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Post by alissa103 on Feb 2, 2016 4:06:17 GMT
The same is true with Hobby Lobby and their Paper Studio line. It's taking over the whole paper crafting department. These companies must go to the CHA shows, find the things they like from the original manufacturers and take it to their Chinese manufacturers who are more than happy to knock off anyone else's stuff. Once they do, they push the original manufacturers out. It's pretty sad. I have to drive over an hour to see any of the regular scrap products in real life, and over an hour and a half to see anything from the companies I really like and want to buy (Doodlebug, Simple Stories, Bella Blvd, etc.). I live in a major metro area of over a million people and we have no real scrap stores left. You are absolutely correct. That *is* exactly what Hobby Lobby does. I did some freelance work for a manufacturer years ago and our contact there told us they were shopping the product around to LSSs, Micheals and Joann's, but not HL. Even back then they were notorious for ripping off ideas and manufacturing it themselves. This company wouldn't even take meetings with them. Really shady. You can see the results of this when you look at their Paper Studio brand for sure.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 2, 2016 18:00:18 GMT
I have bought some Recollections products, but they are not the quality of the name brands. One example is their knockoff of the ArtBin 12x12 paper carrier. The Recollections version is all you can get at Michaels now, and it is definitely not as good. It's disappointing to see this blatant copying with cheaper versions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 20:32:31 GMT
Don't know how true it is but a manager friend said it had to do with the amount of $$$ MS wanted and some other licensing dispute.
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Post by kitbop on Feb 2, 2016 21:28:36 GMT
Yup, MS stuff is all on clearance in Cambridge! I bought the punch that is 3 butterflies, but didn't succumb to anything else. It's at least 50% off. I too wondered if MS is going out of the scrapbook biz altogether.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Feb 2, 2016 21:49:51 GMT
This topic and many of the comments were enough to make me create an account after months of lurking...mostly to watch the SC drama.
Recollections isn't all a knock off. Most of the washi, for instance, is the same stuff that I buy overseas directly from China and often I am able to buy tapes that are sold from MME and Little B in the same shops as the washi that I'm finding at M's. Also, I've been to the AC Warehouse Sale in Utah and they sell Recollections stuff. And I've also purchased a warehouse box online from MME and there were Recollections paper pads in there. I'm fairly certain that much of the stuff that they sell under the Recollections brand is licensed material manufactured by the big brands for Michael's as an added source of revenue. These relationships are probably why the Hot Buy paper pads from big brands/names under the American Crafts umbrella are showing up there. I'm not saying everything is a partnership, but I'm positive that a lot of it is and is the same as if you bought it from the big names with their branding. A lot of it is probably perception that an 'exclusive' brand has to be better than a store brand so it automatically makes us think less of it. I felt the same way about Making Memories and never liked any of it because of it's branding...and yet, many of the same styles of fonts and finishes in alphas that were MM brand are being released with Heidi Swapp's branding and suddenly they are much more appealing to me. It's marketing, branding, etc that can make consumers think they are getting something different even when it's really the exact same thing.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 2, 2016 23:55:12 GMT
I'm sure the chains do make special deals with the manufacturers, but in many cases the products are not apples to apples comparisons with what you can get at the LSS.
The Simple Stories paper pads at Hobby Lobby are all single sided papers, the individual sheets at the LSS are all double sided. I've bought patterned paper at Hobby Lobby from We R in the past and not only is it single sided but it was also very thin. When I found some more of the exact same design elsewhere, it was cardstock weight and double sided. I bought some of the Hot Buy letter sized patterned paper packs (Amy Tangerine and Maggie Holmes) and the papers are thin single sided papers. They're fine for what I was going to do, but I'm pretty sure the real papers were cardstock weight, better quality papers.
Heidi Swapp designed for Making Memories way, way, way back when, so it makes sense that some of their products were similar to what she sells under her own name now.
The chains beat these companies up on price like you wouldn't believe. The only way they can sell the stuff as cheaply as they do to the chains is to sell them a lower quality, less expensive to manufacture product.
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 3, 2016 0:03:14 GMT
I'm friends with our local Michael's Manager and I asked her what's going on with the MS stuff and she told me that they're getting rid of it and bringing in more Ranger, Tim Holtz, stamping and Heidi stuff in as well as I'm sure more Recollections (which I didn't ask about). Now lets hope that she's right! I love MS punches, but I can see that with all of the mixed media projects available that she is probably correct.
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Post by wagleg on Feb 3, 2016 16:01:34 GMT
So now Michaels will own Pat Catans.
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Post by danimakesgood on Feb 3, 2016 17:28:17 GMT
I was just at mine Friday night and asked the manager about it. The entire store is moving closer to my house (two miles away!) and she said, "That's not going with us." but I thought it was just that store! So this is very interesting. Maybe Martha and Michaels just ended their contract and she's moving on to other things. The Recollections stuff is out of hand. I do not want Recollections stuff. I want brand name stuff and I do not understand why no chain store understands that! I refuse to buy the Recollections stuff. If we buy it, they'll keep makin it! Agreed! I don't not want Recollections stuff. Michaels frustrates me to no end. They never have what I need, but I'm always thinking I should stop by and check.
