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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Feb 11, 2016 1:48:34 GMT
I don't mind answering the occasional question, but I really can't handle my nephew's international divorce, and I'm not going to handle your traffic ticket. I don't even fight my own traffic tickets. The cost of that ticket is less than one hour of time at my regular billing rate. This is how I feel when my dad calls to ask me about ESOPs (Employee Stock Ownership Plans). Not only do I not do anything financial, I am focused almost entirely on state law, and the most I can figure out about ESOPs is they are probably under a federal employment rule. I told him to call his sister the financial planner.
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Post by AussieMeg on Feb 11, 2016 1:51:16 GMT
I know on the other thread that I said I absolutely expect freebies or cheap deals, but honestly, I do know where to draw the line. I have a friend who is a doctor and I rarely ask her medical questions, knowing that she spends all her working days doing just that. Last year she wrote me a referral to a urology gyno after something came up in a conversation that she initiated. A couple of other times I have rung her to let her know that I booked my DD in to see her and what it was about. But I don’t want to take advantage of our friendship so that’s the only time I have called her regarding medical issues. When our DD’s did dancing classes together when they were little, I would make her daughter’s costumes for free – that’s 6 costumes a year for 6 years. I have also done photo shoots and put together slideshows and made invitations for her.
My DSO does a LOT of stuff for people for free. He used to be a landscape gardener and he still does some decking or retaining walls for friends. The most recent time that he built a deck for a friend, his friend helped him out with the labour. His friend tried to pay him but DSO refused. So then his friend got DSO some business cards printed for DSO’s business and gave them to him for free. That’s how it works with us and our friends and family – it’s a reciprocal arrangement. He built a deck at another friend’s house, and she gets us all free lens in our glasses. He helped another mate build a man cave, and his mate gave him….. well, nothing except a few beers! But DSO just saw it as a way to spend some time with a mate that he doesn’t otherwise see enough of.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Feb 11, 2016 1:55:08 GMT
In my case it ends up being customers that will say "I'm ordering two cakes and paying cash, do I get a discount?" Um,no - it takes me just as much time to make two cakes whether they are for two people or the same person. No multiple order discounts! I suspect they're asking more because of the cash than the two cakes. Mastercard/Visa terms of service prevent merchants from passing the transaction fee for card processing on to the customers. Some smaller businesses get around that by offering a discount equal to the MC/Visa % fee to customers who pay cash. (I don't know how Amex/Discover feel about it.)
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Post by ellen on Feb 11, 2016 2:00:34 GMT
My husband and his dad used to have a concrete company. When my husband (a teacher) and I were first married he would take on jobs during the summer so we'd have extra money. It was amazing how many people wanted him to do it free. My neighbors were the worst. They were all on the fire department and considered themselves to be his good buddies, so they bugged him the most. My husband is a nice guy and helped pour three large driveways in a span of five years. You would have thought that maybe one of them could offer to mow our lawn when we went on vacation, but no. Just a bunch of takers. My husband finally learned to say no.
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Post by auntkelly on Feb 11, 2016 2:04:02 GMT
My husband and I are both lawyers. We don't mind helping out family and friends when they ask us a question in an area of law in which we practice. We've looked at documents and written letters for friends and family many times and haven't charged them for our services.
There was one guy at church many years' ago who drove us nuts. He asked us legal questions almost every week after church, and acted like he was entitled to do so since we went to the same church. We finally had to put a stop to that.
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Post by perumbula on Feb 11, 2016 2:27:39 GMT
I don't take advantage of friends and family, but I am bothered if they take advantage of me and aren't willing to return the favor. My oldest brother bummed babysitting off on me several times a year when his son was small, but when I called asking an IT question (less often than I babysat for him) he couldn't be bothered to answer. If you're going to want me to do favors for you, you had better be willing to do favors for me.
