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Post by valleyview on Mar 20, 2016 15:08:10 GMT
I'm glad the tutor helped. Students who need one on one help may have hard to diagnose specific learning disorders. Good luck with pursuing this!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 15:08:31 GMT
I would have the private testing..because I never trust the school district to look out for your child's best interest...and a private one will be more thorough and with a more highly trained individual. the school response is to try to make less work for itself. sorry I think the money is worth it..you are looking at a lifetime of issues. You are right. We are just now to that point. I'm trying to start with our insurance to see if anything will be covered.
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Post by Kelpea on Mar 20, 2016 15:10:06 GMT
I learned a LOT about what our child's rights were when my son was struggling with behavior issues in 5th/6th grade (and again in 8th). What I learned from my own research is he has the right to be tested, free of charge, that is guaranteed by both the school district and the state of Virginia's Department of Education. We didn't go forward with an IEP; and considered a 504.
Please contact your school board and learn what your child's rights are, as well as your school's Department of Education. Don't let your school's ignorance affect your child's success.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 15:10:46 GMT
Absolutely get him tested. No question. It sounds like something has been missed all along. I trust a mother's instinct more than anyone else. You've been the constant who has observed these issues over the years. He is likely a bright child who has been able to compensate sufficiently to skate by all these years, enough that the school teachers, etc has not been alarmed. But, you are correct that as the work escalates, it's going to be even harder for him. I have a friend who struggled in school for many, many years. Her dyslexia diagnosis did not come until the end of her 8th grade year. It was life changing for her. She went from being someone who they thought would not graduate from high school to salutorian of her high school class and today has a master's degree. My nephew had issues with handwriting. He was evaluated and has some fine motor skill issues. He is a little younger than your son (7th grade) and is able to use a computer for some work that would normally be done by hand. He also had some therapy to work through some of that. There are so many subtle learning disabilities. He really should have a thorough, formal evaluation. I am not familiar enough with public schools so I do not know if testing on your own would be a better avenue, but I would certainly start with the school and jump through their hoops. For foreign language, get him started this summer! Even if it is just something like DuoLingo or Rosetta Stone. Get him used to the sounds and some vocabulary. Give him a head start so it won't be so unfamiliar as it is already clear that he struggles with school work in general. I like this idea! It just might be a big help to him. Thank you.
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Post by SabrinaM on Mar 20, 2016 15:19:58 GMT
Does he get distracted easily? Does he walk into a room and forget what he went in for?
Do you send him to get something, he leave and then forget what he was going for?
Does he get distracted by the tv, noises outside etc while he's trying to do homework/read?
When he's in the classroom and someone is tapping on their desk, fidgeting etc does he look up and daydream losing focus on his classwork?
These are some of the symtoms of inattentive ADD. These students are rarely behavior problems because they're more into daydreaming, doodling etc than shouting out or fidgeting in the classroom.
Again, I would get my child to a psychiatrist post haste.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Mar 20, 2016 15:20:47 GMT
Put your request in writing. Mention child find provision of IDEA. They are required to find students with disabilities.
That said, if your insurance does cover testing, private testing is sometimes more thorough. They don't have to accept the outside tests, but they should look at it, and many districts do just accept it.
And the handwriting? Make sure there are OT and technology components in the domains tested.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 20, 2016 15:26:57 GMT
She also let me know college's don't accept IEPs, honestly I doubt he will go to college. He's leaning towards becoming a mechanic. I missed this when I first read your OP. From experience, I can tell you that she has absolutely no idea what she is talking about. Many colleges and universities have departments that are there to assist students with learning disabilities, some better than others. They will need to provide copies of previous testing and diagnosis and then meet with a counselor. DD was provided with all of the same accommodations that she'd had in high school: additional time on exams, note takers in class, ability to take test in a separate room with a proctor were the main ones. Even if he chooses not to go to college, he still needs the assistance now if there is an underlying issue. What make him suffer and hate school?
