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Post by breetheflea on Feb 7, 2016 15:48:44 GMT
of how they are taking over everything?
They own:
Bazzill Becky Higgins/Project Life Crate Paper Heidi Swapp Imaginsence (can never spell that one) Pebbles Pink Paislee We R Memory Keepers Amy Tan Shimelle Dear Lizzy Thickers Studio Calico
and I'm sure I am forgetting something or twelve
If they buy OA, Doodlebug or Echo Park there won't be anything left that they don't own (off the top of my head).
Just a random thought on a Sunday morning...
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Post by amom23 on Feb 7, 2016 15:51:47 GMT
Are you saying you aren't going to buy American Craft products anymore or just that you think they are overtaking the scrapbook world?
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Post by breetheflea on Feb 7, 2016 16:04:17 GMT
I don't know how you could NOT buy AC products, unless you did not use albums or page protectors.
I was just commenting on, how they seem to own EVERYTHING now.
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Post by mikklynn on Feb 7, 2016 16:37:11 GMT
I hate that AC is buying up other companies, but I wouldn't stop buying those products. I just don't think it will have any impact on AC, just on the number of choices available to me.
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Post by GiantsFan on Feb 7, 2016 16:43:51 GMT
I didn't know that AC owned all those companies. It doesn't bother me at all because what's the alternative? Those companies would possibly be out of business?
It's just like regular non-SBing companies Uni-Lever or Kraft or P&G. They own a lot of brands.
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Post by needtime2scrap on Feb 7, 2016 16:54:51 GMT
Studio Calico isn't associated with AC now.
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Feb 7, 2016 17:42:15 GMT
The owner of my closest LSS has a long-standing disagreement with American Crafts over broken promotional promises. The store won't stock anything from American Crafts. I was okay with that until AC bought Bazzill. WorldWin just doesn't cut it. I miss my Bazzill like crazy.
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Post by leeny on Feb 7, 2016 18:02:52 GMT
That's the American way. Happens in all industries.
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Post by acd on Feb 7, 2016 18:22:37 GMT
The owner of my closest LSS has a long-standing disagreement with American Crafts over broken promotional promises. The store won't stock anything from American Crafts. I was okay with that until AC bought Bazzill. WorldWin just doesn't cut it. I miss my Bazzill like crazy. I used to use Bazzill paper, especially when Archivers was on top and had an amazing selection. When they closed, I happened to try Close To My Heart paper while at a fundraiser crop. That is darn good paper. I order several packs of "daisy white" every few months. It is fantastic for stamping and it cuts beautifully in the silhouette. It is the perfect shade of white - no blue or yellow undertones. I don't actually use anything else CTMH only because I love so many different designers, companies etc. But that is the only white paper I buy. If you can find a rep close by, give it a try.
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Post by streetscrapper on Feb 7, 2016 19:55:01 GMT
I had no idea AC owned all of those companies! Wow!
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Post by FurryP on Feb 7, 2016 20:07:51 GMT
I used to use Bazzill paper, especially when Archivers was on top and had an amazing selection. When they closed, I happened to try Close To My Heart paper while at a fundraiser crop. That is darn good paper. I order several packs of "daisy white" every few months. It is fantastic for stamping and it cuts beautifully in the silhouette. It is the perfect shade of white - no blue or yellow undertones. I don't actually use anything else CTMH only because I love so many different designers, companies etc. But that is the only white paper I buy. If you can find a rep close by, give it a try. Thanks for posting that!
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Feb 7, 2016 20:45:55 GMT
The owner of my closest LSS has a long-standing disagreement with American Crafts over broken promotional promises. The store won't stock anything from American Crafts. I was okay with that until AC bought Bazzill. WorldWin just doesn't cut it. I miss my Bazzill like crazy. Then she's only hurting her own business. Crate Paper is probably the best selling line on the market right now. That would really frustrate me if I were her customer.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Feb 7, 2016 20:47:20 GMT
It does concern me that AC owns so much but only for the reason that where would be if they closed? But as someone said, thank goodness they did buy the businesses that we love so they didn't go out!
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Post by thracian on Feb 7, 2016 21:54:34 GMT
The owner of my closest LSS has a long-standing disagreement with American Crafts over broken promotional promises. The store won't stock anything from American Crafts. This is my situation as well. On the one hand, I get it, but on the other hand I shop there much less than I used to because of it. A few more companies not connected to American Crafts: Theresa Collins Graphic 45 Pinkfresh Studio Also, I don't think it's fair to say that AC took over the Amy Tangerine, Dear Lizzy, and Shimelle lines. They were AC from the beginning, not taken over later.