My husband is a physical therapist assistant and people are always wanting his help. They twist an ankle or hurt their back or whatever and they call him. I totally get that most of the time they just want some advice and the injury isn't bad enough for a full course of PT. What they don't get is that he can lose his licence if he diagnoses injuries or determines a course of treatment. He's not allowed to do that according to this state. He can tell them to take pain meds, loosen up muscles, tell them how to alternate ice and heat, etc. but everyone wants him to push that line. He doesn't mind helping, but I don't think they realize that so much of what they want from him could cause him to lose his lively hood.
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Post by eleezybeth on Feb 11, 2016 2:51:32 GMT
This is a double edge sword for me. I am a clinical social worker. I get asked for A LOT of advice. It is annoying. Like one of the lawyers pointed out, I just simply tell them it is unethical. Unfortunately, I'm good in a crisis and receive way to many of those requests. I do get sucked in because I'd rather be annoyed than have a dead friend/family member.
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Post by txdancermom on Feb 11, 2016 3:04:45 GMT
I understand!
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Post by tallgirl on Feb 11, 2016 3:29:20 GMT
Chemical engineer here. I'm a professional who NEVER gets requests from friends or family.
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Post by kate on Feb 11, 2016 3:49:12 GMT
I am fortunate that my family is really diligent about paying me, even for things that I insist I'll do for free! You know, this thread has made me appreciate them - I had sometimes assumed that they paid me because they thought I needed the money (in a "poor relation" sense), but y'all have helped me reframe it into "they value my expertise and time." Thanks! I do get freebie requests from acquaintances. Those annoy me because they're often for events that I wouldn't ordinarily be attending, which means it's extra work AND an extra place to go.
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Post by julieb on Feb 11, 2016 5:32:09 GMT
I'm not a "professional", but I am very handy and crafty. I refinish furniture (for personal use) and always have someone wanting me to refinish something for them. I've done a few pieces for others, but I've stopped and now I just say that I would be happy to give them advice. They usually don't refinish it then.
I also sew and have people ask me to make t-shirt quilts and curtains. Again, I've said yes in the past and now I have learned to say no.
DH's two cousins, who I haven't seen in years, touched base with me on FB and asked me to refinish something for them. Those were easy no's.
As I've gotten older the no's have come easier.
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Post by beaglemom on Feb 11, 2016 5:47:24 GMT
I know it drives DH nuts when his family comes to him with computer problems. Yes, he is a software engineer, no he will not set up or build a computer for you. He works for a large tech firm, don't ask him how to trouble shoot your issues with another firm, he isn't familiar with their stuff.
One of my bil's is a pediatrician. I have emailed him a couple times with quick questions on whether he thinks I should take the kids into the doctor. I have always been really apologetic about it (because I do feel bad at times asking). But the last time we were out visiting he pulled me aside and told me that I could ask his advice anytime. Apparently his wife's sister (my other sil) who lives nearby is having him look at one or another of her kids constantly. He said that answering a couple questions over email was totally fine and he knew that I would never take offense if he told me to go get it checked by our doctor.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 11, 2016 7:02:47 GMT
Me too....and it never fails that everyone assumes I'm super busy from 1/1 to 4/15 doing taxes....yes I'm an accountant but not all accountants prepare tax returns for a living! I'm dreading going to my eye doc for this very reason. I'm a controller of a non-profit. He thinks I'm CPA/tax accountant (I've never ever said I was a CPA, to anyone!). Every year, "oh, you must be busy doing taxes". It drives me insane. I'm thinking of changing my appointment until June. But then he'd probably ask about quarterlies or something. My busiest time happens to be right now - audited statements for six big companies with a couple of larger reviews thrown in. It's been this way for this past number of years yet, when my mom calls and asks what I'm up to and I tell her I'm working this weekend, she always asks why I'm working weekends so early in 'the season'. 'The season' hasn't been a thing for me for years. Yet every year like clockwork, we have this same conversation.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Feb 11, 2016 8:15:21 GMT
