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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 7, 2016 16:06:43 GMT
I am of the opinion that if there is a selective service registration, then everyone should be required to register. If we, as women, call for equality in all things then we should be prepared to deal with the repercussions of that call.
This would be one of those consequences. We can't pick and choose which equality we want.
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Post by katybee on Feb 7, 2016 16:20:48 GMT
Wait – will we still only earn 76% of men's pay?
Yeah, I will wait until women are guaranteed EQUAL pay under the law.
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Post by happymomma on Feb 7, 2016 16:22:25 GMT
Do you all think that women ARE treated equally in all aspects of life now? That's an honest question.
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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 7, 2016 16:35:21 GMT
Do you all think that women ARE treated equally in all aspects of life now? That's an honest question. No I don't. Which is why I say that you can't pick and choose which part of the fight you support. It should be all or nothing, and when you say no we don't want that part you weaken the whole argument.
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Post by happymomma on Feb 7, 2016 16:38:15 GMT
Do you all think that women ARE treated equally in all aspects of life now? That's an honest question. No I don't. Which is why I say that you can't pick and choose which part of the fight you support. It should be all or nothing, and when you say no we don't want that part you weaken the whole argument. See, my belief is that the day women are required to serve just like men is the day they better pass a law making them equal in all aspects of life. Then I looked it up and it seems there is already equal pay for women and men doing the same jobs in the same workplace. That's why I ask.
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Post by tincin on Feb 7, 2016 16:41:46 GMT
Pass the ERA Amendment and get back to me. Give women equal pay for equal work, then get back to me.
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Post by tincin on Feb 7, 2016 16:44:06 GMT
No I don't. Which is why I say that you can't pick and choose which part of the fight you support. It should be all or nothing, and when you say no we don't want that part you weaken the whole argument. See, my belief is that the day women are required to serve just like men is the day they better pass a law making them equal in all aspects of life. Then I looked it up and it seems there is already equal pay for women and men doing the same jobs in the same workplace. That's why I ask. Not sure where you looked that up but you are wrong. Women have closed the gap for sure, we are 18 cents closer to equal pay than we were 50 years ago. Think about that for a few minutes. We make 78 cents for every dollar men make. In 50 years we have gone from 60 cent to 78 cents, in another few decades we may just get there.
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Post by tincin on Feb 7, 2016 16:46:55 GMT
I think if we want to be equal as women, we need to accept all the responsibility that comes with equality. I completely agree but until we achieve equality, don't expect me to raise my hand for the hard stuff if I can't have the good stuff that goes with it. Pay me, pass ERA, start prosecuting rape instead of the victims and then I will say yes.
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Post by happymomma on Feb 7, 2016 16:48:54 GMT
See, my belief is that the day women are required to serve just like men is the day they better pass a law making them equal in all aspects of life. Then I looked it up and it seems there is already equal pay for women and men doing the same jobs in the same workplace. That's why I ask. Not sure where you looked that up but you are wrong. Women have closed the gap for sure, we are 18 cents closer to equal pay than we were 50 years ago. Think about that for a few minutes. We make 78 cents for every dollar men make. In 50 years we have gone from 60 cent to 78 cents, in another few decades we may just get there. Well it was actually from the White House website: www.whitehouse.gov/issues/equal-payIt states there is a gap, but not within same workplaces, which is about all they can do I guess.
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Post by tincin on Feb 7, 2016 16:58:39 GMT
Unequal pay is what those workplace rules forbidding you to talk about how much money you make are all about. It is well documented that women doing the same jobs as men are paid less in many companies. I make the same as my male counterparts because I am in a union. Otherwise, who knows? That's what the Lily Ledbetter Act is all about. She was an executive at Goodyear making far less than her male counterparts. Some women are more equal than othersCauses Even the White House agrees
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Post by maureen on Feb 7, 2016 17:18:30 GMT
Wait – will we still only earn 76% of men's pay? Yeah, I will wait until women are guaranteed EQUAL pay under the law. Women have been guaranteed equal pay since 1963 under the Equal Pay Act. If women want to talk about equal pay they should have all the facts. I am the only woman in my office who holds my title, five men also do the same job. I make more than most of them, one has worked with our company longer, and I bonus more than all of them. I'm the oldest person to hold my title in my office because I came to this career after spending 25 years in another industry. It's a matter of speaking up for yourself and putting your request for money where you mouth is.
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Post by maureen on Feb 7, 2016 17:30:28 GMT
Pass the ERA Amendment and get back to me. Give women equal pay for equal work, then get back to me. I ask in all sincerity, what part of the ERA would not be covered under the Constitution and current federal law?
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 7, 2016 17:35:02 GMT
Let's spin it another way- are pro choicers baby haters? You tell me - do "pro-choicers" say that everyone who gets pregnant should be forced by the state to abort their baby?
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 7, 2016 17:37:14 GMT
I'll get behind the all or nothing argument when the patriarchy of military leadership does something about those sexual assault statistics.
