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Post by melissa on Jan 23, 2016 23:42:18 GMT
OK... so the virus may be present for up to 3 weeks. If trying to conceive, wait another month after you've returned home to be cautious.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jan 23, 2016 23:44:15 GMT
Maybe a dumb question, but are you immune to the virus once you've contracted it? Could a woman purposely get the virus when she is definitely not trying to conceive, then be immune to it (and her unborn baby safe) if she was bitten by an infected mosquito when she was pregnant?
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Post by tanya2 on Jan 24, 2016 3:39:20 GMT
hmmm wonder if this is the same cruise I'm taking! The Glory out of Miami on Feb 13th? No the Valor out of Port Canaveral on the 6th. That would have been a funny coincidence though, I could have met a refupea!
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Post by scrapaddie on Jan 31, 2016 4:04:17 GMT
It is spread my mosquitos Yes, mosquitoes transmit from host to hosts. More hosts with the virus, more transmissions. So migrant populations having the virus will cause the disease to spread. It is also believed to be transmitted through sex. I wonder if the transmission depends on species of mosquito..... There is so much they don't know, yet.
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Post by scrapaddie on Jan 31, 2016 4:06:31 GMT
Maybe a dumb question, but are you immune to the virus once you've contracted it? Could a woman purposely get the virus when she is definitely not trying to conceive, then be immune to it (and her unborn baby safe) if she was bitten by an infected mosquito when she was pregnant? There is so much they don't know. Some reports suggest the virus remains in the body.... Does it still affect infant development..may question still to be answered
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Post by pridemom on Feb 1, 2016 23:55:25 GMT
I'm booked on a week-long Carnival cruise to the western Caribbean next month and got an email from them today about this. It sounds like a serious medical concern -- especially for women of child-bearing ages. My DD's boss is currently trying to get pregnant and was supposed to take a similar cruise this spring. She had purchased travel insurance and tried to cancel for this reason, but was told that was not a covered reason. That makes no sense to me if the cruise lines are warning about it. Many of the cruise lines are working with passengers. She can contact her cruise line.
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Post by pridemom on Feb 1, 2016 23:57:57 GMT
OK... so the virus may be present for up to 3 weeks. If trying to conceive, wait another month after you've returned home to be cautious. I've read that if you do contract the virus, you should wait two years to try to conceive.
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Post by melissa on Feb 2, 2016 1:12:40 GMT
The above is not in the CDC info nor in the info from our MFM docs nor from ACOG (though I still have to do one more unit from that organization). It doesn't really make sense because most people have no idea they had the virus. The blood tests, at least here, are only for those who are pregnant AND have symptoms. As a piece of advice it does not make sense with what IS actually known about the biology of the virus.
Do you know where you read that? Specifically who is giving that advice and based on what scientific information?
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Feb 2, 2016 1:22:03 GMT
The above is not in the CDC info nor in the info from our MFM docs nor from ACOG (though I still have to do one more unit from that organization). It doesn't really make sense because most people have no idea they had the virus. The blood tests, at least here, are only for those who are pregnant AND have symptoms. As a piece of advice it does not make sense with what IS actually known about the biology of the virus. Do you know where you read that? Specifically who is giving that advice and based on what scientific information? Thank you for being the voice of reason. As frightening as the Zika virus is, the panic and hysteria is more so. I wish our government would make an announcement to the general public to clear things up further.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 2, 2016 1:48:09 GMT
The W.H.O declared a global health emergency today in this regard. It will trigger action and funding from governments around the world, as well as helping to standardize surveillance across countries. The seem to be trying to alert people without scaring them.
It's unclear whether Zika alone, or Zika combined with something else, is causing these birth defects. Also unclear whether a single type mosquito, or more than one type, can carry the virus. The point is -- they know very little for a fact, but want to err on the side of caution.
I'm glad they are not waiting to take action.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 2, 2016 1:49:53 GMT
The above is not in the CDC info nor in the info from our MFM docs nor from ACOG (though I still have to do one more unit from that organization). It doesn't really make sense because most people have no idea they had the virus. The blood tests, at least here, are only for those who are pregnant AND have symptoms. As a piece of advice it does not make sense with what IS actually known about the biology of the virus. Do you know where you read that? Specifically who is giving that advice and based on what scientific information? El Salvador Advises Women Not to get pregnant
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Post by melissa on Feb 2, 2016 2:09:47 GMT
Yes. That is very well publicized and different from telling people not to get pregnant for 2 years after infection. That's "don't get pregnant in the next 2 years."
Biologically, telling women not to get pregnant for 2 years AFTER infection is VERY different from telling them not to get pregnant at all.