I cringed when I saw the other thread. I'm a lawyer, I work a ton of hours, I have 3 kids, and the last thing I want to do with my very limited free time is deal with my family's legal problems. I don't practice in an area that most people typically need and therefore I don't have a broad base of knowledge about the typical problems my family has (like family law and minor criminal issues). I don't mind answering the occasional question, but I really can't handle my nephew's international divorce, and I'm not going to handle your traffic ticket. I don't even fight my own traffic tickets. The cost of that ticket is less than one hour of time at my regular billing rate. Maybe this makes me sound terrible, but I have helped out friends and family more than a few times and I really don't think they have any idea how much of my time it takes to help them. Because of my experiences, I'm very hesitant about asking for favors from other professional friends and family. Sitting with you on your bench, except I don't have kids. I don't like to ask my brother to look at anything mechanical, although he absolutely LOVES to tinker with stuff. I need a bit of time to read the thread and I owe a couple of peas some answers/ messages but I had to jump in here. BTW I had a very bad experience (I think it was just before the demise of the old board) with a pea here who called me selfish in the extreme for expressing our joint view, so beware ETA: now that I have read the thread I am reassured and I feel pretty normal. Seems like we are all overstretched and sometimes abused by the entitled. The most frequent irritation in my case is a relative who expects me to handle even the most mundane administrative tasks just because they have or may have a legal component. She is also known to argue with some of the advice given, the stuff she doesn't want to hear, then she makes a mess of things. Wash, rinse, repeat. Which makes my post a s/o of a post on another thread
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Post by miominmio on Feb 11, 2016 8:27:57 GMT
I cringed when I saw the other thread. I'm a lawyer, I work a ton of hours, I have 3 kids, and the last thing I want to do with my very limited free time is deal with my family's legal problems. I don't practice in an area that most people typically need and therefore I don't have a broad base of knowledge about the typical problems my family has (like family law and minor criminal issues). I don't mind answering the occasional question, but I really can't handle my nephew's international divorce, and I'm not going to handle your traffic ticket. I don't even fight my own traffic tickets. The cost of that ticket is less than one hour of time at my regular billing rate. Maybe this makes me sound terrible, but I have helped out friends and family more than a few times and I really don't think they have any idea how much of my time it takes to help them. Because of my experiences, I'm very hesitant about asking for favors from other professional friends and family. I soooo agree! Before I became a SAHM, I worked in a field that most people come in contact with sooner or later, and it does get tiresome to always be asked legal questions (even at a christmas party). And yes, "looking at" your case, might very well take me five to ten hours!
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Post by Delta Dawn on Feb 11, 2016 8:55:59 GMT
I worked in translation and tourism due to my "language abilities".
I have had every uninvited Japanese person in the world contact who has no reason to contact me telling me they wanted personal tours of my province and or to borrow my translation/interpretation abilities. Free of charge.
The true people I want to see don't have the money for trips like these and can't afford to come and see me. I would find them great accommodation close to my house or stay with me and we would rock the town out. *Sigh*.
NB I needed some accounting class help when I first studied an accounting course. I asked someone I figured at least would give me a general explanation of what I was supposed to be learning seeing how I pick him up and take him to the airport many times a year, cook his dinner every night, clean the house, walk the dog, mowed the lawn, dropped him and my mother off at parties and then picked them up, prepared and served food at their parties, took care of my mother for the last 20 years or so... I mean I just want you to tell me how to begin when you look at the first page. Would not do that. He said read it and come back if you have any questions. Yeah, that one still bugs me. I guess I am not over it yet.
I still had to translate at his Japanese parties, though. I was uninvited until I got a PANIC STRICKEN phone call from my mother, "ドーン, get dressed quickly as I am coming to get you. There is no one here who speaks any Japanese. Sorry about the disagreement earlier. Put on that dress from wherever and heels." This happened twice and it's funny how after the second time I think they learned to listen to me. (I suggested in my offhanded way that maybe they should have someone there who speaks Japanese, you know, just in case....no we are fine."
