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Post by annabella on Mar 18, 2016 20:19:15 GMT
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 18, 2016 20:20:18 GMT
Do we know that the cheeseburger story is fact? Going off memory again, without the help of Google, it was a hospital worker that anonymously leaked information.
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Post by annabella on Mar 18, 2016 20:27:37 GMT
Here's a comment on the article I linked:
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Post by bonster on Mar 18, 2016 20:35:40 GMT
I work as a critical care nurse in an ICU and that certainly does not look to me like someone who has been on a ventilator with a tracheostomy for two years. One of the biggest complaints we get from family members (and patients too) is that they are hungry/thirsty. People do not understand that eating or drinking can be dangerous or even deadly in certain situations. I can't tell you the number of times I have been yelled at by a family member, "They haven't eaten in TWO DAYS!" I have no idea if the cheeseburger story is true or not, but sadly patients family members trying to sneak them food or drink is quite common. We had a patient who had a tracheostomy who complained about being thirsty but it wasn't safe yet for them to drink. Someone in her family decided to disconnect the ventilator and pour Pepsi down her traceostomy tube because "she was thirsty and wanted it". This meant they were pouring Pepsi directly into her lungs. Luckily they didn't get too far because alarms went off when the ventilator was disconnected. I wish I was exaggerating this story but I'm not. People are ridiculous.
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Post by zella on Mar 18, 2016 20:37:14 GMT
I haven't clicked the link, but it's important to realize that The Daily Mail is a tabloid and has been known to fabricate stories entirely. Unless corroborated by a legitimate source, take whatever is in the article and photos with a whole mound of salt.
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Post by LiLi on Mar 18, 2016 20:38:11 GMT
I work as a critical care nurse in an ICU and that certainly does not look to me like someone who has been on a ventilator with a tracheostomy for two years. One of the biggest complaints we get from family members (and patients too) is that they are hungry/thirsty. People do not understand that eating or drinking can be dangerous or even deadly in certain situations. I can't tell you the number of times I have been yelled at by a family member, "They haven't eaten in TWO DAYS!" I have no idea if the cheeseburger story is true or not, but sadly patients family members trying to sneak them food or drink is quite common. We had a patient who had a tracheostomy who complained about being thirsty but it wasn't safe yet for them to drink. Someone in her family decided to disconnect the ventilator and pour Pepsi down her traceostomy tube because "she was thirsty and wanted it". This meant they were pouring Pepsi directly into her lungs. Luckily they didn't get too far because alarms went off when the ventilator was disconnected. I wish I was exaggerating this story but I'm not. People are ridiculous.
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Post by melissa on Mar 18, 2016 21:30:54 GMT
I have not seen a new photo of her in a very long time. I did a google image search to look and that is the only one that came up. She looks no different than in the older photos except it is very clear that the clarity has been dropped greatly on her face. A comment in one of the articles or blogs that caught my eye was some excitement by the mom that Jahi had grown breasts. Yet, if you look at this pre-surgery photo in the video, it is clear she had breasts before the surgery. JahiThe family is apparently living somewhere not to far from me.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 18, 2016 21:37:05 GMT
I don't even understand the photos. My dad was in intensive care for a month and on a ventilator and the change physically in just 30 days was astonishing. He atrophied so fast that he was almost unrecognizable. I don't see how - coma, brain dead, not brain dead, etc. - that she looks relatively healthy, skin in perfect condition, etc. I agree with this 100%, my dad was also in ICU for the last few weeks of his life and the change was drastic. I can't believe they are not photo shopping or something. It certainly is a sad and tragic story. They have to be Photoshopping or tons of make up and filters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 21:47:19 GMT
I work as a critical care nurse in an ICU and that certainly does not look to me like someone who has been on a ventilator with a tracheostomy for two years. One of the biggest complaints we get from family members (and patients too) is that they are hungry/thirsty. People do not understand that eating or drinking can be dangerous or even deadly in certain situations. I can't tell you the number of times I have been yelled at by a family member, "They haven't eaten in TWO DAYS!" I have no idea if the cheeseburger story is true or not, but sadly patients family members trying to sneak them food or drink is quite common. We had a patient who had a tracheostomy who complained about being thirsty but it wasn't safe yet for them to drink. Someone in her family decided to disconnect the ventilator and pour Pepsi down her traceostomy tube because "she was thirsty and wanted it". This meant they were pouring Pepsi directly into her lungs. Luckily they didn't get too far because alarms went off when the ventilator was disconnected. I wish I was exaggerating this story but I'm not. People are ridiculous. I am in shock!! Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 18, 2016 22:05:56 GMT
I work as a critical care nurse in an ICU and that certainly does not look to me like someone who has been on a ventilator with a tracheostomy for two years. One of the biggest complaints we get from family members (and patients too) is that they are hungry/thirsty. People do not understand that eating or drinking can be dangerous or even deadly in certain situations. I can't tell you the number of times I have been yelled at by a family member, "They haven't eaten in TWO DAYS!" I have no idea if the cheeseburger story is true or not, but sadly patients family members trying to sneak them food or drink is quite common. We had a patient who had a tracheostomy who complained about being thirsty but it wasn't safe yet for them to drink. Someone in her family decided to disconnect the ventilator and pour Pepsi down her traceostomy tube because "she was thirsty and wanted it". This meant they were pouring Pepsi directly into her lungs. Luckily they didn't get too far because alarms went off when the ventilator was disconnected. I wish I was exaggerating this story but I'm not. People are ridiculous. That was my reaction reading this too
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Post by M~ on Mar 18, 2016 22:13:32 GMT
My sister had an appeal where the patient poured beer and stuck fried chicken inside his PEG. Sigh. People are STUPID.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 18, 2016 22:32:23 GMT
^^^ I had to look that up (PEG), and that, too, is according to Google, PEG is the tube that's placed right into your stomach-- apparently that person didn't understand that chewing your food before it gets to your stomach is important to it digesting properly... ? ? ?