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Post by gsquaredmom on Mar 20, 2016 15:33:13 GMT
Oh and the colleges and IEP thing. College students can get reasonable services under Section 504 of the Rehab Act. There are some colleges that actually call it an IEP, although it is not the same as the k-12 IEP. It's just the name they use.
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Post by threegirls on Mar 20, 2016 15:33:29 GMT
If you want him tested, be the squeaky wheel and get him tested through the school. I am not a squeaky wheel but I learned that sometimes you have to be in order to get the proper help for your child. I also found a squeaky wheel, my daughter's new speech and language therapist. She was new at our school and quickly recognized that my daughter needed to be tested. She completed the necessary paperwork, made phone calls and threw up flares. The proper protocol is that the paperwork has to go through a committee for review. Uh, not always. The speech therapist was able get her tested without the committee's approval. I had been trying for a year and a half to get her tested. The speech therapist made it happen in two weeks!
Seriously, you pay taxes and you shouldn't have to pay a few grand for testing. Make the school system do it. I kept getting that same song and dance. You can always go and get her tested privately. Your insurance will cover it. No, we have a high deductible. Get her tutors! Blah, blah. A tutor for this, a tutor for that, why do I even bother to send her to school. She does have a tutor who specializes in Orton-Gillingham. It is more than a car payment a month but well worth it. This is one reason why I'm still driving my almost 17 year-old car.
Is your son a slow reader? Many times this contributes to poor comprehension. This is the case with my daughter. If he is really having trouble with reading and testing shows that there is a problem, you could look into Orton-Gillingham tutoring. It is available free at our local dyslexia center which is located at the local Masonic Temple. I didn't know about this until after I had hired the tutor for my daughter. They work so well together and my daughter is doing great with her so I decided to just keep the private tutor. The center does require test results before you can even apply.
Find out your rights to testing and make the school system follow the law. Don't back down and don't take no for an answer. Good luck! This is an issue I could go on and on about but I will stop now!
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 20, 2016 15:33:58 GMT
Don't pay for testing or evals. That's the districts responsibility The district can refuse to test based on current data. If the OP wanted to continue after that, she would need to pay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 15:34:45 GMT
Does he get distracted easily? Does he walk into a room and forget what he went in for? Do you send him to get something, he leave and then forget what he was going for? Does he get distracted by the tv, noises outside etc while he's trying to do homework/read? When he's in the classroom and someone is tapping on their desk, fidgeting etc does he look up and daydream losing focus on his classwork? These are some of the symtoms of inattentive ADD. These students are rarely behavior problems because they're more into daydreaming, doodling etc than shouting out or fidgeting in the classroom. Again, I would get my child to a psychiatrist post haste. I would say no to all of those things except for being distracted by the tv while doing homework. I'm not sure about when he's in class and someone is fidgeting. I do know he can be to chatty with his friends in class.
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Post by AnotherPea on Mar 20, 2016 15:35:14 GMT
You've received some great, and some not-so-great advice here. Each state/district has different policies regarding testing, so it is best to find out from the special education coordinator at the school what you need to do where you are.
There are a few things I'd like to address - you are his mother and you do know him better than anyone else. But you don't know his educational needs better than anyone. His private doctor doesn't know. That why there are TEAMS that come together to discuss a child's need. Now, your area may be failing him. I doubt it, but they may. Here, before you even had the opportunity to speak with a school psychologist, a team would have met on your child's behalf. They would have looked at data to determine if testing was needed. MOST of the time testing is not needed. Now, you can definitely go to a private psychologist, who isn't an expert in education, and get a diagnosis. People buy them all the time. That doesn't mean it is legit nor does it mean the school has to do anything differently because of it. If they do not see an educational impact with a disability, they aren't going to give an IEP to a child. Schools have a pretty good idea which psychologists are legit so evaluations from the drive-by, hand-em-out-like-candy psychs aren't going to be viewed very favorably. We have so many of those around here it is scary. I personally know one person who was diagnosed over the phone by a psychologist! A ten minute conversation with the mother was all he needed to write up a diagnosis - crazy! A doctor's diagnosis does NOT guarantee an IEP or 504. Doctors do not get to determine what happens in a classroom.