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Post by Delta Dawn on Feb 11, 2016 9:00:59 GMT
Ds' Great Grandpa, though, he was a general contractor with a successful business, you could ask him to do something (it may have involved brownies or something sweet to eat), but he would either do the project or look for projects to do that took a lot of time and energy. He loved to build stuff for us too. We got a stair well built, a bathroom gutted and re-made, and other household repairs. He took great pride in his work and he liked to show you how skilled he was (he was very skilled), and he wasn't a show off either. Hard to explain. I guess it is the need to be needed and he was awesome for anything we asked.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 11:56:06 GMT
This thread and other makes me glad while dh is a professional, no one needs a structural engineer in every day life.
My dad is a licensed electrician. Plus he was a mechanic in a previous life and is an all-around handy man. He gets calls all the time from friends and local family about repairs and other fix it jobs. My mom hates it because he'll always go help.
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Post by peaname on Feb 11, 2016 12:17:22 GMT
I have a nurse practitioner and a CPA in my family. As tempting as it is to ask them for help I refuse to because I wouldn't want someone else to take advantage of me like that. I'm a nurse and when my friends ask for my advice I recommend they call their own doctor's office because I'm not qualified to diagnose and the last thing I'd want to do is give out bad advice.
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Post by Really Red on Feb 11, 2016 12:36:44 GMT
I''ll just repost what I put on that thread: "To me, it's not about getting something for free, but like Darcy said, having someone you can trust to look out for your best interests and point you to the best person to answer your question/work on your issue. When I lived in TX, my one brother had a great address list of plumbers, roofers, car service technicians etc. Just the reference was so valuable.
So I have a doctor brother I call just to ask if I should go see a doctor and what kind (not for him to give me medical advice). I have a lawyer brother and SIL and same thing -- where should I go with this legal issue?
Hopefully those interactions are very short and easy for them and I would hope they would come to me with payroll/HR/work-related type questions."
And I would direct them to resources I have. I however wouldn't expect things like free roofs, free dental exams, free flights/cruises, etc. This is exactly it. I do the same. Plus, I'm a technical writer. You might not think that you'd get a lot of need for a tech writer, but "can you look over my resume" is something I get weekly. It takes me about 4 good hours to work on a resume to get it right. And you know what? I am thrilled to do it for my family and friends. I don't have 5 minutes to spare IRL, but my family and friends are always there for me and I couldn't be happier to do something small for them.
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Post by cakediva on Feb 11, 2016 12:57:10 GMT
In my case it ends up being customers that will say "I'm ordering two cakes and paying cash, do I get a discount?" Um,no - it takes me just as much time to make two cakes whether they are for two people or the same person. No multiple order discounts! I suspect they're asking more because of the cash than the two cakes. Mastercard/Visa terms of service prevent merchants from passing the transaction fee for card processing on to the customers. Some smaller businesses get around that by offering a discount equal to the MC/Visa % fee to customers who pay cash. (I don't know how Amex/Discover feel about it.) Maybe - I know this particular gal asked mre because of the two cakes.....and then told me I was too expensive. Most of my customers pay cash or cheque - I'm not a retail bakery, I run from a commercial kitchen in my basement. So while I have Square and can take credit card, I can't take debit/interac. So most people just pay cash. And really - the credit card charge is like, 2% of the sale - most of mine are under $100, so I'd be giving a $2 discount at the most. This gal wanted like $30 off because she was ordering 2 cakes!
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 11, 2016 13:06:38 GMT
Family members and a couple of friends have tried to draw me into making a diagnosis and or looking at their intimate parts because they have an itch/ rash, lump etc. I tell them that my insurance won't allow it and that they should see their GP. I have on 3 or 4 occasions delivered the babies of neighbours and acquaintances that have put in an unexpected appearance. That is different and I don't mind too much as long as I have a pair of gloves about my person.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 11, 2016 14:45:21 GMT
In my case it ends up being customers that will say "I'm ordering two cakes and paying cash, do I get a discount?" Um,no - it takes me just as much time to make two cakes whether they are for two people or the same person. No multiple order discounts! I suspect they're asking more because of the cash than the two cakes. Mastercard/Visa terms of service prevent merchants from passing the transaction fee for card processing on to the customers. Some smaller businesses get around that by offering a discount equal to the MC/Visa % fee to customers who pay cash. (I don't know how Amex/Discover feel about it.) This is no longer true since the rules for credit cards were changed in the consumer's favor a few years ago.
