craftchickapowpow
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Post by craftchickapowpow on Jun 27, 2014 19:41:42 GMT
I was watching CNN while baking this morning and I heard a commentator (interviewing a Latina) use the phrase "brown people, if you will..." My head flipped around and my first reaction was WTF did he just say? The commentator was African American if that makes a difference.
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mimima
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Post by mimima on Jun 27, 2014 19:43:19 GMT
Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 19:44:13 GMT
Why yes, yes it would!
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 27, 2014 19:44:41 GMT
I'm not sure I would say offensive, but I certainly wouldn't use it and would question someone who did
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Grom Pea
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Post by Grom Pea on Jun 27, 2014 19:46:14 GMT
It offends me yes. And no I don't think you have the right to use out because you're also a minority, or friends of people who use it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 19:47:09 GMT
WEll, I was going to say no, because I know a lot of people who refer to themselves as brown/brown people. Maybe that's one of those things you're allowed to call yourself but other people can't use if they aren't part of that group?
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 27, 2014 19:49:17 GMT
Yes it would. FTR, the only people I have heard refer to themselves as 'brown' are of South Asian descent.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 27, 2014 19:49:36 GMT
yes, No "people" should be called by their skin color. White people, brown, yellow, red. whatever.
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Post by kelbel827 on Jun 27, 2014 19:52:49 GMT
I have a large group of Pakistani friends. They refer to themselves as "brown"
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Post by lucyg on Jun 27, 2014 19:54:10 GMT
I've heard it used a lot, by white people, brown people, and by TV commentators. It seems very normal to me as an alternative to "people of color," I guess. It includes many minorities.
However, since everyone here seems to think it's offensive, I will watch more closely where and under what circumstances I hear it in the future, and reconsider.
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Post by Miss Lerins Momma on Jun 27, 2014 19:55:03 GMT
My 5 year old and I have been having conversations about this very topic. She calls black people "brown" bc their skin is in fact brown. And I haven't found a good argument against it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 19:55:40 GMT
I've heard it used a lot, by white people, brown people, and by TV commentators. It seems very normal to me as an alternative to "people of color," I guess. It includes many minorities. However, since everyone here seems to think it's offensive, I will watch more closely where and under what circumstances I hear it in the future, and reconsider. I'm usually pro-sensitivity, so I'm surprised I'm one of the only people here who doesn't think it's offensive. And now I can totally hear the voice of this guy I used to work with, saying it.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 27, 2014 19:56:16 GMT
yes, No "people" should be called by their skin color. White people, brown, yellow, red. whatever. You can't pretend race/color doesn't exist. Derogatory comments are bad. Acknowledging that differences exist is just reality.
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Post by raindancer on Jun 27, 2014 19:56:48 GMT
Interesting. I've never thought to call anyone "brown people" but we say white people and black people...
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Post by blueswede on Jun 27, 2014 20:02:11 GMT
It needs to be evaluated in context, but I think it is usually offensive as you can see from Ann Coulter's recent statement:
"The real, insidious, un-American reason soccer is undermining America as we know it is because brown people like it"
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Post by eats_crayons on Jun 27, 2014 20:04:58 GMT
Nope. I'm Indian and I call myself brown So does my white husband! Lol
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Post by janice on Jun 27, 2014 20:07:40 GMT
Interesting. I've never thought to call anyone "brown people" but we say white people and black people... This makes sense but Honestly, it depends on the context in which it is used.
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Post by raindancer on Jun 27, 2014 20:27:55 GMT
Interesting. I've never thought to call anyone "brown people" but we say white people and black people... This makes sense but Honestly, it depends on the context in which it is used.As it is said in the above comment, it wouldn't matter what color she said, she did intend to offend. But that's just Ann Coulter, she lives to get herself in the spotlight for being "controversial" when really she is just being an asshat.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 27, 2014 20:30:06 GMT
Yes, I've heard it too often used in negative context - particularly when discussing immigration.
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Post by marianne on Jun 27, 2014 20:35:12 GMT
...She calls black people "brown" bc their skin is in fact brown...
So do I. Having grown weary of all the "PCness" we're bombarded with, it makes no sense to me at all to refer to anyone as black. I've never, ever seen a truly black person... I've seen many brown people. So, if I refer to an African American by color, I use the term brown. I don't see how anyone can find that offensive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 20:35:45 GMT
I too think the context is what matters. And many times that context is derogatory.