Also, like another poster asked, what are you hoping to gain from an IEP? At the secondary level students do not get (nor want) most of the things elementary students get with IEPs. If your son was in my class and it was determined an IEP was necessary, he would probably get extended time on tests, the option of typing assignments instead of handwriting, and possibly a resource room where he had an aide help him study.
Schools do NOT have to test him once you put a request in writing. You cannot TELL them to test him. They have to meet as a team to determine if testing is necessary. He has to be discussed. He may already have been, since you've already spoken to the psychologist. But they can receive your request and simply say "we do not see the need for testing at this time."
What is often the case is that a student just struggles in certain subjects. The school team is looking for a discrepancy when they assign an IEP or 504. Is the child performing lower than what he is capable of? Is that due to a disability?
Regarding colleges - the psychologist might be telling you the truth about your area schools. We are aware of the schools that do honor IEPs in our state. Not all of them do, and some only offer certain accommodations with certain subjects. 504s get better results so we often have students switch from IEPs to 504s their senior year of high school.
My advice to you is to save up and have private testing done. Even ask the school psychologist for a recommendation. See who the team will take seriously. Remember that you get what you pay for and be very wary of one that asks you up front what you're looking for. I think it is great that you're looking at options for him in 8th grade. Get it done before he goes to high school and life will be easier for everyone. Good luck!
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 20, 2016 15:37:27 GMT
I understand your frustration. There is only 1 occupational therapist and one behavior therapist for our entire district and it covers an enormous area. You are in a mainstream classroom or you are in a functional skills classroom. There are no dedicated classrooms for kids with behavior issues. There are no teachers aides or specialists in the mainstream classrooms. It is *rare* a child has an aide assigned to them in a mainstream classroom. It is usually only for those with behavior issues like touching girls inappropriately.
My daughter has high functioning Autism (Aspergers) and I think I *might* finally have her on an IEP after trying for 5 years. I desperately need a transition to adult plan. She needs help from Vocational Rehabilitation services. The issue with her is she can pass classes. She has no other learning disabilities. However, she has tantrums like a small child, she hid the teachers cell phone because she didn't like the notification sounds it made, she has only 1 true friend, she frequently uses inappropriate words that she truly has no idea that they are wrong, she is horrible about organizing, and I have to remind her daily of basic hygiene skills. So she graduates but can never stay on top of things at college or hold a job because she has to tell everyone what she thinks. When basic requests are not met, she shuts down and ignores her school work, leading to failure!