The current understanding of the virus is that one becomes immune after infection. It's IgM that is being tested for to look for recent infection to evaluate the risk of neurological birth defects. It is recent infection that is believed to be the issue based on what is already known (ie finding live virus in amniotic fluid). Old infection is not believed to be a problem. The rationale for the government to make that recommendation is that the virus is so rampant that most will be immune to it in that time. It's a weird line of thinking but there may be a valid basis for it. Of course, we are talking about a very Catholic country where birth control is not readily available AND a country were there are large pockets of people who may not be privy to this information because of the infrastructure or lack there of. to say nothing of the rape and violence that occurs there as well.
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Post by raindancer on Feb 2, 2016 2:47:59 GMT
Yes, mosquitoes transmit from host to hosts. More hosts with the virus, more transmissions. So migrant populations having the virus will cause the disease to spread. It is also believed to be transmitted through sex. I wonder if the transmission depends on species of mosquito..... There is so much they don't know, yet. it is transmitted by the aedis egypti mosquito, the same mosquito that carries dengue, chycknegunya, and west nile. They are common in the southern US but with climate change they are moving ever northward.
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Post by melissa on Feb 2, 2016 4:13:11 GMT
Apparently, this species is not found in Canada or Chile.
Also, the existing blood test for IgG (looking at exposure in the more distant past, as opposed to IgM I mentioned elsewhere) is not particularly helpful in part because of the cross reactivity with dengue and chikungunya. Chinkungunya is now in South Florida, causes a nastier illness than Zika but isn't associated with these birth defects.
One of the articles I read as part of my mandatory reading discussed that Zika may have mutated. It's been known since the 1940's and was on the African continent but made it's way across the sea, thanks to our global society. It's only more recently that these birth defects seem to be associated with it. It is believed that there may have been a mutation that allows transplacental passage. The association seems like it will pan out and be an actual cause. Finding live virus in amniotic fluid certainly seems like it will turn out to be a strong piece of evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 19:36:03 GMT
I just received a news alert that the first case in Dallas county has been found and it was transmitted sexually. Details are supposed to be forthcoming.
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 2, 2016 20:14:43 GMT
I just received a news alert that the first case in Dallas county has been found and it was transmitted sexually. Details are supposed to be forthcoming. And so the hysteria begins... Maybe it's a good thing it's happening there. After Ebola it's possible they're one of the most connected to CDC. And hopefully learned some tips about communication, press, rumors, too.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Feb 2, 2016 20:23:03 GMT
Before everyone freaks out here is some information.
There have already been a few confirmed cases in the US from people who traveled there. The chance of it becoming wide spread here is NOT likely because we have better living conditions and better sanitation than they do in South America. We have seasons, they don't so the spread in continuous unlike here where when it gets cold, they die off.
All they are really saying is don't travel there if you don't have to. Especially if you are or plan to become pregnant.
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Post by jbelle on Feb 2, 2016 20:30:03 GMT
For you hysterics - Can't you just imagine pregnant women being quarantined for 9 months up until birth to avoid zika? Of course both parents to be will have to be tested before conception.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 20:41:17 GMT
I just received a news alert that the first case in Dallas county has been found and it was transmitted sexually. Details are supposed to be forthcoming. And so the hysteria begins... Maybe it's a good thing it's happening there. After Ebola it's possible they're one of the most connected to CDC. And hopefully learned some tips about communication, press, rumors, too. I don't get the hysteria comment. It's a fact, not hysterical fear mongering. CDC confirmed this case was transmitted sexually, which makes this a whole new ball of wax. Not to say that anyone should start freaking out, but neither should everyone assume they're immune because they haven't been to the area.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 20:43:51 GMT
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Post by raindancer on Feb 2, 2016 20:58:38 GMT
I just received a news alert that the first case in Dallas county has been found and it was transmitted sexually. Details are supposed to be forthcoming. And so the hysteria begins... Maybe it's a good thing it's happening there. After Ebola it's possible they're one of the most connected to CDC. And hopefully learned some tips about communication, press, rumors, too. There is a great cause for concern and people in the US are exceptionally not concerned about mosquito spread diseases because it hasn't been a huge problem here. But the problem is growing. And even a bottle cap of water can provide breeding grounds for them. They are dramatically harming thousands of people globally and a little more hysteria is exactly what we need. The US public is never more effective as when they become afraid, unfortunately for public health workers the only thing that scares them is a crisis in our own backyard. Let's hope our frantic research can turn up some very needed solutions. And in the meantime we need to be vigilant and concerned enough to act accordingly and to follow PH recommdations.
