|
Post by walkerdill on Jun 28, 2014 0:20:59 GMT
For me its all in how its used
|
|
|
Post by gypsymama on Jun 28, 2014 0:27:46 GMT
my mexican friends/coworkers/students call themselves brown all the time
|
|
|
Post by melissak on Jun 28, 2014 0:38:02 GMT
I have never heard anyone use the term before. My first thought was that it would be taken as offensive, but after hearing what the other posters have said I can also see how it may in fact not be taken that way. At this point I can't see myself using the term anytime soon.
|
|
|
Post by chaosisapony on Jun 28, 2014 0:49:42 GMT
No. But probably because Mexicans, Asians, and Puerto Ricans around here have been calling themselves that for years. My best friend's boyfriend is half Puerto Rican and half German. When people ask him what he is he just says he's "brown" and laughs. It's always said with a smile or a joke. I wouldn't think anything of it on a tv show.
|
|
QueenoftheSloths
Drama Llama
Member Since January 2004, 2,698 forum posts PeaNut Number: 122614 PeaBoard Title: StuckOnPeas
Posts: 5,955
Jun 26, 2014 0:29:24 GMT
|
Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jun 28, 2014 0:59:44 GMT
The twinnies on Amazing Race called themselves brownies. I believe they were from Sri Lanka?
|
|
|
Post by 2peafaithful on Jun 28, 2014 1:33:23 GMT
I am OK with it if is coming out of the mouth of a very young child but not an adult.
|
|
|
Post by pynke on Jun 28, 2014 1:43:51 GMT
There are too many rules for me to know what's right and wrong anymore.
|
|
|
Post by kristalina on Jun 28, 2014 1:50:36 GMT
I had a student from Haiti. When writing an email, someone called him African-American and his father corrected it. Not all people considered black are African-American. I guess maybe brown might fall into that realm. Not all brown people are Hispanic or even from either American continent. Did he ask you to refer to them as Haitian/American? My daughter just asked me what terminology is used in Europe for European born black people. Do people in England refer to UK-born black people African/English, do people in Italy call Italian-born black people African/Italian or is this primarily an American term? I use the term African American, I don't normally use the word black for African Americans but I had no idea what is PC in Europe! We don't use "brown" but it doesn't offend me. We will use Mexican/American or Mexican National, Salvadoran, Guatamalan or whatever. My husband is Mexican American and so are my kids. They refer to themselves as Mexican. Heck, my (very white skinned) daughter received quite a large Diversity Scholarship for school next year. Her essay was on skin color. She is very light skinned, her sister is very dark. It's actually harder on my light-skinned daughter, people don't assume she's Mexican and she hears all the ugly comments that are usually filtered around my darker girl.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 23, 2024 3:11:13 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 1:52:01 GMT
For me its all in how its used
|
|
raindancer
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,095
Jun 26, 2014 20:10:29 GMT
|
Post by raindancer on Jun 28, 2014 3:01:01 GMT
I had a student from Haiti. When writing an email, someone called him African-American and his father corrected it. Not all people considered black are African-American. I guess maybe brown might fall into that realm. Not all brown people are Hispanic or even from either American continent. Did he ask you to refer to them as Haitian/American? My daughter just asked me what terminology is used in Europe for European born black people. Do people in England refer to UK-born black people African/English, do people in Italy call Italian-born black people African/Italian or is this primarily an American term? I use the term African American, I don't normally use the word black for African Americans but I had no idea what is PC in Europe! We don't use "brown" but it doesn't offend me. We will use Mexican/American or Mexican National, Salvadoran, Guatamalan or whatever. My husband is Mexican American and so are my kids. They refer to themselves as Mexican. Heck, my (very white skinned) daughter received quite a large Diversity Scholarship for school next year. Her essay was on skin color. She is very light skinned, her sister is very dark. It's actually harder on my light-skinned daughter, people don't assume she's Mexican and she hears all the ugly comments that are usually filtered around my darker girl. ************** I know for Public Health purposes we use black for people not in the US, and black or African American both in the US. The importance is that it is consistent throughout your research, so you would not say black in one paragraph and AA in another in the same writing.
|
|
|
Post by freecharlie on Jun 28, 2014 3:44:47 GMT
He said black was fine or Hatian. He wasn't offended, but since they were born there, he thought it important to point it out.
|
|
georgiapea
Drama Llama
Posts: 6,846
Jun 27, 2014 18:02:10 GMT
|
Post by georgiapea on Jun 28, 2014 4:03:57 GMT
I have a guy friend who refers to himself as black, but for people of my background he always says caucasian.