Honestly, the only thing that helped get her on the 504 plan and hopefully have the IEP plan in place soon is one person in the school who cares. Forget about all the rights and laws a child should have, this is the only thing that has helped me. Oh, and paperwork, lots and lots of paperwork.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 15:38:08 GMT
If you want him tested, be the squeaky wheel and get him tested through the school. I am not a squeaky wheel but I learned that sometimes you have to be in order to get the proper help for your child. I also found a squeaky wheel, my daughter's new speech and language therapist. She was new at our school and quickly recognized that my daughter needed to be tested. She completed the necessary paperwork, made phone calls and threw up flares. The proper protocol is that the paperwork has to go through a committee for review. Uh, not always. The speech therapist was able get her tested without the committee's approval. I had been trying for a year and a half to get her tested. The speech therapist made it happen in two weeks! Seriously, you pay taxes and you shouldn't have to pay a few grand for testing. Make the school system do it. I kept getting that same song and dance. You can always go and get her tested privately. Your insurance will cover it. No, we have a high deductible. Get her tutors! Blah, blah. A tutor for this, a tutor for that, why do I even bother to send her to school. She does have a tutor who specializes in Orton-Gillingham. It is more than a car payment a month but well worth it. This is one reason why I'm still driving my almost 17 year-old car. Is your son a slow reader? Many times this contributes to poor comprehension. This is the case with my daughter. If he is really having trouble with reading and testing shows that there is a problem, you could look into Orton-Gillingham tutoring. It is available free at our local dyslexia center which is located at the local Masonic Temple. I didn't know about this until after I had hired the tutor for my daughter. They work so well together and my daughter is doing great with her so I decided to just keep the private tutor. The center does require test results before you can even apply. Find out your rights to testing and make the school system follow the law. Don't back down and don't take no for an answer. Good luck! This is an issue I could go on and on about but I will stop now! Yes he is a slow reader, he also tends to reread the same sentence. He seems to get lost in the text.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 15:50:34 GMT
You've received some great, and some not-so-great advice here. Each state/district has different policies regarding testing, so it is best to find out from the special education coordinator at the school what you need to do where you are. There are a few things I'd like to address - you are his mother and you do know him better than anyone else. But you don't know his educational needs better than anyone. His private doctor doesn't know. That why there are TEAMS that come together to discuss a child's need. Now, your area may be failing him. I doubt it, but they may. Here, before you even had the opportunity to speak with a school psychologist, a team would have met on your child's behalf. They would have looked at data to determine if testing was needed. MOST of the time testing is not needed. Now, you can definitely go to a private psychologist, who isn't an expert in education, and get a diagnosis. People buy them all the time. That doesn't mean it is legit nor does it mean the school has to do anything differently because of it. If they do not see an educational impact with a disability, they aren't going to give an IEP to a child. Schools have a pretty good idea which psychologists are legit so evaluations from the drive-by, hand-em-out-like-candy psychs aren't going to be viewed very favorably. We have so many of those around here it is scary. I personally know one person who was diagnosed over the phone by a psychologist! A ten minute conversation with the mother was all he needed to write up a diagnosis - crazy! A doctor's diagnosis does NOT guarantee an IEP or 504. Doctors do not get to determine what happens in a classroom. Also, like another poster asked, what are you hoping to gain from an IEP? At the secondary level students do not get (nor want) most of the things elementary students get with IEPs. If your son was in my class and it was determined an IEP was necessary, he would probably get extended time on tests, the option of typing assignments instead of handwriting, and possibly a resource room where he had an aide help him study. Schools do NOT have to test him once you put a request in writing. You cannot TELL them to test him. They have to meet as a team to determine if testing is necessary. He has to be discussed. He may already have been, since you've already spoken to the psychologist. But they can receive your request and simply say "we do not see the need for testing at this time." What is often the case is that a student just struggles in certain subjects. The school team is looking for a discrepancy when they assign an IEP or 504. Is the child performing lower than what he is capable of? Is that due to a disability? Regarding colleges - the psychologist might be telling you the truth about your area schools. We are aware of the schools that do honor IEPs in our state. Not all of them do, and some only offer certain accommodations with certain subjects. 