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Post by jeremysgirl on Mar 4, 2016 20:16:15 GMT
I couldn't just read and run, so I'm going to toss in few thoughts from our own recent personal experience that may help you. When my now 17 year old started therapy for severe depression and anxiety disorder, one of the things that helped so much was a personal commitment to make a behavioral activation plan. It seemed so silly at first, but it worked wonders. In short, together, we made a list of a few goals that would make small positive changes that would eventually lead to small successes. The one thing that was on the top of the list was getting off the computer. My child had a tendency to find sites online that perpetuated his self-hate and depression; forums and tumblr pages of kids that were sinking into depression just like my ds, and they all seemed to feed off of each other. I'm not saying those sites don't have their place and provide kids a chance to vent, but for my ds in particular, they were a place to wallow and they didn't provide a light at the end of the tunnel. We agreed that the only sites he would visit with regard to his specific needs would be solution-based ones. That helped so much. We also made it our plan that every week we would get outside in the fresh air at least twice for an hour each time. This was huge for him, since he spent so much time in his room alone. Another part of our plan was that for most of the day when we WAS in his room alone, the door would stay open. That allowed the rest of the family to connect with him in some small way, and for him not to be able to isolate himself so easily. This might be easier said than done, and my ds was not as resistant to therapy as yours sounds right now, but know that there is hope, and stay with him. Keep reminding him how valuable he is to you, even when he pushes you away. We were eventually able to find the right medication, and the difference is night and day. It's hard for me to believe that just two short years ago, we were also facing a suicide risk, each and every day. It was the hardest thing I've ever gone through. But we did it, and I have the best, happiest kid, and you will, too. You are his greatest champion, and it sounds like he really needs you right now. I'll be sending up prayers. Thank you for sharing your experience. Hugs to you. I'm glad you have seen the light at the end of the tunnel. My DS is thankfully not into social media and things like that. He is right in the living room so I have a chance to supervise his online doings and I know he's only gaming. I like your suggestions and now that we have hopefully some nice weather on the way next week, maybe I can get him out for a bike ride with me. I tried getting him to go to the gym with me, but he has been so down that he seems like he doesn't have the energy to go. I keep trying though.
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Post by hollymolly on Mar 4, 2016 20:17:43 GMT
Hugs to you. You are doing a good job. There is a lot of good advice on this thread, but it sounds like you've got this.
I so understand the mommy guilt. My DS inherited my anxiety and depression and it can be overwhelming sometimes. It's also too easy to put myself in his shoes and forget that his illness is a little bit different than mine.
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Post by knit.pea on Mar 4, 2016 20:28:16 GMT
It's a really rough age for kids, with hormones, dating, etc. Sounds like the girl is a bright spot in his life  Please make sure he realizes HE is a great person, on his own ... those relationships can turn on a dime at that age.
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Post by idahomom on Mar 4, 2016 23:00:27 GMT
I'm in your shoes. My daughter is 15. Last year I found out she was cutting and we got her into counseling. She talks to me a lot and claims I'm her biggest support and the person she trusts the most. I thought it had stopped. A few weeks ago I saw cuts on her arms again, gave her a hug, and asked if she wanted to talk. She started hyperventilating and wouldn't stop so we headed to the ER. The ER doctor was great and makes a good counselor. Her biggest trigger came out and it's my husband's anger issues. He doesn't get mad at us, but he yells a lot and loses his temper at the smallest things, several times a day. His road rage is unbearable. She's a pretty sensitive kid. The ER doctor gave him the punch in the gut that he needed and my husband started counseling immediately as well as my daughter. The next day we also saw our family doctor who started my daughter on Prozac.
