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Post by birukitty on Mar 25, 2016 17:17:18 GMT
You are making it much more complicated than it is. Bernie was favored to win Arizona. That's all Hillary had to know. Period. The DNC (Democratic National Committee) is led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz who is as corrupt as they come and is a heavy aligned with Hillary Clinton. I think they had a hand in this. I may be wrong. Yes, it could be just because of the entire mess from the loss of the law on Voting Rights. But I wouldn't put it past them to have a hand in this. Bernie Saunders is predicted to win the next few states. Clinton is probably beginning to panic and in my mind isn't past doing whatever she can, and yes if that means cheating I wouldn't put it past her. Debbie in MD. I am confused. I though Most of the polls I saw showed Hillary favored to win Arizona. Bernie is favored to win in Washinton, which is Saturday because it is a caucus state. I have seen and heard Bernie ads on tv and radio but nothing from Hillary. We get flyers but that's about all. From what I read Bernie was favored to win in Arizona. If you are hearing this from mainstream media you have to remember that a lot of media has contributed to Hillary's campaign-this is why we're hearing on the media that Hillary has already practically won the Primary and we hear nothing about Bernie-I'm talking about TV. Again, like I said I could be wrong. I first heard about it on facebook. Debbie in MD.
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Post by MizIndependent on Mar 25, 2016 18:21:29 GMT
I do NOT want to vote by mail. I have plenty of time to early vote at very convenient locations if I so choose, and whenever I do vote, I know that I delivered my vote to be counted right then and there. I'm too distrustful of the mail and the mail openers and the mail readers to believe that's a better option. Anything that adds more steps and more people into the process of a secret vote is a bad thing IMO. It's the same people opening your mail in ballot and counting the vote as would be counting your vote from a polling place. The only thing the USPS is doing is delivering the ballot. We also have the option of delivering the ballot to a drop box if you don't want to mail it. In Oregon, we have specific voting drop boxes so, even though the USPS is doing the pickups, the ballots are not going through the normal mailing process.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 18:29:04 GMT
I always take my mail-in ballot to the drop box. I refuse to pay for postage on it, and I think they should be postage-paid. It really irks me that they're not.
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Post by tidegirl on Mar 25, 2016 18:33:10 GMT
Usually by this point Arizona isn't much of a blip in the election cycle (imo.) This time around the candidates were hitting Arizona pretty hard. The candidates and especially Bernie was going all over the state. We were also making national news for some of the activities going on around the candidate stops.
I wonder if more people deciding to actually cast a primary vote created some of the mess? (Not the people themselves BUT the number of people casting votes.)I would not be surprised if the numbers were far greater this time around. The planned the number of sites according to prior voting data. I did a quick google search on numbers of votes cast in the primary 2016 vs 2014. All that came up were the issues surrounding the primary.
I can not imagine the mess the real deal national election is going to be come November. Not just in Arizona but all across the nation.
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Post by SwissArmyBeth on Mar 25, 2016 18:38:15 GMT
I am confused. I though Most of the polls I saw showed Hillary favored to win Arizona. Bernie is favored to win in Washinton, which is Saturday because it is a caucus state. I have seen and heard Bernie ads on tv and radio but nothing from Hillary. We get flyers but that's about all. From what I read Bernie was favored to win in Arizona. If you are hearing this from mainstream media you have to remember that a lot of media has contributed to Hillary's campaign-this is why we're hearing on the media that Hillary has already practically won the Primary and we hear nothing about Bernie-I'm talking about TV. Again, like I said I could be wrong. I first heard about it on facebook. Debbie in MD. Arizonan here. Clinton was always predicted to win big. Sanders has a large following, but (my opinion), his biggest supporters here are independents, whose votes did not count Tuesday.