504s get better results so we often have students switch from IEPs to 504s their senior year of high school. My advice to you is to save up and have private testing done. Even ask the school psychologist for a recommendation. See who the team will take seriously. Remember that you get what you pay for and be very wary of one that asks you up front what you're looking for. I think it is great that you're looking at options for him in 8th grade. Get it done before he goes to high school and life will be easier for everyone. Good luck! He has never read at grade level, I'd say that's a fail. At every conference when I brought it up I was told he will find a book he loves and become a reader. I've let it go all through elementary school and I regret that now. It's kind of insulting to think that me or anyone would be looking to buy a diagnosis, I think most parents just want their kids to be able to function and succeed in school. I want him to be able comprehend and understand what he's reading. You are also saying two things at once, save up for private testing and people buy diagnosis that don't mean a thing. I wouldn't ask the school psychologist for a recommendation, I get the feeling she thinks I'm wasting the schools time and money. She seems to be looking out for the school more than my son. My son has struggled with reading for years and I've listened to the schools reasoning on why, I'm starting to think they are brushing him aside as his problem is an obvious one. The higher he gets in school the hard the curriculum will be and the harder for him to keep up. I saw that last year with math.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 20, 2016 15:56:43 GMT
A complete evaluation is in order in my opinion, one that covers physical, neurological and complete learning disability testing. Wow, and how did you come up with that? It is ridiculous to make that type of statement from a post. I would have the private testing..because I never trust the school district to look out for your child's best interest...and a private one will be more thorough and with a more highly trained individual. the school response is to try to make less work for itself If you don't trust your district, you need to find another district or school. Yes, sometimes district's try not to pay for very expensive things, but when it comes down it, they would rather pay than get sued. Mention child find provision of IDEA. They are required to find students with disabilities. They are not required to test for every request. They must consider every request. Seriously, you pay taxes and you shouldn't have to pay a few grand for testing. Make the school system do it The school system does not have to test every tom, dick, and harry that parents want tested. You can't make a school system do it if it isn't warrranted. Putting the request in writing starts a timeline they have to follow, but the team can reccommend that no testing is needed. OP, once you put the request in writing the district has 15 school days to reply to your request. If they agree to test, then you sign a form and they now have 60 calendar days to do the evaluation and hold a meeting on the results. If they do not agree to test, you can file due process. Honestly, before you pursue this, I would get very educated on the rights, responsibilites, and procedural safeguards of IDEA. It helps is they know that you know. With all that said, I believe that most teachers want what is best for their students. This school psych may not, but the teachers do. Have any teachers reccommended testing?
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 20, 2016 16:00:37 GMT
It's kind of insulting to think that me or anyone would be looking to buy a diagnosis, I think most parents just want their kids to be able to function and succeed in school. You see it from your point of view. Working in the school system, and particularly in special education, I have seen my fair share of parents trying to get a diagnosis because their child doesn't want to do the work or because they want their kid to get special grades when they don't really need it. As a staff, every time we saw Dr. X on an evaluation we rolled our eyes. He often would diagnose the squeeky wheel with aspergers or autism or something on the spectrum because "you don't medicate for that." I do think that most people, including yourself, are only looking out for their child, but the district does have to keep an eye out for those who do.
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Post by threegirls on Mar 20, 2016 16:01:50 GMT
@blah808 As the speed of my daughter's reading increased, her comprehension also increased. Week after week she would bring home D's or F's on her comprehension testes. I probably could have guessed the answers (without reading the story) and done better. She now gets A's and B's.
Google dyslexia center and your city's name and see if anything pops up. I know our center takes kids of all ages.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Mar 20, 2016 16:04:18 GMT
A complete evaluation is in order in my opinion, one that covers physical, neurological and complete learning disability testing. Wow, and how did you come up with that? It is ridiculous to make that type of statement from a post. I would have the private testing..because I never trust the school district to look out for your child's best interest...and a private one will be more thorough and with a more highly trained individual. the school response is to try to make less work for itself If you don't trust your district, you need to find another district or school. Yes, sometimes district's try not to pay for very expensive things, but when it comes down it, they would rather pay than get sued. Mention child find provision of IDEA. They are required to find students with disabilities. They are not required to test for every request. They must consider every request. Seriously, you pay taxes and you shouldn't have to pay a few grand for testing. Make the school system do it The school system does not have to test every tom, dick, and harry that parents want tested. You can't make a school system do it if it isn't warrranted. Putting the request in writing starts a timeline they have