|
|
|
Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 28, 2014 6:55:59 GMT
WEll, I was going to say no, because I know a lot of people who refer to themselves as brown/brown people. Maybe that's one of those things you're allowed to call yourself but other people can't use if they aren't part of that group? I think it does fall into the 'we can use this word but others can't' camp as I've known several brown people that have used it to describe themselves and others. I was even told by one that I'd make a good wife to a brown man
|
|
|
Post by kristalina on Jun 28, 2014 8:06:21 GMT
oh, thank you Raindancer and Freecharlie.
|
|
|
Post by gar on Jun 28, 2014 8:33:06 GMT
For me its all in how its used I hope that's true for the majority because honestly, I'm terrified of accidentally saying the wrong thing and upsetting or offending someone. If you asked 10 different people on 10 different days you'd probably get 10 different answers as to what offends and what's ok so I really hope the majority of folk will take the intention and context into account in their conversations.
|
|
|
Post by leftturnonly on Jun 28, 2014 8:42:53 GMT
I was watching CNN while baking this morning and I heard a commentator (interviewing a Latina) use the phrase "brown people, if you will..." My head flipped around and my first reaction was WTF did he just say? The commentator was African American if that makes a difference. Eh. Either all references to color are offensive or none are. If I had really dark skin pigmentation and was constantly referred to as African American no matter my ancestry, I'd be offended. Maybe it's time to start calling all lightly pigmented people European Americans, no matter their ancestry, and see how well that goes.
|
|
|
Post by VanC on Jun 28, 2014 10:00:42 GMT
My niece grew up in one of the "Whitest" small towns ever. She is currently serving an LDS mission in Brazil. She didn't even see a African American person that wasn't on TV til she was 10. She meets all shades of people every day now. When she said she loves "brown people" in her letters home at first I thought is was kind of weird, but now I'm getting used to it. She really does love them and all the new experiences and cultural differences she is encountering every day.
|
|
|
Post by tara on Jun 28, 2014 11:08:14 GMT
My hispanic son calls himself brown but he's only 7.
|
|
|
Post by redayh on Jun 28, 2014 13:38:52 GMT
No it doesn't. I am brown. Is "brown" somehow so bad that it should offend me? It's just an adjective like "tall." People truly get offended by the silliest things.
|
|
gloryjoy
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,332
Jun 26, 2014 12:35:32 GMT
|
Post by gloryjoy on Jun 28, 2014 13:43:04 GMT
I have a large group of Pakistani friends. They refer to themselves as "brown" My son's went to a highschool with a large number of Pakistani's. They also referred to themselves as "brown".
The first time I heard my son's call someone that I told them "you can't say that, it's offensive" to which they replied "they call themselves that all the time, they don't care".
I still think it is offensive to call someone something based on the color of their skin.
|
|
|
Post by lucyg on Jun 28, 2014 18:31:06 GMT
"Eh. Either all references to color are offensive or none are."
(Sorry, having trouble with a partial quote.)
I don't see how you can say that. You think describing someone as being a black or brown person is exactly the same thing as calling them a n*gger?
I think there are vast differences between a simple description and a deliberately offensive, and sometimes even threatening, derogatory slur.
|
|
scrappinmama
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,121
Jun 26, 2014 12:54:09 GMT
|
Post by scrappinmama on Jun 28, 2014 18:44:13 GMT
yes, No "people" should be called by their skin color. White people, brown, yellow, red. whatever. You can't pretend race/color doesn't exist. Derogatory comments are bad. Acknowledging that differences exist is just reality. I agree. As someone who is a minority, it is ok to notice the differences. As long as it isn't meant as some insult. Does anyone remember when George Bush was running for president? He referred to his grandchildren that were Hispanic, as his "little brown ones." I admit that I did take offense to that.
|
|
|
Post by leftturnonly on Jun 28, 2014 18:48:02 GMT
"I don't one see how you can say that. You think describing someone as being a black or brown person is exactly the same thing as calling them a n*gger? "
No. You know me better than that.
I think if it's OK to say someone is black or white, it's OK to say that they're brown.
Personally, I think brown is the only one that's even close anyway, but no one ever asked me when before they handed out these stupid designations.
|
|
|
Post by traceys on Jun 28, 2014 18:54:06 GMT
It needs to be evaluated in context, but I think it is usually offensive as you can see from Ann Coulter's recent statement: "The real, insidious, un-American reason soccer is undermining America as we know it is because brown people like it" I don't care much about Ann Coulter one way or another, but I don't believe the statement above is a quote from her. It is not from her recent column on soccer, but it was a statement made by someone else who was talking about her column and drawing his/her own conclusions. I'm not suggesting that anyone change their view of her, but I do think that she (and anybody else) should only have to take credit for what they actually do say, and not the words put in their mouths by others. As as to the original question, I think intent is pretty important in determining offense.
|
|
RosieKat
Drama Llama
PeaJect #12
Posts: 5,561
Jun 25, 2014 19:28:04 GMT
|
Post by RosieKat on Jun 28, 2014 19:55:23 GMT
It sounds like in the context it was used, it was as a substitute for something like "people of color." When it is relevant, such as it was there in pinning down a number of minorities, I don't think it's offensive. Ann Coulter just IS offensive.