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Post by grinningcat on Feb 11, 2016 14:48:27 GMT
I suspect they're asking more because of the cash than the two cakes. Mastercard/Visa terms of service prevent merchants from passing the transaction fee for card processing on to the customers. Some smaller businesses get around that by offering a discount equal to the MC/Visa % fee to customers who pay cash. (I don't know how Amex/Discover feel about it.) This is no longer true since the rules for credit cards were changed in the consumer's favor a few years ago. That's true however the charges in question I think are for the merchant themselves rather than ones passed to the customer. I know we deal with some suppliers and clients that will give us significant discounts for cash transactions versus credit card ones, because they get around any associated cost with a card transaction. It is annoying to be asked but I've discovered, especially in the media/entertainment industry, that paying by cash is very common and that cash discounts are pretty much expected and given. It may have something to do with being able to record the transaction differently for tax purposes.
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Post by grinningcat on Feb 11, 2016 14:53:59 GMT
I was really surprised at how some peas in that thread expressed themselves as expecting discounts and free stuff and that their family member would automatically help them because faaaaaaaaamily.
I don't expect anyone to help me out of the goodness of their heart. That's just not right, nor fair to manipulate someone to do something because "that's what family does". If I am going to someone for help, I will ask them in an informal capacity what their rate would be for X and if they have the time to do it. And I expect the same courtesy in return. Often for me this turns into a barter situation, "sure I'll do X, if you'll do Y".
I just can't imagine expecting someone to be at my beck and call because they are family or close friends. I value them too much and expect others to do the same. There are too many people out there who have no clue how much time and value goes into the service they want for free. And don't get me started on clients who want it for free or really cheap.
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Post by *KAS* on Feb 11, 2016 17:05:46 GMT
My dad used to be a car dealer. I'll never forget something he said to me once. "When I closed my dealership, the biggest open bill accounts all had my last name." He felt 'obligated' to help out his family buy cars, which somehow turned into them being his problem to pay for.
I'm in marketing so I don't get asked for a lot of help. The only one I truly struggle with is my high school class reunion. I'm expected by everyone that I will plan it b/c I plan events for a living. But I'm too busy, and don't care that much. So that's why we are approaching 20 years and haven't had a reunion yet.
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Post by anniefb on Feb 11, 2016 17:19:58 GMT
My comment on the other thread was entirely tongue in cheek. We don't have a large family and most of its current members are either retired or minors so I'm not really expecting any free help, but it's nice to dream!
I'm an environmental lawyer - not the area that most people want help with, and most of my family is overseas so they've never asked for anything. My brother asks my advice but that's more in my role as 'older bossy sister' rather than my professional opinion. I used to get the occasional question at parties, but they're easy to sidestep when you don't really know much about the area in question - and as an employed lawyer I can't just provide legal advice to someone who isn't a client of the firm.
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Post by jenb72 on Feb 12, 2016 11:24:19 GMT
I'm a graphic artist - my friends, on occasion, have asked for my help and it always turns out to be more complicated than most of my clients' work. Thankfully they don't ask often, so I'm happy to help, but I can see where it would become a problem if they asked all the time.
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Post by compwalla on Feb 12, 2016 14:59:56 GMT
My husband doesn't love being the IT geek in the family, but it's definitely his role. I love that he will always do it even if he doesn't really want to. It's just how he is. I'm the librarian in the family, so that mostly just means everyone thinks I know what books they should be reading right now. That's pretty easy. My BIL is the family IT guy. I don't ask him for anything, I feel my parents have used all our family allotment Thankfully our family is full of IT people. Me, my brother, my sister, and my BIL are all involved in IT in some form or another. So when calls come in for tech support from our parents and in-laws they tend to get spread amongst us pretty evenly. When it comes to other experts in the family, I tend to ask where should I go for this or who should I see rather than ask for free advice and/or services. It just seems rude to want to get things from them for nothing when that's how they make a living.
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