to follow, but the team can reccommend that no testing is needed. OP, once you put the request in writing the district has 15 school days to reply to your request. If they agree to test, then you sign a form and they now have 60 calendar days to do the evaluation and hold a meeting on the results. If they do not agree to test, you can file due process. Honestly, before you pursue this, I would get very educated on the rights, responsibilites, and procedural safeguards of IDEA. It helps is they know that you know. With all that said, I believe that most teachers want what is best for their students. This school psych may not, but the teachers do. Have any teachers reccommended testing? No, they are not required to test, but under child find they must make an attempt to find students. Many parents don't know about this provision and a lot of districts seem to have basically forgotten this. They need to at least consider her request and not just dismiss her concerns out of hand.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Mar 20, 2016 16:06:36 GMT
Not all learning disorders are obvious and it worries me that your school says this. I would insist that they test him. Is it possible for you to have him tested privately? It is expensive, but can be well worth it to pinpoint a child's issues and get immediate help for them. To be fair the school didn't say that but that is the impression they are giving me. We are looking into testing but the two places I called on Friday want between 2 and 3 grand to test him. I'm also checking with our insurance to see if there is any coverage for testing. Keep Checking around. That is what we paid to have my daughter tested the first time. When we needed her re-tested, after we moved, I found someone who was willing to cut us a break as our insurance didn't cover it. I am surprised that they are suggesting Handwriting with out tears in 8th grade. I would think that if nothing else you should be able with a 504 to get some accommodations for handwriting that allow him to use a computer or some sort of assisted device.
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Post by Rachel on Mar 20, 2016 16:08:56 GMT
Have the school do the testing before you pay for it yourself. Put your request in writing to the director of special education. That person runs the department. If you can't figure out who that is send it to the superintendent. He will forward it on. In CA we have 15 days to respond to the request by sending an assessment plan to these parent for signature OR a letter of refusal staying why testing isn't necessary AT THIS TIME. If they deny then you can go from there. But that's your starting point.... Letter requesting testing. And don't send it to the school psych.. She's not in charge.
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Post by paigepea on Mar 20, 2016 16:19:33 GMT
To me that sounds like reading comprehension, unless you think he is unable to focus. Have him read part of a book to you and ask him some clarifying questions to see if he's taking in what he's reading. By his age he should be past clarifying questions and onto making deeper connections, but if he is unable to comprehend then that will be difficult. That could cause his mind to wander when he's reading. Or he could be having focusing problems. Will he do his homework with you. Watching him might give you a better idea of what is going on. He has been doing his homework with me for the past few weeks. I did get permission from the school for him to type his homework which has actually helped him. I think it helps him remember things better and he can read what his answers are and that makes studying easier. I don't know exactly what's going on with his reading, he states reading is hard, he keeps rereading the same sentence. As far as reading goes he has never been at grade level for reading. He's always a couple of grades behind but the school has always reassured me that he was progressing fine even with the lower reading level. I'm sorry this is happening. He shouldn't be moving forward at a slower pace than his peers in reading without extra help. Lower is fine, below grade level is difficult. I'm betting his marks and confidence are dropping because no one has tried getting him up to grade level in reading. It sounds like he's slipping through the cracks, so to speak. Or that the school is brushing his education under the rug instead of trying to educate him. Before I went the IEP route, I'd start getting a tutor for reading and maybe have him tested privately to put your mind at ease. Our school board has recommended offices for private testing - maybe yours does. It can provide you with information to better help / advocate for your child. Depending on the accommodations and how it is written, an IEP can limit a child's education plan or expand it. The more knowledge you have about your son as you move forward the more power you'll feel you have.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 20, 2016 16:37:03 GMT
I have never seen an IEP that limits a child's education. That I'd completely opposite the point of the iep. Who the hell writes one that limits?
For example, I have a student whose world language requirement was waived. As a senior, she decided she wanted to take it. Having an IEP didn't keep her from taking it and the teacher accommodated her just as others would.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 16:46:06 GMT
@blah808 As the speed of my daughter's reading increased, her comprehension also increased. Week after week she would bring home D's or F's on her comprehension testes. I probably could have guessed the answers (without reading the story) and done better. She now gets A's and B's. Google dyslexia center and your city's name and see if anything pops up. I know our center takes kids of all ages. Thank you I will check it out.
