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Post by darkangel090260 on Mar 22, 2016 8:16:26 GMT
Ok M has been growing like a weed. He is 50lbs and 37inches. WIC is on our case again because of his weight. he eat a healthy diet and is always moving unless he is sick. We have cut down his meal size in about half including taking out one of his snacks and we have cut down his milk two twice a day and any other time water. He does get V8 juice once a day about 4 oz. (it helps with his poop).
The boy is strong as heck, He can lift a 10-15 lb thing of cat litter and can move a lot of stuff kids his age should not be able to . He has broken my finger be for a year old. Since then he has given me a few black eye and broke my nose once. he head buts when he is up set. I just do not know what to do with him any more.
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Post by gar on Mar 22, 2016 8:28:41 GMT
Are you asking about discipline type advice or diet?
I'm sorry he's hurt you so much! That's awful! Does he head but anyone else?
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Post by darkangel090260 on Mar 22, 2016 8:55:18 GMT
Sorry diet.
The head butting both me and daddy gets. It's when he is frustrated.
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Post by CeeScraps on Mar 22, 2016 9:25:27 GMT
Our dd was always on skim milk. That may help a little bit especially depending on how much he drinks.
I don't recall how old he is. When he becomes or starts to become frustrated give him the words to use instead. He doesn't have the vocabulary to come up with words for the way he is feeling. Say something like....this (whatever it is) seems to be hard.....let's solve the problem.
We'd tell dd to use her words when she wanted or needed things.
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Post by wellway on Mar 22, 2016 9:57:24 GMT
I don't know who WIC are but if they are on your case what is their advice? I don't mean that in a sarky way, just if they feel free to comment they should follow up with advice. You say his diet is heathy but how much is he actually eating? Are his portion sizes too big perhaps? What age is he and how much milk is he drinking? Might be time to cut back or offer water instead. I'm linking a UK site which is popular with mums, they even produced a cookbook which I use reguarly even though my DD is now 12! www.netmums.com/family-food
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Post by darkangel090260 on Mar 22, 2016 10:33:52 GMT
he is 2.5 years old. We use the myplate plate they gave us and even cut those in half. He get two 4 oz low fat cups of milk each day. no sugar unless its a special event
He is built like and small tank.
WIC help low income mothers, infant and small children with food. You can only get what is on the list.
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Post by wellway on Mar 22, 2016 10:56:04 GMT
he is 2.5 years old. We use the myplate plate they gave us and even cut those in half. He get two 4 oz low fat cups of milk each day. no sugar unless its a special event He is built like and small tank. WIC help low income mothers, infant and small children with food. You can only get what is on the list. So they are not medical people? I would only get concerned if your doctor or nurse is giving you feedback/advice re his size. Have you had comments from your doctor?
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Post by darkangel090260 on Mar 22, 2016 11:06:30 GMT
no we have not seen his Dr for about 3 months and we don't see her again until his 3rd bday.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Mar 22, 2016 11:15:38 GMT
he is 2.5 years old. We use the myplate plate they gave us and even cut those in half. He get two 4 oz low fat cups of milk each day. no sugar unless its a special event He is built like and small tank. WIC help low income mothers, infant and small children with food. You can only get what is on the list. So they are not medical people? I would only get concerned if your doctor or nurse is giving you feedback/advice re his size. Have you had comments from your doctor? I think they use nurses and trained personnel. Although perhaps he needs to see a regular pediatrician. What does the pediatrician say? Where does he get his shots? What do they say? He must be getting physicals or well checks somewhere? What do they say? He does sound like he weighs a bit much for his height. Maybe too much fruit or fruit juice? That's high in sugar. WIC does not provide all food, so what else is he eating? Pasta? Crackers? Other carbs? As for the head butting and hurting you? You need a good behavior plan.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Mar 22, 2016 11:21:17 GMT
no we have not seen his Dr for about 3 months and we don't see her again until his 3rd bday. So his weight was not an issue 3 months ago? Is this sudden? Maybe growth spurt? Maybe another medical issue and he needs to be seen again?
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Post by gsquaredmom on Mar 22, 2016 11:26:24 GMT
I don't know if it is still a rule of thumb, but when my boys were little, four years, 40 inches and 40 pounds was considered typical or average. He sounds like he is ahead of both curves if that still applies.
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Post by darkangel090260 on Mar 22, 2016 11:30:35 GMT
Dr. said he was a bit big just to change his milk and cut serving size. We use the myplate to fix each meal. He get good carbs no junk at all unless it's a treat. he drinks a tone of water. The only thing that i can think of is winter weight I know I put on extra everey winter.
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Post by mari on Mar 22, 2016 11:48:42 GMT
There is a nutritionist at WIC. They should be able to give you meal plan ideas, but 'diets' aren't usually recommended for kids under 3.
The focus would be increasing fruits and veggies and eliminating liquid calories (juice, for example).
