or like a failure, etc. If he is bringing this up often, as your first post suggests, and intentionally or unintentionally making you feel these things, and making you feel pressured to find a way for the two of you to be able to raise another child together, then you need to make sure you are not just reacting to that, but doing something 'you' really want.
Have the two of you talked to a therapist about this? This is a major issue for your marriage, beyond the practical considersations. Perhaps being able to share your feelings in that environment, and having someone else guide the two of you into 'fair' ways to discuss and deal with this, might help you. Moreso than you feeling you have to take on more than you can handle to fulfill your dh's wish or else you will have single handedly let him down.
Best of luck.
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Post by transprntbutterfly on Jul 27, 2014 12:44:06 GMT
I as so sorry you are struggling with all of this.
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