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Post by freebird on Jun 27, 2014 20:38:39 GMT
I'm not "white" technically. It doesn't offend me to be white. I call black people black, no one has ever been offended by that. I would call an Indian person Indian or Asian and Asian first though before I called them brown or some other color.
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Post by craftchickapowpow on Jun 27, 2014 20:42:21 GMT
They were talking about elder health of Hispanics and the rise of diabetes. The commentator was comparing the health of elder African American and Hispanics to other races and then used the phrase "brown people."
hummm, my reaction was instantaneously "WTF" but as I read the comments here and recall the context of the discussion, "WTF" may have been an overreaction.
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Post by akathy on Jun 27, 2014 20:54:33 GMT
Two of my grandsons were fathered by a Mexican man and they refer to themselves as brown. I see nothing wrong with it as long as it's not used in a derogatory way. They are the cutest brown boys you've ever seen too
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Post by Judy26 on Jun 27, 2014 21:01:46 GMT
My skin is kind of sort of brownish Pinkish yellowish white.
My eyes are grayish blueish green, But I’m told they look orange in the night.
My hair is reddish blondish brown, But it’s silver when it’s wet.
And all the colors I am inside Have not been invented yet…
I have a deep love of Shel Silverstein when he tries to explain difficult concepts to children. As adults we look so closely to determine whether something is offensive or derogatory. I realize it is important to honor heritage but I often wonder if we spent more time looking for the good in people rather than dissecting the nuances of simple words we might find out how similar we all are. In the words of my dear Granny, "It's not what you say, but how you say it."
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Post by Miss Ang on Jun 27, 2014 23:31:03 GMT
It's funny you ask that because the other day, 2 women and I were having a conversation and they both happened to be black. One of the women and I had witnessed something between a man and another teenager and she was telling the other woman about it. As she was explaining the situation she went on to describe the guy we were referring to and she called him by name and said, "You know him. He's a really big black guy.".
I adore both of these ladies but my spidey senses went up because I was surprised to hear those words. I know that I wouldn't have described him that way because I thought people found it offensive. Although, I did wonder how they would have reacted if I would have described the man as "a really big black guy". I guess I just always thought people would be offended by that. Maybe not?
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 27, 2014 23:36:29 GMT
I had a student from Haiti. When writing an email, someone called him African-American and his father corrected it. Not all people considered black are African-American. I guess maybe brown might fall into that realm. Not all brown people are Hispanic or even from either American continent.
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Post by my.unquiet.mind on Jun 28, 2014 0:00:12 GMT
My ds did this, too. When my ds was much younger (maybe 3 or 4 years old), he absolutely horrified me one day by telling me (loudly, in public) that he didn't like "black" people. Of course, I immediately started explaining to him that some words are hurtful and shouldn't be used, etc. He kept giving me the strangest, most confused look, like he couldn't figure out what the heck I was talking about. I worried that he wasn't understanding what I was trying to explain to him, so I finally referred to Michael Jordan, who was my son's hero at that point in his life. I started to ask him how he would feel if he had said words that hurt Michael Jordan's feelings, blah, blah, blah...until finally ds interrupted me and said "But mom, Michael Jordan isn't a black person. He's brown!" It turns out that my ds's definitions of who was a "black" person and who was a "brown" person were not at all what I'd expected. According to him, "black" people are people who have spent so much time artifically tanning that their skin has turned a nasty, unnatural, leathery color. So.....when he said that he didn't like "black" people, all he meant was that he wasn't a fan of the whole horrifyingly-overly-tan-burnt-to-a-crisp-look, which I'm not all that fond of either.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Jun 28, 2014 0:05:30 GMT
My 5 year old and I have been having conversations about this very topic. She calls black people "brown" bc their skin is in fact brown. And I haven't found a good argument against it. That reminds me of Alison at about that age. She came home talking about the brown boy one day. A few days later, she mentioned the black boy and the yellow girl. It took me a little while to figure out she was referring to hair color. I can't get too upset about describing a person by their physical attributes, as long as it is done in a sincere manner as a way of identifying others and not as a way to insult a person or a group of persons.
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Post by leannec on Jun 28, 2014 0:10:06 GMT
I've taught a huge amount of East Indian students and they have often referred to themselves as "brown" ... I see that Ashley also made a comment that it wasn't a problem in her experience ... maybe it's just a Canadian thing?
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