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Post by lorieann13 on Mar 20, 2016 16:54:41 GMT
A complete evaluation is in order in my opinion, one that covers physical, neurological and complete learning disability testing. Wow, and how did you come up with that? It is ridiculous to make that type of statement from a post. I have to disagree with you. When both of my children were evalauted they had the following: Speech eval Psych eval Neurology eval Reading and writting eval PT/OT eval Hearing screen And I was asked to have a current wellness check up and to bring the report to the special ed department. So those things are typically covered, at least here in California, under a ln IEP eval and again at each triannual IEP. ETA also vision screening. I also had to fill out 4 different packets, two which contained over 300 questions.
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Post by AnotherPea on Mar 20, 2016 17:00:15 GMT
You've received some great, and some not-so-great advice here. Each state/district has different policies regarding testing, so it is best to find out from the special education coordinator at the school what you need to do where you are. There are a few things I'd like to address - you are his mother and you do know him better than anyone else. But you don't know his educational needs better than anyone. His private doctor doesn't know. That why there are TEAMS that come together to discuss a child's need. Now, your area may be failing him. I doubt it, but they may. Here, before you even had the opportunity to speak with a school psychologist, a team would have met on your child's behalf. They would have looked at data to determine if testing was needed. MOST of the time testing is not needed. Now, you can definitely go to a private psychologist, who isn't an expert in education, and get a diagnosis. People buy them all the time. That doesn't mean it is legit nor does it mean the school has to do anything differently because of it. If they do not see an educational impact with a disability, they aren't going to give an IEP to a child. Schools have a pretty good idea which psychologists are legit so evaluations from the drive-by, hand-em-out-like-candy psychs aren't going to be viewed very favorably. We have so many of those around here it is scary. I personally know one person who was diagnosed over the phone by a psychologist! A ten minute conversation with the mother was all he needed to write up a diagnosis - crazy! A doctor's diagnosis does NOT guarantee an IEP or 504. Doctors do not get to determine what happens in a classroom. Also, like another poster asked, what are you hoping to gain from an IEP? At the secondary level students do not get (nor want) most of the things elementary students get with IEPs. If your son was in my class and it was determined an IEP was necessary, he would probably get extended time on tests, the option of typing assignments instead of handwriting, and possibly a resource room where he had an aide help him study. Schools do NOT have to test him once you put a request in writing. You cannot TELL them to test him. They have to meet as a team to determine if testing is necessary. He has to be discussed. He may already have been, since you've already spoken to the psychologist. But they can receive your request and simply say "we do not see the need for testing at this time." What is often the case is that a student just struggles in certain subjects. The school team is looking for a discrepancy when they assign an IEP or 504. Is the child performing lower than what he is capable of? Is that due to a disability? Regarding colleges - the psychologist might be telling you the truth about your area schools. We are aware of the schools that do honor IEPs in our state. Not all of them do, and some only offer certain accommodations with certain subjects. 504s get better results so we often have students switch from IEPs to 504s their senior year of high school. My advice to you is to save up and have private testing done. Even ask the school psychologist for a recommendation. See who the team will take seriously. Remember that you get what you pay for and be very wary of one that asks you up front what you're looking for. I think it is great that you're looking at options for him in 8th grade. Get it done before he goes to high school and life will be easier for everyone. Good luck! He has never read at grade level, I'd say that's a fail. At every conference when I brought it up I was told he will find a book he loves and become a reader. I've let it go all through elementary school and I regret that now. It's kind of insulting to think that me or anyone would be looking to buy a diagnosis, I think most parents just want their kids to be able to function and succeed in school. I want him to be able comprehend and understand what he's reading. You are also saying two things at once, save up for private testing and people buy diagnosis that don't mean a thing. I wouldn't ask the school psychologist for a recommendation, I get the feeling she thinks I'm wasting the schools time and money. She seems to be looking out for the school more than my son. My son has struggled with reading for years and I've listened to the schools reasoning on why, I'm starting to think they are brushing him aside as his problem is an obvious one. The higher he gets in school the hard the curriculum will be and the harder for him to keep up. I saw that last year with math. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insult you. Often parents that "buy" a diagnosis don't even know they are doing it. They don't know that the psychologist they hired is a dud. What I meant was that seeing a private psych doesn't necessarily mean a diagnosis is true. But save up for a GOOD one, get recommendations for educational professionals, and you might be able to find something that might help him. It may not get him an IEP, but it might give you some things you can do at home. Please don't assume that because your son reads below grade level that the system has failed him. You might be correct. But it might also be that reading comprehension is always going to be a struggle for him. He might have a disability that cannot be helped with an IEP. If you do seek private testing, be sure to get an IQ test too. If your son has an IQ of 120 but is reading below level, supports should definitely be put in place.