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Post by Tamhugh on Mar 25, 2016 19:45:29 GMT
Not being snarky, just trying to figure out what I might be missing, but.... How would Hilary be sure she was benefitting from this? She would have to have access to all of the voting rolls, access to the ability to change them, and then the knowledge of exactly which registered Democrats supported her and which ones supported Bernie. Then she would have to go through each one and only change the registration of those that supported Bernie so that they couldn't vote. I think the Clintons are savvy politicians who will say and do almost anything to win but I think this is a bit too much even for them. Again, I may be missing something entirely. You are making it much more complicated than it is. Bernie was favored to win Arizona. That's all Hillary had to know. Period. The DNC (Democratic National Committee) is led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz who is as corrupt as they come and is a heavy aligned with Hillary Clinton. I think they had a hand in this. I may be wrong. Yes, it could be just because of the entire mess from the loss of the law on Voting Rights. But I wouldn't put it past them to have a hand in this. Bernie Saunders is predicted to win the next few states. Clinton is probably beginning to panic and in my mind isn't past doing whatever she can, and yes if that means cheating I wouldn't put it past her. Debbie in MD. It's not a matter of making it more complicated. I still don't understand how illegally and secretly changing people's registration from Democrat to Independent would help Hilary unless they only changed the affiliation of Hilary supporters. I am sure that there are far easier and more effective ways of cheating if she (or any candidate) was trying to rig the election.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 25, 2016 20:17:15 GMT
(1) the media is not in the bag for Hillary. The media doesn't give a rat's ass who wins. All they care about is what sells the most papers or air time or clicks, and thus advertising. Okay, they care a bit about finding the truth, too. People who care more about the outcome of elections than they do about the accuracy of the news don't generally waste their time going into journalism. (2) Hillary's people are not sneaking into the voter registration rolls and changing people's party affiliation. Especially not in a Republican-run county, but really? Not anywhere. (3) if either of the above were remotely likely or even possible, don't you think Bernie's actual campaign might make mention of it? (4) you appear to be reading whatever is the left-wing version of Breitbart or NewsMax. A lot of hysterical "reporting" but not much actual truth. I'm sorry, I think your passion for Bernie is overcoming your good sense here. I've refrained from speaking up before, but I can no longer stay quiet about this. birukitty
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Post by jeremysgirl on Mar 25, 2016 20:55:08 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks it's a shame we can't take advantage of technology to make voting easier? Why can't we simply have a .gov website where we go, put in our social security number, choose Republican or Democrat, then with one click vote? No registering even necessary. It could be open for a month. Computer tallies it up automatically so everyone can see who is winning and everyone can vote at the same time. It seems like such a simple idea.
Standing in line for 5 hours is unacceptable.
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Post by MizIndependent on Mar 25, 2016 21:09:23 GMT
(1) the media is not in the bag for Hillary. The media doesn't give a rat's ass who wins. All they care about is what sells the most papers or air time or clicks, and thus advertising. Okay, they care a bit about finding the truth, too. People who care more about the outcome of elections than they do about the accuracy of the news don't generally waste their time going into journalism. Lucy, I respectfully disagree with you here. Huffpo did a really nice write-up about why Sander's supporters are angry with the media - and it is legit. For example, Arizona (from referenced Huffpo article): ETA this bit also, since it's more media-centric and relevant to your comment:
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Post by pb on Mar 25, 2016 21:21:10 GMT
Real Clear Politics
The above link has the Real Clear Politics Arizona Poll with their average as well as the individual polls. I find RCP to be very even handed in their reporting as well as the articles they highlight. And Hilary may have been losing with those who vote late just as Trump has particularly done well with those who vote early. But Arizona has one of the highest early voting rates (not counting those states that vote entirely by mail) which had a real effect on the results...Rubio dropped out yet still received a significant vote most likely from early voters. I would agree greed that the establishment does want Hillary...and while that has an impact I don't think it had an effect on Arizona's voting issues. And the the media wants to have a contested election on both sides for as long as possible as it makes good copy.
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Post by MizIndependent on Mar 25, 2016 21:28:03 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks it's a shame we can't take advantage of technology to make voting easier? Why can't we simply have a .gov website where we go, put in our social security number, choose Republican or Democrat, then with one click vote? No registering even necessary. It could be open for a month. Computer tallies it up automatically so everyone can see who is winning and everyone can vote at the same time. It seems like such a simple idea.
Standing in line for 5 hours is unacceptable. The same government responsible for healthcare.gov?
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Post by birukitty on Mar 25, 2016 22:22:32 GMT
(1) the media is not in the bag for Hillary. The media doesn't give a rat's ass who wins. All they care about is what sells the most papers or air time or clicks, and thus advertising. Okay, they care a bit about finding the truth, too. People who care more about the outcome of elections than they do about the accuracy of the news don't generally waste their time going into journalism. (2) Hillary's people are not sneaking into the voter registration rolls and changing people's party affiliation. Especially not in a Republican-run county, but really? Not anywhere. (3) if either of the above were remotely likely or even possible, don't you think Bernie's actual campaign might make mention of it? (4) you appear to be reading whatever is the left-wing version of Breitbart or NewsMax. A lot of hysterical "reporting" but not much actual truth. I'm sorry, I think your passion for Bernie is overcoming your good sense here. I've refrained from speaking up before, but I can no longer stay quiet about this. birukitty I respectfully disagree with you LucyG. I'm not reading Breitbart or NewMax-I have no idea what those sites are. I do read Huffington Post, facebook which has popups about Bernie Sanders from various newspapers like Huffington Post, but like I've said I've never heard of NewsMax or Breitbart. I know you are a Hillary supporter and that's fine. I guess what I'd like to do is just agree to disagree. We've been friends for a long time. I'd sure like that to continue. If I can talk politics with my father who is a Republican and have him declare that Bernie Sanders is a communist and we can laugh about it, I sure do hope that you and I can agree to disagree on this one and move on. Debbie in MD.