My daughter goes to an all honors high school with some college classes. This was her choice and she begged for her. She's been asked more than once if she still wants to go there. Trigger #2 is school stress. Last week I knew she was stressing about an Arabic presentation. She gets severe anxiety with presentations. I asked her that night if she had stayed safe. After telling me no and my nagging, she said she had cut her legs. My plan was to call her counselor about it in the morning. My daughter did not want to go to school that morning. She was very angry when I made her go and I got angry texts about how I say I want to help her, but making her be at school when she just couldn't that day isn't helping. We had a prior plan in place with the school nurse that if she gets overwhelmed or needs a breather she has permission to come to the quiet room in her office for a few minutes. That morning I texted my daughter back and said to meet me in the nurse's office. She couldn't calm down and just wanted to come home. I told her coming home and snuggling on the couch doesn't fix things and if we were leaving school then we were stopping at our family doctor's office. Maybe the Prozac was having the opposite effects. I was shocked when the nurse asked my daughter if she has hurt herself recently or thought about suicide. When she said yes the nurse said we needed to head to the ER.
We spent a long upsetting day in the ER. My daughter didn't have a specific suicide plan, but told the nurse that knew how she would do it if she decided. The ER recommended that we admit her to a local psychiatric hospital for an inpatient teen program called Journey's. That was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life (and I held my first son in my arms while he died shortly after birth). Leaving her there while she's crying begging us not to leave her was heartbreaking. She had daily meeting with a psychiatrist, group therapy, one-on-one counseling. The psychiatrist increased her Prozac and started an anxiety medication. While she was gone we thoroughly cleaned her room (she's messy) and found a box with different blades and some blades in a book. We also bought several lock boxes and now have one for sharps and several for medications.
She came home Saturday. She's been back to school and managing. We'll get her caught up on work she missed last week over the weekend. Just yesterday I noticed that she seems a little more relaxed and has more smiles. The strange thing is that it's like she's reversed a few years. She always wants to be with me (trigger #5 was "when I'm away from my mom"). I met her for lunch at school a few times this week because her good friend who keeps her grounded at school was out sick. I typically sleep on the couch due to husband's snoring and she's been sleeping downstairs with me. She hasn't wanted to drive her new Kia Soul (currently has learner's permit) in weeks. As soon as school work is done she buries herself in an adult coloring book (a good stress reliever). She hasn't spent any time in her bedroom. I am afraid to leave her alone too much right now honestly. I think things are falling into place, but it takes time. My husband has been on perfect behavior which is reducing the home stress. I've been sitting with her while she does schoolwork and helping where I can. She has counseling set and follow-ups with the psychiatrist to manage medications.
While in the hospital labs were done, specifically thyroid since I have thyroid issues. Her labs came back normal, but physical exam shows an abnormally large thyroid. Tuesday she's having an ultrasound and possible needle biopsy. It would be nice if there's a physical cause for her depression and anxiety. Otherwise, I believe people do have chemical imbalances - just like my thyroid - not everyone has perfect levels of everything. Unlike your son, my daughter does want help. She says she doesn't feel right in her head and wants to know why.
It's a scary road ahead. Counseling takes time as she is a very quiet shy kid too and medications can take a couple of months to have full effect. I debated whether admitting her at this point was the right thing, but I kept thinking about the mom of a boy her age that we've known since kindergarten who took his life in October. We went to his funeral on Halloween. I kept thinking if she could reverse one day, would she have admitted her son and gotten any help possible? I'm betting she would. I hope/think I did the right thing. The medical bills are now rolling in to a tune of $4,000 to the ER and $10,000 to the hospital, but that is worth her life. I'm going to be persistent in getting to the bottom of the issue - whether it be physical, emotional, chemical imbalance - and get her whatever help she needs. I couldn't imagine life without her.
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Post by ilikepink on Mar 5, 2016 0:27:13 GMT
First, hugs to all of you moms going through these rough times with your children. It's so hard.
My ODS had no where near the difficulties and challenges that your children, but he did have issues that he needed to work through. He was reluctant, and what I did was to push the "this is for you, alone, to become the best possible you there can be" idea. We had dinner together those nights sometimes, and I tried to make it as pleasant as possible. It all seemed to help a bit.