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Post by zinnia on Feb 7, 2016 21:59:16 GMT
My scrap store owner told me the same thing. She asked what we would like to see. When I mentioned ac sub companies she said she would not buy ac products. She told me a lot of scrap stores were burned by ac. They placed orders from for products , only to have their orders placed behind hsn, Michaels . She will not order from them. I told her that was too bad as I would be a big buyer of shimelle, crate paper, Amy tan, etc. I would even pay for the individual sheets over the paper pads that the box store carry. So now I have to get them online.
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Feb 7, 2016 22:14:46 GMT
Simple Stories is also an independent company (not affiliated with American Crafts) and is crazy popular in my area.
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Post by needtime2scrap on Feb 7, 2016 22:20:27 GMT
What about Echo Park, Fancy Pants and Kaisercraft? I believe that they are independent
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Post by impearia on Feb 8, 2016 0:20:01 GMT
Okay...some of those while "owned by" American Crafts were never owned by anyone else, they are just spin offs of their own brand. Things like Thickers, Dear Lizzy and Shimelle are collections developed by American Crafts. Other brands like Crate, Pebbles (in my pocket) and Bazzill were (probably) having financial issues and according to AC companies have been asking AC to buy them out. Would you rather the companies go away totally? Sure, I would like more variety in who owns these brands because I feel there has been a certain homogenization because they seem to share designers...
Under the AC Umbrella: Pink Paislee Bazzill Pebbles (in my Pocket) Heidi Swapp Crate Paper Project Life We R Memory Keepers Imaginscince
I don't count designer lines such as Amy Tangerine, Shimelle or Dear Lizzy ryc really because, as I said above they have always been with AC, they are simply collections by AC designed with scrap celebrities. They also developed Thickers. I do count Heidi Swapp because she has been with a lot of other companies in the past. AC did not develop HS on their own. HS came to AC at the same time as Pink Paislee because they were working together at that time.
Independent of AC: (this list is not comprehensive it is just what I could think of off the top of my head) Prima Tim Holtz/Ranger October Afternoon Carta Bella Authentique Graphic 45 Elle Studio Pinkfresh Studio Webster's Pages Simple Stories My Mind's Eye Lawn Fawn Kaisercraft Studio Calico Hero Arts Echo Park Doodlebug Jillibean Soup Cocoa Vanilla Bella Blvd K and Company EK Success
ETA Fancy Pants
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Post by JustTricia on Feb 8, 2016 2:25:32 GMT
The owner of my closest LSS has a long-standing disagreement with American Crafts over broken promotional promises. The store won't stock anything from American Crafts. I was okay with that until AC bought Bazzill. WorldWin just doesn't cut it. I miss my Bazzill like crazy. Then she's only hurting her own business. Crate Paper is probably the best selling line on the market right now. That would really frustrate me if I were her customer. It's a tough choice. You want to bring in what your customers want, but we also always say to let your money talk for you. I'm sure the stores know they're losing business, and I'm sure it wasn't an easy choice, but you have to admire them for taking a stand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 2:37:55 GMT
I bet those companies that AC has acquired are thrilled they were bought out rather than closed down.
The times they are a changin.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Feb 8, 2016 6:14:09 GMT
Then she's only hurting her own business. Crate Paper is probably the best selling line on the market right now. That would really frustrate me if I were her customer. It's a tough choice. You want to bring in what your customers want, but we also always say to let your money talk for you. I'm sure the stores know they're losing business, and I'm sure it wasn't an easy choice, but you have to admire them for taking a stand. Actually I've worked at four scrapbook stores and you make more money on Bazzill cardstock than anything so that's just dumb to me. Also, if you don't have the customers want, they'll buy it elsewhere and then where does that leave you? I say with American Crafts, I'd just work it out somehow. Just my opinion. Hope you don't mind me disagreeing with you. I am just always puzzled by LSS owners that don't cater to their customers desires. I've watched 10 stores here go out of biz and it's so disappointing.