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 2, 2016 21:06:07 GMT
And so the hysteria begins... Maybe it's a good thing it's happening there. After Ebola it's possible they're one of the most connected to CDC. And hopefully learned some tips about communication, press, rumors, too. I don't get the hysteria comment. It's a fact, not hysterical fear mongering. CDC confirmed this case was transmitted sexually, which makes this a whole new ball of wax. Not to say that anyone should start freaking out, but neither should everyone assume they're immune because they haven't been to the area. I am not saying burningfeather was hysterical. But some people might be, and factoring "sexually transmitted" into the equation usually doesn't simplify matters in that region. I lived there, and know first hand. You might not remember last year, but facts did not deter many from spreading rumors or outlandish suppositions. Nor did facts stop some "news" outlets from reporting them. As said above, with the recent Ebola experience Dallas might be one of the cities best positioned to handle the peculiar combination of fact and rumor that will inevitably happen.
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Post by caro on Feb 2, 2016 21:18:38 GMT
If there is a sudden drop in birth rates for 2-3 years the social impact for decades will be mind boggling as well. But if your baby has microcephaly there would be a drop anyway if you are from a country with this virus.
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Post by caro on Feb 2, 2016 21:25:45 GMT
Another scary thought is who will care for persons with microcephaly if they live to adulthood and beyond. Most children with microcephaly are severely delayed.
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Post by cookiemum on Feb 2, 2016 22:11:33 GMT
Our news report this morning said they've found the Zika mosquitoes at Sydney Airport Mosquitoes found at Sydney AirportYears ago they would spray the planes with insecticides before they'd let anyone off. Wonder how long until that starts again. People in the US should not be complacent. It's only a matter of time until they start showing up there.
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Post by raindancer on Feb 2, 2016 22:32:59 GMT
I don't get the hysteria comment. It's a fact, not hysterical fear mongering. CDC confirmed this case was transmitted sexually, which makes this a whole new ball of wax. Not to say that anyone should start freaking out, but neither should everyone assume they're immune because they haven't been to the area. I am not saying burningfeather was hysterical. But some people might be, and factoring "sexually transmitted" into the equation usually doesn't simplify matters in that region. I lived there, and know first hand. You might not remember last year, but facts did not deter many from spreading rumors or outlandish suppositions. Nor did facts stop some "news" outlets from reporting them. As said above, with the recent Ebola experience Dallas might be one of the cities best positioned to handle the peculiar combination of fact and rumor that will inevitably happen. I have read your response multiple times and it doesn't make any sense. For starters sexually transmitted doesn't belong in quotes. And what do you mean simplify matters in the region? If it is spread via sexual contact, it just does. That's not trying to simplify something, it's defining a characteristic of the disease so we can better grasp what to do about it as a scientific and public health community. The peculiar combination happens when people use quotes around facts. It's equivalent to saying the earth is "round".
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Post by raindancer on Feb 2, 2016 22:34:43 GMT
Our news report this morning said they've found the Zika mosquitoes at Sydney Airport Mosquitoes found at Sydney AirportYears ago they would spray the planes with insecticides before they'd let anyone off. Wonder how long until that starts again. People in the US should not be complacent. It's only a matter of time until they start showing up there. I agree. And I am always slightly amused by how people can look at a map of imaginary lines and see that it's in Mexico but stops at the border. Vectors don't seem to care that much about human borders. The hold off is weather right now, mosquitoes tend to not breed when it's cold, but when spring comes, and temps rise, it will be here.
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Post by gar on Feb 2, 2016 22:51:42 GMT
I just received a news alert that the first case in Dallas county has been found and it was transmitted sexually. Details are supposed to be forthcoming. On our BBC evening news it said that sexual transmission hadn't been confirmed and that it could be via saliva for example. I wish I could remember who they were quoting but i think it was an American doctor. I'll see if I can find it on the BBC site.
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 2, 2016 23:02:46 GMT
I just received a news alert that the first case in Dallas county has been found and it was transmitted sexually. Details are supposed to be forthcoming. On our BBC evening news it said that sexual transmission hadn't been confirmed and that it could be via saliva for example. I wish I could remember who they were quoting but i think it was an American doctor. I'll see if I can find it on the BBC site. Our news is saying two cases reported in Dallas.
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Post by gar on Feb 2, 2016 23:29:41 GMT
On our BBC evening news it said that sexual transmission hadn't been confirmed and that it could be via saliva for example. I wish I could remember who they were quoting but i think it was an American doctor. I'll see if I can find it on the BBC site. Our news is saying two cases reported in Dallas. And confirmed as being sexually transmitted?
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