This is one of those things where the punishment route may not work and rewards may be taken better. Teen boys are trying to become men and not having necessarily a real clue in how to do that. Just as when they were 2 and "do myself mommy", this process has to be on their terms and timeline. A goal should be to avoid the natural boy-stubbornness. Obviously, if there are serious problems and issues, you need to prod things along.
And, I know you know, but take the suicide talk seriously...always....he can call the suicide hotline anytime and the trained people can talk to him through the rough moment.
Hugs, OP, and to all the other parents going through this.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Mar 5, 2016 0:32:19 GMT
idahomom that is scary. I'm so sorry you are dealing with this too. I'm glad to hear that your daughter is interested in getting help. It's very frustrating when you know your child needs help but doesn't want to get it. I think my son wants help but he just doesn't know the best way to get it. I am going to keep your daughter in my prayers. Thank you, though, for sharing your story. It does make me feel better to know that if it gets to the point where we have to consider hospitalization other mothers have had the strength to follow through. It's hard to know sometimes when it's gotten to the point where you just have to force your kids to do it. Right now, I am still trying to get him to want to take advantage of the help. Seriously peas I have been so overwhelmed and knowing that some of you have been through this and are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel makes me feel hopeful. You all have given me such good advice and support and I really appreciate it.
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Post by anniefb on Mar 5, 2016 1:24:58 GMT
No advice but I'm sending cyber hugs and prayers for you and DS.
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Post by mlynn on Mar 5, 2016 10:55:57 GMT
I keep trying to relate my own experience to him, as someone with bipolar disorder who has been where he is right now. But I think he's having a hard time understanding that because he can only remember me well, taking good care of myself. He even made a comment last week that broke my heart about how he is crazy. I asked him if he thought I was crazy. He said no. And then I told him that if I didn't have therapy and medication I would feel crazy too. So I understand.
I am trying everything I can think of to help him. I am being very honest about my experience. I keep trying to tell him that I would not be as together and successful as I am without the CBT and the medication. I am trying to encourage him to stick with it. And right now, we are basically drifting week to week with him protesting going to the therapy.
Right now, he has agreed to go next week, which is good. But I am wondering if you had a teen like this who was resistant to therapy, what worked for you? I am wondering if you ended up punishing them into going? Ex-husband says I should take his computer away if he refuses to go.
I am looking for any suggestions or experience you guys might have. And please be gentle with me, I am experiencing a lot of mom guilt right now as I feel like I have passed my broken brain onto my child. And I'm just really worried sick about him. I would not take the punishment route. At least not yet. I would imagine that there needs to be some willingness on his part for treatment to be effective. Punishment could turn this into a control/teen power struggle issue, and I would imagine that is the last thing either of you needs.
I would see if there is a treatment program that he could sit in on for exposure to where it heads if not taken care of - especially a teen program. Or perhaps the therapist may have a teen patient that he could talk to whose condition deteriorated more than his has so far. Or perhaps there is a video resource that could show him where this heads and then shows the person under treatment so he can see the benefit and see what you are hoping to nip in the bud.
I would contact Elennah. Ask her if she would be willing to talk to him. Then ask him if he would be willing to talk to her about her struggle. If I remember correctly, in the past she has gone off meds (or cut back on meds) when she felt she had things under control. But I must admit that I think I would try a teen boy -- he would identify with the teen more and maybe feel more (secure?) about opening up and be more willing to listen.