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Post by papersilly on Mar 18, 2016 23:29:56 GMT
Nothing about that photo makes her seem truly alive. nothing.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 18, 2016 23:37:03 GMT
I really cannot imagine what it must be like to be one of her siblings.
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Post by lumo on Mar 19, 2016 1:11:53 GMT
The blog that's linked there, Doc Bastard, was a pretty good source of info/explanation when this first happened.
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Post by destined2bmom on Mar 19, 2016 1:36:07 GMT
This entire story is so sad.
I am also local to this story and paid very close attention to all of the interviews and legal issues. When the Uncle was being interviewed on TV with the grandmother by his side, he stated that one minute Jahi was laughing and smiling and eating a cheeseburger that the family had promised that she could have after surgery and the next minute she went into cardiac arrest. He said, how do you explain this about a 13-year old girl? This was just a routine tonsillectomy.
Nothing about this surgery was routine. She had a tonsillectomy, adenoidectomy, something done with her sinuses and I can't think of the name of the other thing that they remove to help with sleep apnea.
The doctor told the mother months before that he did not want to perform such a large amount of procedures, that he wanted to split them into two surgeries.
The mom argued with the doctor that she wanted all of them done at once. She couldn't take more time off of work. The grandmother was an LVN at another hospital. It is believed that the grandmother suctioned her throat and caused the issues.
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Post by stittsygirl on Mar 19, 2016 2:27:11 GMT
That was my reaction reading this too Me three . I worked with an ENT doctor who lost a patient in a similar manner to Jahi - a girl who had gone home after having her tonsils out, but then her mother gave her Doritos the next day because the little girl wanted them. She began to bleed out, and they got her to the ER, but it was too late by then. Doctor's instructions are given for a reason - crazy how many people think they know better.
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Post by utmr on Mar 19, 2016 2:34:00 GMT
DD had a horrible terrifying aftermath to her tonsillectomy. No chips, no crunchy food, nothing. She refused to eat and had little besides water and Popsicles. Until she began to hemmorage. She bled and bled and bled. It turned out there was an uncauterized spot in her throat. On our third frantic trip to the ER I thought she would bleed to death. I have never been so terrified. You can't imagine how much blood can come from a child's throat.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Mar 19, 2016 2:49:07 GMT
That was my reaction reading this too Me three . I worked with an ENT doctor who lost a patient in a similar manner to Jahi - a girl who had gone home after having her tonsils out, but then her mother gave her Doritos the next day because the little girl wanted them. She began to bleed out, and they got her to the ER, but it was too late by then. Doctor's instructions are given for a reason - crazy how many people think they know better. See this is what I don't understand, I had my tonsils out when I was in 7th grade and the Dr made me eat a hamburger later that evening after surgery because he said it would prevent scabs. I really thought I was going to be getting ice cream!
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Mar 19, 2016 2:52:41 GMT
I work as a critical care nurse in an ICU and that certainly does not look to me like someone who has been on a ventilator with a tracheostomy for two years. One of the biggest complaints we get from family members (and patients too) is that they are hungry/thirsty. People do not understand that eating or drinking can be dangerous or even deadly in certain situations. I can't tell you the number of times I have been yelled at by a family member, "They haven't eaten in TWO DAYS!" I have no idea if the cheeseburger story is true or not, but sadly patients family members trying to sneak them food or drink is quite common. We had a patient who had a tracheostomy who complained about being thirsty but it wasn't safe yet for them to drink. Someone in her family decided to disconnect the ventilator and pour Pepsi down her traceostomy tube because "she was thirsty and wanted it". This meant they were pouring Pepsi directly into her lungs. Luckily they didn't get too far because alarms went off when the ventilator was disconnected. I wish I was exaggerating this story but I'm not. People are ridiculous. OMG! I think I gasped hard enough that I sucked fluid into MY lungs. Holy crap people can be stupid!