When we adopted our son (biracial, black and white), I asked my various black friends what term I was supposed to be using these days for people who looked like them. It was really bothering me because as someone above pointed out, not everyone is from the same national background, and the term African-American can actually be an insult. (For example, my best friend is actually Kenyan.) Every single one of them said "Please just say black. We're tired of all this PC crap."
My son uses flavor names as skin descriptions. He discovered on a trip to Mexico about a year and a half ago that he was the exact color of the homemade chocolate milk he had there. Since then, he describes himself as "chocolate," but with the Spanish pronunciation, lol. Daddy is vanilla, sissy is strawberry, and I am peach with chocolate chips (freckles). He likes that I have the chocolate chips because it makes him feel that he looks a little bit more like me.
|
|
|
Post by leftturnonly on Jun 28, 2014 19:57:32 GMT
It sounds like in the context it was used, it was as a substitute for something like "people of color." When it is relevant, such as it was there in pinning down a number of minorities, I don't think it's offensive. Ann Coulter just IS offensive. When we adopted our son (biracial, black and white), I asked my various black friends what term I was supposed to be using these days for people who looked like them. It was really bothering me because as someone above pointed out, not everyone is from the same national background, and the term African-American can actually be an insult. (For example, my best friend is actually Kenyan.) Every single one of them said "Please just say black. We're tired of all this PC crap." My son uses flavor names as skin descriptions. He discovered on a trip to Mexico about a year and a half ago that he was the exact color of the homemade chocolate milk he had there. Since then, he describes himself as "chocolate," but with the Spanish pronunciation, lol. Daddy is vanilla, sissy is strawberry, and I am peach with chocolate chips (freckles). He likes that I have the chocolate chips because it makes him feel that he looks a little bit more like me. At least that makes sense. I think those are pretty wonderful colors to be.
|
|
RosieKat
Drama Llama
PeaJect #12
Posts: 5,561
Jun 25, 2014 19:28:04 GMT
|
Post by RosieKat on Jun 28, 2014 20:06:15 GMT
It sounds like in the context it was used, it was as a substitute for something like "people of color." When it is relevant, such as it was there in pinning down a number of minorities, I don't think it's offensive. Ann Coulter just IS offensive. When we adopted our son (biracial, black and white), I asked my various black friends what term I was supposed to be using these days for people who looked like them. It was really bothering me because as someone above pointed out, not everyone is from the same national background, and the term African-American can actually be an insult. (For example, my best friend is actually Kenyan.) Every single one of them said "Please just say black. We're tired of all this PC crap." My son uses flavor names as skin descriptions. He discovered on a trip to Mexico about a year and a half ago that he was the exact color of the homemade chocolate milk he had there. Since then, he describes himself as "chocolate," but with the Spanish pronunciation, lol. Daddy is vanilla, sissy is strawberry, and I am peach with chocolate chips (freckles). He likes that I have the chocolate chips because it makes him feel that he looks a little bit more like me. At least that makes sense. I think those are pretty wonderful colors to be. Me, too! Besides, we have silly joke between us, because he knows mommy loves chocolate, and I threaten to eat him all up. It's cool because it's our own silly little thing, but it also helps him internalize that he is beautiful and delicious the way he is!
|
|
pixelated
Junior Member
I like carrots! No carrots for you!
Posts: 89
Jun 28, 2014 12:35:16 GMT
|
Post by pixelated on Jun 28, 2014 20:07:24 GMT
I think it's offensive.
|
|
|
Post by eversograceful1 on Jun 28, 2014 20:33:18 GMT
My 5 year old and I have been having conversations about this very topic. She calls black people "brown" bc their skin is in fact brown. And I haven't found a good argument against it. DD once called black people "chocolate people"
|
|
|
Post by lucyg on Jun 29, 2014 2:39:37 GMT
"I don't one see how you can say that. You think describing someone as being a black or brown person is exactly the same thing as calling them a n*gger? " No. You know me better than that. I think if it's OK to say someone is black or white, it's OK to say that they're brown. Personally, I think brown is the only one that's even close anyway, but no one ever asked me when before they handed out these stupid designations. d'oh. I guess I totally misunderstood what you were saying. All my self-righteous indignation has gone to waste.
|
|