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Post by Delta Dawn on Mar 24, 2016 16:16:23 GMT
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cakediva
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Post by cakediva on Mar 24, 2016 16:20:23 GMT
And we wonder why women find it so hard to come forward.
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oldcrow
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Post by oldcrow on Mar 24, 2016 16:37:54 GMT
It is too bad that trials of this nature should have the choice of *by judge* only. I do not believe he would have gotten off if it had been by jury.
Usually I would not be the least bit interested in a judges private life but this does make me wonder.
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Post by Nanner on Mar 24, 2016 16:51:36 GMT
Makes me sick, too. So now he can continue to abuse and beat up women.
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Post by tanya2 on Mar 24, 2016 16:52:48 GMT
I was shocked to say the least
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Mar 24, 2016 17:24:01 GMT
Shocked too! Victims of these type of crimes will be hard pressed to come forward now.
He will have no career in broadcasting regardless at least.
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Post by psiluvu on Mar 24, 2016 17:35:45 GMT
I don't understand why everyone is shocked. His lawyer totally discredited all the witnesses against him. She proved they embellished their stories or out right lied. Any proof of his actions beyond a reasonable doubt was blown right out of the water. I don't like him and think he probably did do the things he was accused of but we can't convict people because they are slimeballs.
I don't believe the system failed Canadians I think the Crown attorneys failed Canadians. They should have prepared their witnesses better or at least researched their stories better before going ahead with laying charges. It was a witch hunt when the allegations first came out and everyone was IMO too quick to convict him on the spot without the due diligence needed to make charges stick and provable.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Mar 24, 2016 17:45:17 GMT
Shocked too! Victims of these type of crimes will be hard pressed to come forward now. He will have no career in broadcasting regardless at least. I read a couple of articles about with the right PR campaign he will gain his reputation back and will be able to work in broadcasting again. Scary thought, eh? To the women in Canada, don't go near him. He is a psycho with no remorse. |
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Mar 24, 2016 17:48:40 GMT
Shocked too! Victims of these type of crimes will be hard pressed to come forward now. He will have no career in broadcasting regardless at least. I read a couple of articles about with the right PR campaign he will gain his reputation back and will be able to work in broadcasting again. Scary thought, eh? To the women in Canada, don't go near him. He is a psycho with no remorse. I don't think any mainstream broadcasting station would touch him. You can spit shine him up all you want he is still a turd lol. What woman working in broadcasting would want to work with him or even be in the same room with him few to none I think. |
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Post by psiluvu on Mar 24, 2016 17:52:12 GMT
Shocked too! Victims of these type of crimes will be hard pressed to come forward now. He will have no career in broadcasting regardless at least. I read a couple of articles about with the right PR campaign he will gain his reputation back and will be able to work in broadcasting again. Scary thought, eh? To the women in Canada, don't go near him. He is a psycho with no remorse. I don't believe that. I can't believe any legitimate broadcaster will touch him. Just think of all the advertisers and sponsors who would pull out of anything he is associated with. He will never get his reputation back. He never said he didn't do the things he was accused of it was implied by his camp that the women liked what he did so it wasn't assault. |
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Post by Delta Dawn on Mar 24, 2016 18:36:05 GMT
I read a couple of articles about with the right PR campaign he will gain his reputation back and will be able to work in broadcasting again. Scary thought, eh? To the women in Canada, don't go near him. He is a psycho with no remorse. I don't believe that. I can't believe any legitimate broadcaster will touch him. Just think of all the advertisers and sponsors who would pull out of anything he is associated with. He will never get his reputation back. He never said he didn't do the things he was accused of it was implied by his camp that the women liked what he did so it wasn't assault. I hope he has no career left. I hope no legitimate broadcaster will hire him either. We have no room in this country for people like him. If he wants to be an animal go live in the jungle. No he never said he didn't do it at all. That's the scary thing. |
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Post by belgravia on Mar 24, 2016 18:45:52 GMT
I heard this earlier today and it makes me so angry. Sad and angry. But having heard parts of his defence, and the way his legal team discredited his accusers, I have to say that his acquittal doesn't surprise me in the least. Sigh. We haven't come very far, have we?