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Post by lucyg on Mar 19, 2016 4:31:42 GMT
DD had a horrible terrifying aftermath to her tonsillectomy. No chips, no crunchy food, nothing. She refused to eat and had little besides water and Popsicles. Until she began to hemmorage. She bled and bled and bled. It turned out there was an uncauterized spot in her throat. On our third frantic trip to the ER I thought she would bleed to death. I have never been so terrified. You can't imagine how much blood can come from a child's throat. Holy cow, that would be terrifying. After DGS had his out, he bled a small amount the second afternoon. I went into full panic mode and called the doctor, who was very nice about it but said not to worry unless there was a lot of blood. I can only imagine how scary that would be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 5:54:33 GMT
I work as a critical care nurse in an ICU and that certainly does not look to me like someone who has been on a ventilator with a tracheostomy for two years. One of the biggest complaints we get from family members (and patients too) is that they are hungry/thirsty. People do not understand that eating or drinking can be dangerous or even deadly in certain situations. I can't tell you the number of times I have been yelled at by a family member, "They haven't eaten in TWO DAYS!" I have no idea if the cheeseburger story is true or not, but sadly patients family members trying to sneak them food or drink is quite common. We had a patient who had a tracheostomy who complained about being thirsty but it wasn't safe yet for them to drink. Someone in her family decided to disconnect the ventilator and pour Pepsi down her traceostomy tube because "she was thirsty and wanted it". This meant they were pouring Pepsi directly into her lungs. Luckily they didn't get too far because alarms went off when the ventilator was disconnected. I wish I was exaggerating this story but I'm not. People are ridiculous. When my son suffered a TBI and had a ventilator with a tracheostomy and a PEG, his hair-brained aunt decided to feed him a Snickers bar. He almost choked to death. It's been almost 20 years and I still get steamed when I think about it. I know it's really hard to see a loved one suffering, especially when all they want is the most basic thing - food. But food in certain medical situations can harm and even kill. When DH was in the hospital with pancreatitis, he went 6 days with no food or water. He would BEG me for water but I could not give it to him, no matter how badly I wanted to. I feel horrible for Jahi and her family, but they played - it seems - a big part in what happened to her by ignoring the doctor's instruction. I hope someday they can make peace with that and let her go. L
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Post by anniebygaslight on Mar 19, 2016 6:02:24 GMT
I don't even understand the photos. My dad was in intensive care for a month and on a ventilator and the change physically in just 30 days was astonishing. He atrophied so fast that he was almost unrecognizable. I don't see how - coma, brain dead, not brain dead, etc. - that she looks relatively healthy, skin in perfect condition, etc. Fishy.
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Post by katlaw on Mar 19, 2016 9:14:52 GMT
In California an award for medical negligence is capped at $250,000 if the patient died due to the negligence.
If the patient is alive there is no compensation cap.
Assuming the cheeseburger story is true, the family was the direct cause of the bleed that caused her to go into cardiac arrest. As long as Jahi is "alive" the family can sue for unlimited amounts of compensation.
This is a sad story.
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Post by whipea on Mar 19, 2016 14:07:20 GMT
In California an award for medical negligence is capped at $250,000 if the patient died due to the negligence. If the patient is alive there is no compensation cap. Assuming the cheeseburger story is true, the family was the direct cause of the bleed that caused her to go into cardiac arrest. As long as Jahi is "alive" the family can sue for unlimited amounts of compensation. This is a sad story. This, as whacked as it is may be the only reason the family is sustaining the corpse.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 19, 2016 15:07:44 GMT
In California an award for medical negligence is capped at $250,000 if the patient died due to the negligence. If the patient is alive there is no compensation cap. Assuming the cheeseburger story is true, the family was the direct cause of the bleed that caused her to go into cardiac arrest. As long as Jahi is "alive" the family can sue for unlimited amounts of compensation. This is a sad story. This, as whacked as it is may be the only reason the family is sustaining the corpse. I do not know what kind of publicity and support they are getting regularly now, but at the time, I thought part of the reason they couldn't let her go was because, as long as they were arguing that she was alive and refusing to terminate medical treatment, they were getting a lot of attention from religious communities, particular kinds of pro-life activists, etc. I think it is easy to blame the money (and I cannot discount the possibility that money is a driving force or the driving force here), but let's think about it -- if they had let her go when she was declared brain dead, the only people who would have noticed or cared were the handful of people in her family, but, by saying no, they got nationwide attention, prayer, etc.
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Post by cannmom on Mar 19, 2016 16:29:35 GMT
Apparently "as healthy as ever " includes requiring a ventilator to breathe for her. They have blankets or a towel covering the trach with the ventilator tubing, but you can clearly see the ventilator in at least one photo.
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