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Post by danimakesgood on Feb 3, 2016 17:33:16 GMT
I'm friends with our local Michael's Manager and I asked her what's going on with the MS stuff and she told me that they're getting rid of it and bringing in more Ranger, Tim Holtz, stamping and Heidi stuff in as well as I'm sure more Recollections (which I didn't ask about). Now lets hope that she's right! I love MS punches, but I can see that with all of the mixed media projects available that she is probably correct. Now if this is true and they're bringing in more Ranger and Tim Holtz, I'll be a happier customer!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 18:15:17 GMT
So now Michaels will own Pat Catans. Is that another craft store?
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Post by oaksong on Feb 3, 2016 18:41:38 GMT
This topic and many of the comments were enough to make me create an account after months of lurking...mostly to watch the SC drama. Recollections isn't all a knock off. Most of the washi, for instance, is the same stuff that I buy overseas directly from China and often I am able to buy tapes that are sold from MME and Little B in the same shops as the washi that I'm finding at M's. Also, I've been to the AC Warehouse Sale in Utah and they sell Recollections stuff. And I've also purchased a warehouse box online from MME and there were Recollections paper pads in there. I'm fairly certain that much of the stuff that they sell under the Recollections brand is licensed material manufactured by the big brands for Michael's as an added source of revenue. These relationships are probably why the Hot Buy paper pads from big brands/names under the American Crafts umbrella are showing up there. I'm not saying everything is a partnership, but I'm positive that a lot of it is and is the same as if you bought it from the big names with their branding. A lot of it is probably perception that an 'exclusive' brand has to be better than a store brand so it automatically makes us think less of it. I felt the same way about Making Memories and never liked any of it because of it's branding...and yet, many of the same styles of fonts and finishes in alphas that were MM brand are being released with Heidi Swapp's branding and suddenly they are much more appealing to me. It's marketing, branding, etc that can make consumers think they are getting something different even when it's really the exact same thing. I get what you're saying about the manufacturers being the same, and often producing the same item or something very similar. Personally, I like Recollections cardstock and the way it cuts on my Silhouette. And I do think that the quality of their craft products in general has improved. My biggest concern in all of this is that everything is now under a few big brands. None of the products they offer are innovative. They're copies of designs and trends that someone else's business created. Of course, something new can't have the exclusive edge forever, but if all of the offerings are big box store knock-offs (or exact product with a different label), the revenue stream is going to dry up for the creators of new products. How will Ranger fare once Michael's new line replaces theirs? Maybe Ranger can stay ahead of the game and continue to put out new products, with lots of online outlets. I'm sure it will be a big hit to them no matter how you look at it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 19:13:01 GMT
To continue oaksong's train of thought, what happens when Recollections, American Crafts, etc. put all the independent manu's out of business? Who do they get product ideas from then? Do these big companies then hire, say, MME's designers to come work for them? Are the smaller manufacturers shooting themselves in the foot (feet?) by letting all their stuff be re-purposed by Recollections? To stay in business now, are they putting themselves out of business later?
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Post by STBC on Feb 3, 2016 20:18:23 GMT
I know. I was actually looking at it for my daughter's room at Home Depot online. I ended up with something else, but her furniture got good reviews. I actually have a couple of pieces of MS furniture - a local thrift store used to pick up "scratch and dent" items from Home Decorators. My best score was one of these for a fraction of the price: Flat File Cabinet
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Post by mikklynn on Feb 3, 2016 21:14:42 GMT
I know. I was actually looking at it for my daughter's room at Home Depot online. I ended up with something else, but her furniture got good reviews. I actually have a couple of pieces of MS furniture - a local thrift store used to pick up "scratch and dent" items from Home Decorators. My best score was one of these for a fraction of the price: Flat File CabinetOh, I have lusted after that cabinet - in green! I love, love, love it.
Has it held up for you?
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Post by STBC on Feb 3, 2016 21:42:37 GMT
Yes - it's awesome. Very well built. Granted, I got it "scratch & dent" so it came with a few corner dings, but the drawers work great. I also have one of the one drawer file cabinets and I'm not as happy with it. Again, could be the scratch & dent thing, but the back bows out so the metal pieces for the hanging file folders pop out. My friend has several of the green pieces. They didn't seem to sell as quickly at the thrift store, believe it or not! At first, we didn't even realize that the pieces were MS, until we found them online. Once we did, we bought what we could whenever they had them! It was a great deal while it lasted.
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Post by katers415 on Feb 4, 2016 2:11:22 GMT
The Recollections stuff is out of hand. I do not want Recollections stuff. I want brand name stuff and I do not understand why no chain store understands that! I LOVE their adhesive runners though! I"m super picky and I have had the best luck with theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 8:00:52 GMT
I don't live close to Michael's any more but when I do go I always say I am going to the Recollections store. :)I hardly buy anything at Michael's. It is so sad. I loved that store.