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Post by bdhudak on Mar 5, 2016 17:43:29 GMT
Hugs Mom. Been there in your shoes. We are on the other side now and doing good.Looking back our son started having physical symptoms before all the depression affects started in. His left side would freeze up. Vomiting and all kids of issues. We doctored, went to neurologists, MRI testing, bloodwork..... Turns our he was internalizing his worries. He says he tried taking pills a few times, and during my husbands cancer treatment in 2012 his symptoms worsened . From age 13-17 he struggled to appear normal to us. As an active practicing christian family he was scared to tell us he was gay. He was so angry and confused - why him, and he is smart enough to know the world would be a challenge for him to live this way. After an attempt at suicide and not successful - thank God- he told his friends and they told a school counselor and he called us. So our son got admitted to a local hospital and then referred an inpatient adolescent therapy program for a week. This program really made a huge difference to him. Helped him to open up about his worries, see other kids worse off than himself and open his eyes little more to accepting himself as gay. So many of the other kids were there because of drug problems and thankfully this was not an issue for our family. Our therapy office has a lot of different doctors on staff, and Jack, our son, went through them. Finally it was the fourth counselor that was a good fit, got him to open up and dad and I would go a few time too just to check in and participate in conversations maybe for about ten minutes then leave the session. The overwhelming choices in the world today seem to bombard our kids in a way we did not have to travel through. We continue to be open, ask those hard questions. Now Jack is a freshman in college and manages his medicine on his own, he knows this will be a lifelong necessity just like his glasses. He is on 60 mg of Prozac daily. He is 2 hours from home and I worry every day, we made sure there were Mental Health offices near and he knew where to go for help if he needs to talk. The weight loss and hair color are just attempts at them trying to have some sense of control on something in their life. It is hard to find an inpatient facility for under 18, but I suggest you consider and inpatient stay. If will give him a chance to relax without the outside world expecting anything from him and he may start to open up and share. That is our Jack my photo he is 19 now and at least opens up when he has a few bad days not and doesn't hold it in. We are here for you.
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Post by scrapmaven on Mar 5, 2016 19:04:16 GMT
You're taking great care of your ds everytime you take him to therapy. Throwing meds at someone w/o working on the foundation does nothing to help a person to learn how to handle their feelings and thoughts. Your ds needs a good treatment plan and a loving mom to lean on when the going gets tough. I also agree w/reward for going to therapy until it becomes a normal part of the weekly routine. You're doing fine, mom. Your son sounds like he needs a lot of support and people to pick him up not put him down as is being done at school. Though I might push for quicker appointment w/the psychiatrist. Can you try and get on a waiting list?
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 5, 2016 20:10:32 GMT
I have no advice, but I am sending love and hugs to you, Mama! It's hard to be a parent.
Also, I want to add how much I admire you for your willingness to share about your own mental health. Thank you.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Mar 5, 2016 20:26:57 GMT
bdhudak thank you for sharing your story. All these encouraging stories give me hope. I'm glad your DS is on the right road. Hugs to you.
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Post by RosieKat on Mar 6, 2016 2:54:11 GMT
Just a few thoughts -
Some people need to get on the right meds before therapy is helpful. I've had on and off problems with depression, and find that getting on the right meds helps me actually give a crap about doing the other things I need to do (i.e. therapy). If I can't get that kick in the pants from the meds, then a therapist can be the most brilliant person in the world and it's still a waste of my time. I'm not gonna hear it, and I'm sure not gonna do it (the "homework" parts of it). He might be a person who needs to get past that hump before the therapy can help.
Second, while it does sound like his symptoms are of unipolar depression, please be sure the psychiatrist knows of your medical history as well. If he actually does have bipolar that is not stabilized, treating only for unipolar can trigger a manic episode. (You may well know this already, but as it's something I've seen in action, I feel the need to share.) Apparently the current thinking is that many people diagnosed with depression - particularly those who have a medication-resistant depression - actually have a form of bipolar.
And please continue to do all the things you need to do to keep yourself as healthy as possible. You can't help anyone if you aren't in a healthy place.
I'm part of on online support group for parents of children with bipolar - if it should come to that, feel free to PM me and I can give you the info.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Mar 6, 2016 4:54:59 GMT
Please, do not go into the session with your son. I know it sounds obvious. The psych I saw as a teen wanted my parents in the room. Like I am going to admit to having problems in front of them??? Bribe him with whatever it takes. If he needs the therapy just give in to anything.
I am sorry your son is hurting. I think you and I have both been there.
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Post by eastcoastpea on Mar 6, 2016 22:43:35 GMT
Prayers and hugs for all of the families struggling with mental health issues.
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