I could send you a blank weight action plan that I use for preschoolers at my Head Start if you would like - it has lifestyle and food options for the doctor to select when children weigh in at overweight or obese. You could use the options for ideas (or ask the WIC nutritionist to review it with you)
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Post by gsquaredmom on Mar 22, 2016 11:50:06 GMT
Dr. said he was a bit big just to change his milk and cut serving size. We use the myplate to fix each meal. He get good carbs no junk at all unless it's a treat. he drinks a tone of water. The only thing that i can think of is winter weight I know I put on extra everey winter. What are good carbs? What is the treat? How often for both? He needs carbs, but all of the fruit juice and fruit WIC is supplying are also carbs. Any grains, cereals, breads, pastas are carbs, as well. Did WIC give you a suggested meal plan? Does he need more activity?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 22, 2016 11:50:27 GMT
Is he active? Is Doctor overly concerned? Have they run tests?
I know it's common for kids at that age to want to eat a lot but if his weight is going up and he's sedentary that could complicate his health.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Mar 22, 2016 11:53:50 GMT
he is 2.5 years old. We use the myplate plate they gave us and even cut those in half. He get two 4 oz low fat cups of milk each day. no sugar unless its a special event He is built like and small tank. WIC help low income mothers, infant and small children with food. You can only get what is on the list. It may be just that it is natural for him and he will always be tall and sturdy......could run in the family. Sometimes there is nothing one can do about it since he is already having a healthy diet. It causes a lot of stress worrying about it if you are doing everything right. I had one of those boys too and in my case it was his Kindergarten Head, not his Doctor or a Nurse or anyone else, who kept on about it. That caused me a lot of stress even though I didn't, and don't, mainly buy sugary or processed food etc., for my family or serve enormous portions. A few years later I had to smile when she came up to me and apologised explaining that her newest Grandson was exactly the same! By the way, that DS is now 6'5" and still sturdy, though not fat, and has been that way since his late teens.
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Post by raindancer on Mar 22, 2016 11:54:06 GMT
Serving size for 4 yo is much smaller than most people realize. What are you using as a guideline for portions? I would also suggest filling him up with well rounded healthy snacks, like an apple and a low fat string cheese and a glass of water. Those things are filling and when paired take time to digest keeping him full for longer.
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Post by johnnysmom on Mar 22, 2016 12:14:36 GMT
Does he look big/chubby? 50lbs is a lot for a 2yo. My oldest was heavy when he was little (not that heavy) but he was just solid. He wore pretty much the right size clothes (at that age he probably wore a size 3T. Now he's 6ft tall and skinny as a rail.
Really all you can do is make sure he's drinking plenty of water instead of juice/milk, eating healthy. Is he eating a lot at once, maybe not recognizing that he's full? Maybe many small meals instead of just 3. Is he getting enough exercise? If you can't get outside much maybe consider one of those mini trampolines (we have one and yds loved it from ages 1-4), lots of dancing and stuff.
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Post by darkangel090260 on Mar 22, 2016 12:18:10 GMT
we use something like this but it is from wic  He is going all the time. He never stops moving. Good carbs. whole wheat breads, wheat pastas, brown rice ect. ( he get carbs at each meal) Treat about once a month or less. Juice is not a daily thing (he has to have two hard poops be for he get 4 oz glass)
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Post by gsquaredmom on Mar 22, 2016 12:28:08 GMT
Mayoclinic.org. Nutrition for kids: guidelines for a healthy diet
Don't know how to link, but it gives very specific amounts of each food type by age.
Looking at that plate and looking at the Mayo Clinic list, I think that plate is deceptive.
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Post by melanell on Mar 22, 2016 12:32:33 GMT
Have you spoken to the doctor about the bowel movement issue? It sounds like hard stools are a regular issue for him since you have set up guidelines for how often he has to have them before offering certain things. I'd personally try to get more fruits & vegetables into his diet for fiber before offering juice. My kids really didn't drink juice except for special occasions. That just the thing that caught my attention because hard stools were quite a rare occurrence for my kids when they were little.
If WIC is the one expressing concern, are they also offering any assistance in trying to change what they see as a possible issue?
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Post by melanell on Mar 22, 2016 12:41:49 GMT
Looking at that plate and looking at the Mayo Clinic list, I think that plate is deceptive. The plate does look like it might lead to more food than toddlers/early preschool age kids might really need. If I was trying to hit all 4 food groups in all meals when my kids were little, they would have been eating a very small amount of each food. We used to strive more for a balanced diet over the course of a week than over a day or any one given meal. That way if a kid decided to eat nothing but berries for lunch one day, we would just roll with it and offer something different for the next eating time.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Mar 22, 2016 12:47:08 GMT
How does his activity level compare to other kids? Do you take him to parks where he can run around? You have posted sometimes about how you are trying to get him quiet at home. Is your perception of activity level realistic for a two year old?