The last time I went my Michael's did have the punches on clearance. I only bought one. I was wondering if Martha is phasing out areas of her paper crafting business since her magazine lines have been taken over. I hope not because I do like Martha's products. I always think her punches are the best next to Stampin Up. I know both those companies punches are produced by EK Success. EK Success punches are some of my least favorites next to Fiskars.
I really enjoyed this thread. I learned a lot and it will help me make better purchasing decisions. Thanks to everyone who commented.
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Post by Gennifer on Feb 4, 2016 9:01:03 GMT
To continue oaksong 's train of thought, what happens when Recollections, American Crafts, etc. put all the independent manu's out of business? Who do they get product ideas from then? Do these big companies then hire, say, MME's designers to come work for them? Are the smaller manufacturers shooting themselves in the foot (feet?) by letting all their stuff be re-purposed by Recollections? To stay in business now, are they putting themselves out of business later? I've designed a couple of paper lines for manufacturers, which were then rebranded and sold as Recollections. The royalty rate is significantly lower for Recollections than from the original manufacturer, so I can't see a benefit to a designer leaving a manufacturer for Recollections, personally.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 4, 2016 15:13:11 GMT
Wasn't all of the Martha Stewart stuff exclusive to Michael's at first? They never let you use coupons on any of it either. Now anybody can sell it so I would imagine it doesn't sell as fast or for as much because there's more competition out there.
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Post by Sassenach on Feb 7, 2016 5:25:05 GMT
I don't even step foot in Michaels anymore. I just buy on Amazon or online scrapbook stores.
Me too! I just saw their coupon for 20% your Entire Purchase, and I thought "I still can't think of anything in Michaels that I want to buy."
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Post by Delta Dawn on Feb 7, 2016 6:30:03 GMT
I, too, was just in Michaels and there was nothing MS left except for maybe a punch or two. Is Walmart still carrying MS? I bought some of her chalk paints maybe just in time?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 7:54:09 GMT
To continue oaksong 's train of thought, what happens when Recollections, American Crafts, etc. put all the independent manu's out of business? Who do they get product ideas from then? Do these big companies then hire, say, MME's designers to come work for them? Are the smaller manufacturers shooting themselves in the foot (feet?) by letting all their stuff be re-purposed by Recollections? To stay in business now, are they putting themselves out of business later? I've designed a couple of paper lines for manufacturers, which were then rebranded and sold as Recollections. The royalty rate is significantly lower for Recollections than from the original manufacturer, so I can't see a benefit to a designer leaving a manufacturer for Recollections, personally. Interesting, Gennifer. I didn't mean now, I meant down the road when "the bigs" have put all "the littles" out of business. Since the bigs will have no littles to copy designs from, they'll need to hire their own designers - which I assumed would be the former designers for the littles.
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Post by susanm on Feb 7, 2016 14:25:24 GMT
Pat Catan is local to me, it's been around as long as I can remember. They are headquartered in Strongsville, Ohio. Nice line of stores, carries everything Michaels does, just some different brands. If I'm not mistaken Lamrite/Pat Catan/ Darice are owned by the same people. I think this is about Michaels acquiring the Darice brand and manufacturing capabilities, not so much the chain of stores. So, I think that maybe why some brands might be disappearing is because Michaels plans on marketing their own brand (Darice) products.
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Post by imkat on Feb 8, 2016 14:09:30 GMT
I'm not a fan of Michael's Recollections line, other than their heavy white cardstock, which I absolutely love. I don't shop there as often as I used to because they really don't carry too many items of interest for me.
Same thing with Hobby Lobby and their Paper Studio line.
The design quality and production quality is just not there.
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Post by scraphappyinjax on Feb 8, 2016 16:22:24 GMT
This is off topic but does have to do w/ Martha Stewart and Staples. It looks like the Office by Martha Stewart line will be returning March 1st. Originally it was a collaboration w/ Avery but doesn't say if MS is partnering w/ another company. I love the pieces I bought when it first came out and look forward to seeing what will be new.
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Post by ilikepink on Feb 8, 2016 17:24:04 GMT
After seeing this thread last week, I went to Michael's on Friday - And wow. Nothing but Recollections! The MS was on sale - and all I could think was how fussy she was in the beginning - not on sale, no coupons, special hooks for the display. And now it's clearanced.
I didn't buy anything (didn't need anything, but heck I just got paid!!)
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 9, 2016 1:19:39 GMT
This is off topic but does have to do w/ Martha Stewart and Staples. It looks like the Office by Martha Stewart line will be returning March 1st. Originally it was a collaboration w/ Avery but doesn't say if MS is partnering w/ another company. I love the pieces I bought when it first came out and look forward to seeing what will be new. I have some of those pieces too, and they are nice. I have a cork board, a couple of the magnetic dry erase boards and a couple of the little slat wall pieces next to my desk. I was sad when I heard they weren't available anymore because I wanted to put some of the wall pieces over by my sewing machine on the other side of my studio. I'll have to check it out next month when the new stuff comes out.
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