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Post by leannec on Mar 24, 2016 18:51:21 GMT
As an abuse survivor I am very angry and sad   It is a given that he will now attempt to sue the CBC for wrongful dismissal  His broadcasting career is over ... Dh said earlier: Moxie Fruvous reunites!!!  I'm really upset about this verdict so I appreciate him trying to cheer me up  |
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Post by Rainy_Day_Woman on Mar 24, 2016 18:53:16 GMT
I don't understand why everyone is shocked. His lawyer totally discredited all the witnesses against him. She proved they embellished their stories or out right lied. Any proof of his actions beyond a reasonable doubt was blown right out of the water. I don't like him and think he probably did do the things he was accused of but we can't convict people because they are slimeballs. I don't believe the system failed Canadians I think the Crown attorneys failed Canadians. They should have prepared their witnesses better or at least researched their stories better before going ahead with laying charges. It was a witch hunt when the allegations first came out and everyone was IMO too quick to convict him on the spot without the due diligence needed to make charges stick and provable. I think this is around here I sit on this. I knew he was never going to be found guilty, I assumed most people felt the same way. I'm certain that he did it, and probably will again. He's a creep. The quote from the judge was infuriating though: "We must fight against the stereotype that all sexual assault complaints are truthful." Really, THAT'S the stereotype? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 18:55:30 GMT
psiluvu captured my thoughts very well. I just don't know what the future holds for him, I'm not so sure he is untouchable. Annette
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Post by oldcrow on Mar 24, 2016 19:31:06 GMT
I believe he still has another court date for a separate case. Maybe the crown will be on their game this time.
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Post by penny on Mar 24, 2016 20:38:07 GMT
The worst things about this case hopefully will be for the best... We have the perception about the Canadian legal system that is inaccurate... There are serious deficiencies in the system that need reform...
The Crown did exactly and all they're permitted to do... They are NOT allowed to prepared the witnesses the way defends attorneys are... The judge has a reputation of being fair and sticking to the law, and he did that... And Ghomeshi's lawyer is skilled, smart, and hardworking - everything you'd want in lawyer if you needed one...
It was not a person who let us down - it was the system... If everyone follows the rules and procedures of the system - as you would of course want them to do, and the system demands an inaccurate verdict, then the problem is in the system... Lawyers and judges have known this for years, but it is hard to explain that to people, to make them understand just why reforms are so incredibly essential and overdue...
This case needs to be a startling and igniting lesson for everyone - citizens and politicians, to start acting and putting resources into making changes...
We need to start asking and demanding that research into how victims react after an assault - days, weeks, months, years later... We need to push for the funding for scientific research that can form the basis of a stronger understanding of the psychological issues that arise from sexual assaults, and use that fact-based knowledge to inform changes to the system...
I have the same guy reaction as everyone - this is not right... I've been through it, in the same jurisdiction as this case, facing the same system, so I really do get it... But I want more than a judge that sees what we all see... I want a system that sees what we see... I want a system that is fair, that presumes innocence and has high standards, and that has learned from science a better and more just way of handling sexual assaults...
I fear this is an opportunity to insist on those things, but that we'll complain about how unfair it was or start making it personal about that one judge or that one Crown... If we fall down that hole we are missing the point - the system should work even if there is a bad judge, or a bad Crown... Easier said than done and a goal that likely will always be something to strive for and never reached, but that is what we need to be demanding...
It's a big and complicated endeavour... It's an issue that politicians often brush off or delay acting on because it is so complex...
Now is the time when there is more pressure than ever before for them to take a stance... We need to keep the attention on the issue... We need to ask for funding to go into research that will form a basis for recommendations... This needs to be the tipping point, the point when not taking action, not taking a stance, is no longer acceptable...
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Post by realm on Mar 24, 2016 20:47:55 GMT
The thing is, not guilty does not equal innocent. As despicable a person as he is, he is entitled to a fair trial. He had a really good lawyer who was able to create a reasonable doubt by bringing up inconsistencies in the victim's stories in what they told to police. During the time of the trial it also appeared that the crown was unaware that some of the women had contact with Gomeshi after the assaults so may not have been able to effectively counter.
As much as I believe he is guilty, he was entitled to a fair trial and as much as I personally dislike the verdict I believe it was the right one based on the inconsistencies in the victim's statements. The threshold for guilt needs to be high to protect those that are truly innocent but it is unfortunate in this case.
There is another charge against him still to go to trial and I really hope for a different outcome. However it goes, I don't believe he will ever be able to revive his career here in Canada.
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Post by Country Ham on Mar 25, 2016 0:59:25 GMT
The quote from the judge was infuriating though: "We must fight against the stereotype that all sexual assault complaints are truthful." Really, THAT'S the stereotype? Actually I think it's a very prevailing opinion. I think people accused of sexual crimes are pretty much treated like "Guilty until proven innocent" by society. |
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Post by peajays on Mar 25, 2016 1:09:43 GMT
Dh said earlier: Moxie Fruvous reunites!!! Seriously.......how did I not know this?!?! hanging my head in shame  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 1:11:57 GMT
Well said pennyThank you Annette |
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