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Post by JustTricia on Feb 8, 2016 13:26:52 GMT
It's a tough choice. You want to bring in what your customers want, but we also always say to let your money talk for you. I'm sure the stores know they're losing business, and I'm sure it wasn't an easy choice, but you have to admire them for taking a stand. Actually I've worked at four scrapbook stores and you make more money on Bazzill cardstock than anything so that's just dumb to me. Also, if you don't have the customers want, they'll buy it elsewhere and then where does that leave you? I say with American Crafts, I'd just work it out somehow. Just my opinion. Hope you don't mind me disagreeing with you. I am just always puzzled by LSS owners that don't cater to their customers desires. I've watched 10 stores here go out of biz and it's so disappointing. I just think it's a tough choice to have to make. Stand on your principles or risk losing your business. I'm sure this wasn't a decision the store owner made lightly. The person upthread who said their store wasn't ordering anymore said it was due to broken promises and sending product other places first by AC. So say you spend 50% of your cardstock budget on Bazzill. You order from AC, they tell you when it will come in. Your customers start asking about it because you're low or have run out of colors, so you tell them when it will be in. AC doesn't ship it to you, so you then have broken a promise to your customers as well. Yes, you tell them it was supposed to be there such date, but the majority of customers are just going to remember that you didn't have it. Your shelves are now half empty because you're waiting on product; meanwhile your customers are seeing it and buying it elsewhere. Do they believe you? "Other places have it, were they just lying to me and didn't order enough?" Or, in order not to break promises, you tell them it's on order, and then it takes forever to show. Again, do they believe you or think you didn't place an order? So instead of spending 50% of your budget on AC, you spend 100% of it on companies that you can rely on, companies that ship you product when they say they will, and try to keep the non-monopolies in business. We all know that there are as many crafters who read nothing online as there are that do (if everyone did, Studio Calico would be out of business or make good changes), so there are a ton of crafters who have no idea what Bazzill is compared to other cardstocks and buy what you have. So what's your choice? Spend the money and have half the product there so you can't sell it anyway, or spend the money, have the product there, and hope people buy it? If AC isn't sending the product, you can't sell it; your customers are going to buy it elsewhere, so that is also contributing to the store closing. Like I said, what a tough choice to make. Knowing what a huge profit Bazzill is, I doubt the stores made the decision due to one or two bad experiences. So, keep throwing money at something that isn't working for them, or try something different and know that if your business failed that you could stand by what you did. I'm not saying either is the best choice. I'm just looking at that multiple page Studio Calico thread and all the people that have had bad experiences with them, the talk of rate hikes and thinning or missing kits and closed threads and unanswered questions and changes days after cancellation deadlines. If even half their clientele stood up and said they won't be screwed by SC anymore, maybe that would cause them to change, maybe it would cause them to close, but that doesn't make how they treat their customers right. If they did close it would be due to poor business practices. And maybe that's what not selling AC is, but at least the store owners are taking a stand for what's right, not just not caring like SC is. It all starts with one step, whether it's by yourself and you can live with your own conscience, or people step in behind you and make change.
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Post by katieanna on Feb 8, 2016 21:14:42 GMT
of how they are taking over everything? They own: Bazzill Becky Higgins/Project Life Crate Paper Heidi Swapp Imaginsence (can never spell that one) Pebbles Pink Paislee We R Memory Keepers Amy Tan Shimelle Dear Lizzy Thickers Studio Calico and I'm sure I am forgetting something or twelve If they buy OA, Doodlebug or Echo Park there won't be anything left that they don't own (off the top of my head). Just a random thought on a Sunday morning... Wow, I didn't realize that AC had taken over so many scrapping companies.
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Post by katieanna on Feb 8, 2016 21:21:45 GMT
Okay...some of those while "owned by" American Crafts were never owned by anyone else, they are just spin offs of their own brand. Things like Thickers, Dear Lizzy and Shimelle are collections developed by American Crafts. Other brands like Crate, Pebbles (in my pocket) and Bazzill were (probably) having financial issues and according to AC companies have been asking AC to buy them out. Would you rather the companies go away totally? Sure, I would like more variety in who owns these brands because I feel there has been a certain homogenization because they seem to share designers... Under the AC Umbrella:Pink Paislee Bazzill Pebbles (in my Pocket) Heidi Swapp Crate Paper Project Life We R Memory Keepers Imaginscince I don't count designer lines such as Amy Tangerine, Shimelle or Dear Lizzy ryc really because, as I said above they have always been with AC, they are simply collections by AC designed with scrap celebrities. They also developed Thickers. I do count Heidi Swapp because she has been with a lot of other companies in the past. AC did not develop HS on their own. HS came to AC at the same time as Pink Paislee because they were working together at that time. Independent of AC: (this list is not comprehensive it is just what I could think of off the top of my head) Prima Tim Holtz/Ranger October Afternoon Carta Bella Authentique Graphic 45 Elle Studio Pinkfresh Studio Webster's Pages Simple Stories My Mind's Eye Lawn Fawn Kaisercraft Studio Calico Hero Arts Echo Park Doodlebug Jillibean Soup Cocoa Vanilla Bella Blvd K and Company EK Success ETA Fancy Pants impearia, thanks for the info; I'm bookmarking this for reference.