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 25, 2016 22:29:13 GMT
In Oregon, we have specific voting drop boxes so, even though the USPS is doing the pickups, the ballots are not going through the normal mailing process. Interesting.
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 25, 2016 22:32:00 GMT
The media doesn't give a rat's ass who wins. We are definitely listening to different media.
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 25, 2016 22:34:44 GMT
Why can't we simply have a .gov website where we go, put in our social security number, choose Republican or Democrat, then with one click vote?
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Post by darkchami on Mar 26, 2016 0:51:31 GMT
Trust me, they check the signatures on the ballots. My signature must have changed enough in one year for it to trigger a fraudulent ballot alert. I had to send in additional verification that I was who I said I was. I also had 2 men show up at my doorstep to tell me to send in the papers. By the time all of that happened, wouldn't the voter count have already decided who had won? It took just a couple of days to get straightened out. The ballot itself still counts, which is really the point.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 26, 2016 4:04:54 GMT
MizIndependent I think that's an interesting article, but it's clearly an opinion piece. If the media appears to be pushing for Hillary, I think that's maybe how it looks from the viewpoint of wishing they were pushing for Bernie. I believe they are looking at the facts and understand that Hillary IS going to be nominee. Bernie has much to offer. I would vote for him if he were the Democratic nominee and I think he'd make a fine Vice President. But I don't believe, based on the evidence, that he will be the ultimate nominee. It's not the media's job to push him forward. It's only their job to report the truth or as close as they can get to it.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 26, 2016 4:15:49 GMT
(1) the media is not in the bag for Hillary. The media doesn't give a rat's ass who wins. All they care about is what sells the most papers or air time or clicks, and thus advertising. Okay, they care a bit about finding the truth, too. People who care more about the outcome of elections than they do about the accuracy of the news don't generally waste their time going into journalism. (2) Hillary's people are not sneaking into the voter registration rolls and changing people's party affiliation. Especially not in a Republican-run county, but really? Not anywhere. (3) if either of the above were remotely likely or even possible, don't you think Bernie's actual campaign might make mention of it? (4) you appear to be reading whatever is the left-wing version of Breitbart or NewsMax. A lot of hysterical "reporting" but not much actual truth. I'm sorry, I think your passion for Bernie is overcoming your good sense here. I've refrained from speaking up before, but I can no longer stay quiet about this. birukitty I respectfully disagree with you LucyG. I'm not reading Breitbart or NewMax-I have no idea what those sites are. I do read Huffington Post, facebook which has popups about Bernie Sanders from various newspapers like Huffington Post, but like I've said I've never heard of NewsMax or Breitbart. I know you are a Hillary supporter and that's fine. I guess what I'd like to do is just agree to disagree. We've been friends for a long time. I'd sure like that to continue. If I can talk politics with my father who is a Republican and have him declare that Bernie Sanders is a communist and we can laugh about it, I sure do hope that you and I can agree to disagree on this one and move on. Debbie in MD. Debbie, I have no problem with you being a Bernie supporter. Both of my kids are, too. My only problem is when you post accusations against Hillary which are unsupported by the evidence. You are reading slanted opinion pieces that purport to be hard news. You don't need to be familiar with Breitbart or NewsMax. They are perfectly dreadful extreme-right-wing spin machines that invent their "news." I didn't mean I thought you were reading them specifically, but I was afraid you were reading left-wing equivalents that were also making up news to suit their agenda. If you aren't, that's great, I feel better already. And I do treasure our friendship, so I'll try to lay off you and stick to arguing with Lefty and Miz. But there's a looooong election season ahead of us, so no absolute promises.
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 26, 2016 5:49:39 GMT
And I do treasure our friendship, so I'll try to lay off you and stick to arguing with Lefty and Miz. I just laughed out loud for reals.
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Post by anxiousmom on Mar 26, 2016 14:56:20 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks it's a shame we can't take advantage of technology to make voting easier? Why can't we simply have a .gov website where we go, put in our social security number, choose Republican or Democrat, then with one click vote? No registering even necessary. It could be open for a month. Computer tallies it up automatically so everyone can see who is winning and everyone can vote at the same time. It seems like such a simple idea.
Standing in line for 5 hours is unacceptable. I read an article a couple of days ago and there is a country that does this. I read the article really quickly and for the life of me can't remember where it is or how it works, but there is a special chip in their driver's licenses that allows them to vote on line...maybe at a kiosk? Damn, I'm sorry, I wish I could remember but it was one of those things that I saw on twitter and followed the link while drinking my first cup of coffee and it sort of went in one ear and right out the other. I do remember thinking that there was no information in the article about potential exploitation or issues with lack of wide spread technology...
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