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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 7, 2016 17:38:26 GMT
No I don't. Which is why I say that you can't pick and choose which part of the fight you support. It should be all or nothing, and when you say no we don't want that part you weaken the whole argument. See, my belief is that the day women are required to serve just like men is the day they better pass a law making them equal in all aspects of life. Then I looked it up and it seems there is already equal pay for women and men doing the same jobs in the same workplace. That's why I ask. Different sides of the same coin maybe? I feel like woman can serve. To which capacity would be up to the individual talents and abilities of each woman called into service. Maybe not every one is cut out for actual combat, but that applies to both men and women-but if there were ever a moment that we had to cull the selective service registry for another draft, then it should be for everyone and those everyones can be slotted into the positions that they can fill-there are a ton of support roles that can filled by those who don't have the talent or inclination for front line combat.
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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 7, 2016 17:40:09 GMT
I'll get behind the all or nothing argument when the patriarchy of military leadership does something about those sexual assault statistics. I will definitely agree with that there is a serious issue with sexual assaults in the military.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 7, 2016 17:44:30 GMT
Wait – will we still only earn 76% of men's pay? Yeah, I will wait until women are guaranteed EQUAL pay under the law. Women have been guaranteed equal pay since 1963 under the Equal Pay Act. If women want to talk about equal pay they should have all the facts. I am the only woman in my office who holds my title, five men also do the same job. I make more than most of them, one has worked with our company longer, and I bonus more than all of them. I'm the oldest person to hold my title in my office because I came to this career after spending 25 years in another industry. It's a matter of speaking up for yourself and putting your request for money where you mouth is. It's not nearly that simple and you should know better than to use your anecdotal experience to try to prove a universal point. And I say that as someone who is suspicious of the details that add up to that 22-cent disparity. I've never seen it clearly explained exactly how that figure is arrived at.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Feb 7, 2016 17:47:04 GMT
It's illegal (NLRA) to forbid employees to discuss pay/benefits with each other. It's considered a concerted activity and is protected. Now, if I am being disruptive at work while I am talking about my pay and benefits, or interfering with other people who are trying to work, I can address that as an employer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 21:09:21 GMT
Absolutely not.
In addition to misogyny,sexual assault, widespread desertion of families and failure to pay child support, we have a lot to resolve before we need to require selective service registration for women. We are holding up a lot more than our half of the sky already.
And who is going to take care of the veterans coming home with catastrophic injuries, and PTSD? 99% it's going to be their mama or their wife.
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Post by tincin on Feb 7, 2016 22:52:23 GMT
Pass the ERA Amendment and get back to me. Give women equal pay for equal work, then get back to me. I ask in all sincerity, what part of the ERA would not be covered under the Constitution and current federal law? ERA whyEqual RightsStill needed
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Post by maureen on Feb 8, 2016 1:11:07 GMT
So we don't need it for anything other than because of fear-mongering.
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Post by tincin on Feb 8, 2016 2:53:48 GMT
I won't argue with you about it, maureen. I do believe we need it for many of the reasons included in the articles, you don't agree. I will agree to disagree.
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Post by RiverIsis on Feb 8, 2016 4:57:25 GMT
Devil's Advocate - this is a danger of being hoisted by our own petard. Men can easily say that as women don't sign up for Selective Service then they aren't willing to be equal and therefore should not get equal pay.
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Post by coaliesquirrel on Feb 8, 2016 18:09:07 GMT
Can I serve as a civilian, then? Because I don't take orders well (never have), and even in my fit youngsterhood would never have come close to being able to meet the strength/endurance requirements of boot camp.
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 8, 2016 18:17:47 GMT
I have no issue with this. And I would rather walk on fiery coals than share a diet coke with Marco Rubio.
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Post by ginacivey on Feb 8, 2016 19:47:17 GMT
I think each and every person should have to do at least 4 year in the services male or female. Not me. If I were in combat, I wouldn't want someone "having my six" who absolutely didn't want to be there and was curled in a fetal position crying and useless. Not everyone is cut out for the military, period. Heck, not everyone who voluntarily signs up is. Not everyone makes it through boot camp. Your very life depends on having capable people backing you up. I can name many people I know personally that I would not trust with my life. I know I for one would never ever been able to handle it, physically or mentally. I'll stick to people that at least believe they can handle it defending our country and protecting the lives of our fellow soldiers. maybe a 2 year stint serving your country in some capacity.
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Post by mommythree on Feb 8, 2016 21:52:17 GMT
He's a dick!! no need to worry, my white lab has a better shot at the presidency than he does!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 22:01:43 GMT
Not me. If I were in combat, I wouldn't want someone "having my six" who absolutely didn't want to be there and was curled in a fetal position crying and useless. Not everyone is cut out for the military, period. Heck, not everyone who voluntarily signs up is. Not everyone makes it through boot camp. Your very life depends on having capable people backing you up. I can name many people I know personally that I would not trust with my life. I know I for one would never ever been able to handle it, physically or mentally. I'll stick to people that at least believe they can handle it defending our country and protecting the lives of our fellow soldiers. maybe a 2 year stint serving your country in some capacity. Just because you serve doesn't mean you will be in the infantry. There are thousands of jobs who will never see the front line. I would fully support young people having to support our country in some capacity. Preferably in the military. To many families these days don't have any connection to the military.
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