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Post by FurryP on Feb 9, 2016 2:33:58 GMT
All I have to say is that some of us are lucky to have all those companies, no matter who owns them, and not have to deal with the horrendous shipping charges that the internationals do.
I paid $12 shipping last month for a line I really wanted, and found all in one place. Every other store was out of one item or another. That is the most shipping I have paid in a very, very long time. I was in pain when I hit the submit button.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Feb 9, 2016 4:40:46 GMT
All I have to say is that some of us are lucky to have all those companies, no matter who owns them, and not have to deal with the horrendous shipping charges that the internationals do. I paid $12 shipping last month for a line I really wanted, and found all in one place. Every other store was out of one item or another. That is the most shipping I have paid in a very, very long time. I was in pain when I hit the submit button. Where was it that shipping cost that much??
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 9, 2016 15:04:11 GMT
All I have to say is that some of us are lucky to have all those companies, no matter who owns them, and not have to deal with the horrendous shipping charges that the internationals do. I paid $12 shipping last month for a line I really wanted, and found all in one place. Every other store was out of one item or another. That is the most shipping I have paid in a very, very long time. I was in pain when I hit the submit button. This is true. If not for AC buying them out, many most likely would be gone. All I have to do is think back on when I was unpacking all of my stuff that had been in boxes forever, and noting just how much of it is from companies that are long out of business! I'm glad I have what I have, and in some cases I'm sad that I didn't buy more of the stuff I really liked when I had the chance.
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Post by wonderwoman on Feb 9, 2016 17:15:17 GMT
I am sure Scrapbooks Etc. was happy when AC bought the Bazzill division of their company. I am grateful that AC has bought up so many smaller companies that may have gone out of business.. I wish they had bought Basic Grey, then they might still be making scrapbook paper....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 8:40:48 GMT
Wow, I didn't know Shimelle has her line with AC now. I am happy for her.
The recession was just hard on the crafting companies. AC had the money at the time to snag up those companies. I know a bunch of the owners were relieved that AC bought them. Probably helped the owners not go completely under and walk away with some profit. I will be the evil one here if I was rich I would snag up the companies too. This is why- It's a good investment. I think it's so sad when I hear a company go belly up. A lot of us know the owners personally. I worry about things like them losing their homes or losing their credit rating where they could not open up a different business in the future. If I could buy them up and help them out I would.
If AC came to me and dropped a bunch of money in my lap and let me have creative control of my work I would say yes to them.
If you look at Plaid they own a lot of companies too. Newell Rubbermaid owns Prisma the makers of our colored pencils. I buy a lot of stocks so I like companies that own a lot of companies. It makes me feel secure as an investor.
Yes, I do agree it's sad that large companies are acquiring the smaller ones. I wish it wasn't like that. Like Becky Higgins for example I would love for her to have her own business. If she had to deal with all the headaches of owning a small business now- the huge amount of government regulations, tax code laws and health care reforms she would hardly have any new collections coming out.
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Post by angee on Feb 15, 2016 17:09:07 GMT
All I have to say is that some of us are lucky to have all those companies, no matter who owns them, and not have to deal with the horrendous shipping charges that the internationals do. I paid $12 shipping last month for a line I really wanted, and found all in one place. Every other store was out of one item or another. That is the most shipping I have paid in a very, very long time. I was in pain when I hit the submit button. Where was it that shipping cost that much?? ACOT maybe? Their shipping is ridiculously high, and I have stopped ordering from them because it is so high. I added a package of die cuts (20 pieces), and my shipping jumped from $9.15 to $11.81 a jump of almost $3. Those die cuts don't weigh that much to make it jump in price like that. It seems like they determine shipping prices by amount of dollars ordered and not by weight, which really sucks. I went to another online store and was able to order everything besides one item that was out of stock, plus add a few more items, and paid about five dollars less in shipping. So I got more items for less shipping. I just don't understand how come their shipping is so high.
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