Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 19, 2016 2:41:08 GMT
I'm surprised to not see a thread on this yet.
My take: The Pope has gone out of his way to extend grace to persons of all faiths and persons who don't have any faith at all. It's worth asking why he's unable to do so in this case.
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Post by scrapsuzy on Feb 19, 2016 2:45:41 GMT
When I read the "wall" quote, my first thought was "This from the guy who lives in a walled city-state."
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Post by Really Red on Feb 19, 2016 2:50:33 GMT
Did you hear his exact words (well, the translation)?
"A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian”
Okay, it's pretty obvious who this is directed to, but it is still not outright explicit.
I don't see how he's not extending grace in this case? Can you clarify?
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Post by Really Red on Feb 19, 2016 2:52:09 GMT
When I read the "wall" quote, my first thought was "This from the guy who lives in a walled city-state." Oh my heavens. A wall that was built who the heck knows when and that keeps people neither in nor out. No comparison. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 19, 2016 2:55:04 GMT
He's unable to extend grace to the person in favor of the wall. (i.e. even the Pope can't defend Trump's insanity.)
And yes, I agree that the comparisons to the wall around the Vatican city/state make me have the crazy eyes in real life. As in, you really can't see the difference?
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Post by scrapsuzy on Feb 19, 2016 3:03:05 GMT
And yes, I agree that the comparisons to the wall around the Vatican city/state make me have the crazy eyes in real life. As in, you really can't see the difference? I didn't say I couldn't see the difference. I was just saying what my first thought was, as a fan of neither of them. |
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 19, 2016 3:14:37 GMT
I thought the headlines were misleading when I heard what was actually said and none of the other Republican candidates have jumped on what the Pope said or denounced Trump because they also want a strengthening of the border.
I like the Pope, but think he was fed a line to get a response and reminds me of his "supporting" Kim Davis.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Feb 19, 2016 3:30:20 GMT
The quote I read was, "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not of building bridges, is not Christian. This is not the gospel. As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and I will give him the benefit of the doubt."
The benefit of the doubt is generous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 3:43:02 GMT
I don't hold the Pope's opinions in high regards so I don't think much of that statement.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Feb 19, 2016 3:44:24 GMT
I think calling this Pope a hypocrite for saying that is just silly!! This Pope didn't build the walls, the walls are thousands of years old. Heck, this pope doesn't even live in the Palace! silly.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Feb 19, 2016 3:50:26 GMT
But the pope does nothing to break down those walls. I happen to like this pope and I'm not Christian, so whatever he says about who is or is not Christian is of no relevance to me.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Feb 19, 2016 3:59:12 GMT
But the pope does nothing to break down those walls. He doesn't need to because he has opened the gates to the homeless and to refugees. He has chosen to live in a modest room in what is essentially a hostel for visiting religious and has not lived in the palace. He serves Mass to the janitors and caretakers at the Vatican and washes the feet of prisoners--men and women, Muslim and Christian. (I will add that I think it's interesting that Boehner invited the Pope to speak in front of Congress and now the conservatives are mad at the Pope for implying that their candidate is ungodly. He can't win.) |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Feb 19, 2016 4:02:00 GMT
Nobody can win...don't you know that?
Actually, I think this pope is a good man. He lives the life the New Testament says Jesus led. I think what many people just don't want to grasp is that both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders popularity is a testament to just how disenchanted people are with the status quo and typical Washington. Calling either of them names does nothing to address the real problem, which is people are fed up with the Washington establishment. And the failure of people to understand this strength of this phenomenon is going to result in us being subjected to 4 years of someone who shouldn't be president but who won because he was an outsider.
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Post by freebird on Feb 19, 2016 4:43:28 GMT
And at the end if the day, the Pope is still just a mortal man like the rest of us.
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Post by MadamG2U on Feb 19, 2016 16:34:22 GMT
Lauren, you hit it just right!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 16:39:31 GMT
Good publicity for trump. He was doing live call ins to the big 3 morning shows.
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Post by MerryMom on Feb 19, 2016 17:04:49 GMT
Just another example of how thin-skinned Donald Trump is.
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Post by jbelle on Feb 19, 2016 17:17:00 GMT
Just another example of how thin-skinned Donald Trump is. Who would remain silent if anyone, including the Pope, inferred that they were not of the faith that they claimed to be? |
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Post by kiki on Feb 19, 2016 17:25:23 GMT
Here is my question...
Are people that are in favor of planned parenthood, gay rights, abortions not "christian" as well? But I guess that wasn't asked of him on this trip. And if not asked then why not?
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Feb 19, 2016 17:38:02 GMT
Just another example of how thin-skinned Donald Trump is. Who would remain silent if anyone, including the Pope, inferred that they were not of the faith that they claimed to be? I think instead of lashing out I would try to demonstrate that I was walking the walk. Especially since the person he is supposed to be emulating said to turn the other cheek. |
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 19, 2016 17:41:14 GMT
Nobody can win...don't you know that? Actually, I think this pope is a good man. He lives the life the New Testament says Jesus led. I think what many people just don't want to grasp is that both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders popularity is a testament to just how disenchanted people are with the status quo and typical Washington. Calling either of them names does nothing to address the real problem, which is people are fed up with the Washington establishment. And the failure of people to understand this strength of this phenomenon is going to result in us being subjected to 4 years of someone who shouldn't be president but who won because he was an outsider. Man, I could not agree with this more!!!! |
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Post by MizIndependent on Feb 19, 2016 18:02:14 GMT
I'm surprised to not see a thread on this yet. My take: The Pope has gone out of his way to extend grace to persons of all faiths and persons who don't have any faith at all. It's worth asking why he's unable to do so in this case. It may be that the Pope sees Trump as a massive influencer. Should he make it into office, people will be guided by his policies and attitudes (well, they already are). |
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Post by jbelle on Feb 19, 2016 18:04:34 GMT
Who would remain silent if anyone, including the Pope, inferred that they were not of the faith that they claimed to be? I think instead of lashing out I would try to demonstrate that I was walking the walk. Especially since the person he is supposed to be emulating said to turn the other cheek. The Pope, Donald and the rest of those who believe have more to work on in this department. |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Feb 19, 2016 18:08:16 GMT
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My original pea date was November 1999 and my number was 1803