Bottom line is that barring any medical issues and unusual genetics, for the typical person of any age, people gain weight if calories in are high compared to expenditure. If you can talk to a nutritionist, that might help.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Mar 22, 2016 12:49:27 GMT
Looking at that plate and looking at the Mayo Clinic list, I think that plate is deceptive. The plate does look like it might lead to more food than toddlers/early preschool age kids might really need. If I was trying to hit all 4 food groups in all meals when my kids were little, they would have been eating a very small amount of each food. We used to strive more for a balanced diet over the course of a week than over a day or any one given meal. That way if a kid decided to eat nothing but berries for lunch one day, we would just roll with it and offer something different for the next eating time. That's pretty much what we did. Average over a week. Mayo's guidelines would have very small grain and protein and huge fruit and vegetable portions on that plate, but I think the amounts per meal would be very small on there.
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Post by johnnysmom on Mar 22, 2016 12:50:59 GMT
Since he's almost 3, are you looking into head start for him next year? That may help him with food (no endless snacking available, limited meal times), exercise and behavior.
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Post by darkangel090260 on Mar 22, 2016 13:07:47 GMT
he get about 1/2 serving as the plate says. It not the right plate , the one we have is from wic. He is about a head or so taller then most kids his age and built pretty solid. He is strong as can be. He walks about a mile each day plus runs all the time. He never walk he always runs.
We are working on a school for him for special need children. He does not say many words.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Mar 22, 2016 13:28:37 GMT
Mom, it sounds like you are doing a lot of things right. Watch his portion size and lots of fruits and veggies. Some children are just solidly built at that age and there may be very little you can do about it at this time. Teach him healthy eating habits and his height and weight will balance out as he gets older.
I have worked in Head Start for years and they watch children's health and weight closely. I have been amazed at some of the children they have labeled as obese. Sometimes people get so focused on the charts that they stop looking at the actual child.
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Post by happymomma on Mar 22, 2016 14:04:15 GMT
Let me tell you a little story about WIC and their 'comments.' My son is now 27 so this was nearly three decades ago, but related. My son was born 'built to kick ass' as we like to joke. Born 8lb 12oz and 21 inches long but his shoulders were so broad that he got stuck coming out and nearly died. Suffered permanent damage because of it. He was a whopper then and still is. I qualified for WIC so I had to take him to the checkups at the Health Department. The first step was the weigh-in. Every time, the NURSE would weigh him and cluck her tongue at me. "He's too fat. He's in the 99th percentile!" Yes, back in those days they would actually say just that. Then...they would measure him. Lo and behold he was in the 99th percentile for that too. Then they would apologize. As smalltowngirlie said, they need to use some common sense and not rely only on their charts. Are you heavy? Because I myself was morbidly obese at the time, and I think they just assumed that since I was so fat that I was overfeeding my son. Not true. I might not have taken good care of myself diet-wise but that child was fed to perfection. No junk, very healthy diet, never ever pop to drink, etc. and he was as active as could be. Like your son, he was on the go from sunup to sundown. He was just a BIG kid. Big and strong. Today he is over 6 ft tall and built like a tank, but not fat. All muscle. I must say, I have seen posts from you here before about how your son is fed and admired you for them. We didn't have a plate like that back in those days but I worked in hospital dietary and had a very good understanding of nutrition. I think you are doing fine. You have a big strong healthy boy, it seems. If you really have concerns, ask your doctor to assess him. I'm pretty sure you can find percentile charts for height and weight online. If he seems to be in a proportionate range, just relax. But...I know what it's like to feel 'attacked' about this very subject. Especially when you are trying hard to do what is right and people are drawing conclusions based on a number. Now if he is not in proportion, then you have been given a few good suggestions here. This world has gotten so hung up on putting people into a box that it's ridiculous. People are people, not a number on a chart. That is just my opinion, but it is a subject that even thinking back on it nearly 30 years still upsets me. Best wishes to you and your little guy.
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Post by hdoublej on Mar 22, 2016 14:14:47 GMT
he get about 1/2 serving as the plate says. It not the right plate , the one we have is from wic. He is about a head or so taller then most kids his age and built pretty solid. He is strong as can be. He walks about a mile each day plus runs all the time. He never walk he always runs. We are working on a school for him for special need children. He does not say many words. This post struck me. I have a friend who was having some behavior issues with her DS which stemmed from frustration. He couldn't hear a thing!! Not saying that's what's going on with your DS but it was missed and finally diagnosed after he was a year old. I told you that to tell you this: try sign language with him. If he isn't saying much, use sign language and words at the same time. There's resources online and books at the library to learn sign language. This was the best solution for them. After his hearing was fixed (required a major surgery) he started speaking and signing at the same time. Before learning to sign, he was SO frustrated because he couldn't make anyone understand what he wanted and he acted out. The sign language gave him a way to communicate until he could speak what he wanted.
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Post by scrapmaven on Mar 22, 2016 14:29:24 GMT
Perhaps a visit w/his pediatrician now would be in order. You can discuss both nutrition and behavior. If you can afford the doctor visit I would highly recommend it.
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