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Post by threegirls on Mar 20, 2016 17:38:40 GMT
Seriously, you pay taxes and you shouldn't have to pay a few grand for testing. Make the school system do it The school system does not have to test every tom, dick, and harry that parents want tested. You can't make a school system do it if it isn't warrranted. Putting the request in writing starts a timeline they have to follow, but the team can reccommend that no testing is needed. OP, once you put the request in writing the district has 15 school days to reply to your request. If they agree to test, then you sign a form and they now have 60 calendar days to do the evaluation and hold a meeting on the results. If they do not agree to test, you can file due process. Honestly, before you pursue this, I would get very educated on the rights, responsibilites, and procedural safeguards of IDEA. It helps is they know that you know. With all that said, I believe that most teachers want what is best for their students. This school psych may not, but the teachers do. Have any teachers reccommended testing? I understand that the school system does not have to test every Tom, Dick and Harry and I never said they should. I was addressing the op. Her son is reading below grade level and that doesn't sound like every Tom, Dick and Harry. I also understand that there are parents who want to scam the system so their kid gets special treatment or doesn't have to work hard. But there are also parents such as myself whose child really does need testing. It can sometimes be very frustrating dealing with school systems (not teachers). You are correct that the op should get herself educated on the rights, responsibilities and safeguards of IDEA. That is something I wish I had known about when I started the process. I definitely had no help or direction on how to navigate IDEA.
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Post by pmm on Mar 20, 2016 17:48:15 GMT
I didn't read all the replies as my lunch break is almost over.
I live in Ohio. In Ohio you have the right to have your child tested by independent specialist instead of the school. The school must pay for it. You need to submit your request in writing.
Without going into details. I have traveled the IEP road. My son has an IEP if he chooses to go to college.
The biggest thing I learned is that you will get more response from the school district when you send your requests in writing via certified mail with a signed receipt. This effectively creates a paper trail that they can't deny.
Find out who theses issues need to be addressed with. In my case it was the school superintendent.
Also trying searching for a group that helps educate the disabled. I can't remember what it is called in Ohio. But, I will find out and post tonight.
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Post by Dori~Mama~Bear on Mar 20, 2016 17:51:06 GMT
If your son does become a mechanic he will still need to have some kind of schooling for that. but I would have him tested for IEP and also dyslexia. If he is having troubles with reading and writing it sounds to me to be more of a dyslexia. I have had dyslexia all my life but didn't get diagnosed until I was 35. and After I learned how to read for me I have become an avid reader. and I do write better as well. still have problems spelling some words.
Good luck to you and your son.
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Post by bostonmama on Mar 20, 2016 18:11:18 GMT
The school doesn't want to test him as he has no obvious learning disorders. Not all learning disorders are obvious and it worries me that your school says this. I would insist that they test him. Is it possible for you to have him tested privately? It is expensive, but can be well worth it to pinpoint a child's issues and get immediate help for them. I see "obvious" dyslexia and dysgraphia LDs, possibly even dyscalculia.
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