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Post by freecharlie on Mar 27, 2016 23:25:07 GMT
I don't get it. Someone wrote Trump 2016 in chalk on Emory campus and some students not only protested, buts said it caused them pain and that it made them afraid. Now I think Trump is an idiot and he certainly cam be hateful, but to me, this is a huge overreaction. If I was on the fense, it might push me toward Trump. I don't get it. If it offended me that much, I'd open my water bottle and pour it on the chalk. www.newsweek.com/emory-trump-chalk-protests-440618There are many articles on this, I'm only linking one, but Google it, there are lots.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 27, 2016 23:38:33 GMT
Well aren't they special Snowflakes.
I laughed when I heard about this previously it reminded me of the little boy from around the corner.
When he was little if some sidewalk chalk art got too close to his house ( public side walks ) or he didn't like it, he PEED on it. I am not kidding. Caused a big brew haha til his mother could get a handle on him.
Now THAT might cause a 5yo chalk artist some 'trauma' .
Chalk. On the ground. Causes pain.
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Post by Merge on Mar 27, 2016 23:47:12 GMT
Chalk on the ground written near the student services center that houses black and Latino student organizations is somewhat different than chalk on another, random part of campus.
If you read the entire article, as I did, you read that this is just the latest in a string of incidents that have caused students of color to feel unsafe or unwanted at Emory. Notice that no one suggested that students should not be able to campaign or vote for Trump, or that his name should be banned from campus. The university states that this kind of free speech is protected by campus policy and no one disagrees. If there has, however, been a history of speech that creates a hostile environment for black and Latino students, they deserve to have their voices heard about that.
I'm honestly not sure why this is news, but saying that other students voicing their opinion might cause you to vote for Trump if you weren't previously going to ... I don't understand that at all.
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Post by Rainbow on Mar 27, 2016 23:59:12 GMT
Ridiculous. Wimps.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 28, 2016 0:04:52 GMT
Chalk on the ground written near the student services center that houses black and Latino student organizations is somewhat different than chalk on another, random part of campus. If you read the entire article, as I did, you read that this is just the latest in a string of incidents that have caused students of color to feel unsafe or unwanted at Emory. Notice that no one suggested that students should not be able to campaign or vote for Trump, or that his name should be banned from campus. The university states that this kind of free speech is protected by campus policy and no one disagrees. If there has, however, been a history of speech that creates a hostile environment for black and Latino students, they deserve to have their voices heard about that. I'm honestly not sure why this is news, but saying that other students voicing their opinion might cause you to vote for Trump if you weren't previously going to ... I don't understand that at all. because this is just another in a long line of instances that people are protesting, complaining, or whining about someone else's opinion. If a political chalk writing seriously pains you, then perhaps you need therapy. It is like the people at Harvard complainING about a safe space.
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Post by Merge on Mar 28, 2016 0:21:34 GMT
Chalk on the ground written near the student services center that houses black and Latino student organizations is somewhat different than chalk on another, random part of campus. If you read the entire article, as I did, you read that this is just the latest in a string of incidents that have caused students of color to feel unsafe or unwanted at Emory. Notice that no one suggested that students should not be able to campaign or vote for Trump, or that his name should be banned from campus. The university states that this kind of free speech is protected by campus policy and no one disagrees. If there has, however, been a history of speech that creates a hostile environment for black and Latino students, they deserve to have their voices heard about that. I'm honestly not sure why this is news, but saying that other students voicing their opinion might cause you to vote for Trump if you weren't previously going to ... I don't understand that at all. because this is just another in a long line of instances that people are protesting, complaining, or whining about someone else's opinion. If a political chalk writing seriously pains you, then perhaps you need therapy. It is like the people at Harvard complainING about a safe space. So ... other people whining would cause you to vote for Trump? That's kind of validating what they're saying about him, isn't it? Kind of, "You think you feel unsafe now? I'll show you unsafe!" College kids staging a peaceful, minor protest shouldn't be national news to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 0:42:37 GMT
I, at first, thought "in chalk" referred to a body outline like one might associate w a crime scene.
I might be able to give the sensitive students a pass if that were the case.
But no.
A name and a year? No. Stop being a pansy.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Mar 28, 2016 0:54:47 GMT
We have a generation of students protesting/afraid/offended by things that make my jaw drop. And now they want buildings renamed on college/university campuses because something someone did centuries ago offend them. Time to suck it buttercup or the real world is going to be a very nasty place when you get a job and there is no *safe* place for you to go to. JMHO of course.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 28, 2016 1:18:08 GMT
So ... other people whining would cause you to vote for Trump? That's kind of validating what they're saying about him, isn't it? Kind of, "You think you feel unsafe now? I'll show you unsafe!" The sentiment behind their reaction, that if someone doesn't agree with you 100% then they are hate mongering and attacking you. Look at the threads of Trump supporters, many of them use that sentiment. The one that says they are tired of pandering to every special interest group. That he tells it like it is. Person after person describes that is the reason they support him. This demonstration isn't going to hurt him at all. It is going to strengthen the people he has mesmerized and I do believe it may change some who weren't decided.
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Post by Merge on Mar 28, 2016 1:26:25 GMT
So ... other people whining would cause you to vote for Trump? That's kind of validating what they're saying about him, isn't it? Kind of, "You think you feel unsafe now? I'll show you unsafe!" The sentiment behind their reaction, that if someone doesn't agree with you 100% then they are hate mongering and attacking you. Look at the threads of Trump supporters, many of them use that sentiment. The one that says they are tired of pandering to every special interest group. That he tells it like it is. Person after person describes that is the reason they support him. This demonstration isn't going to hurt him at all. It is going to strengthen the people he has mesmerized and I do believe it may change some who weren't decided. Well, I would disagree that this particularly story is as simple as political disagreement. If the chalk drawings were truly done only close to this particular student center, it does seem a bit more targeted than just a simple political disagreement. From my perspective, it seems like a lot of Trump supporters have decided to do exactly what they're accusing these college students of doing ... playing the victim card when no one and nothing has actually threatened them. As if a cultural norm that we should refrain from racist speech, judge others as individuals instead of by stereotypes, and treat others with dignity and respect is an odious burden that turns Trump supporters into a persecuted class.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 28, 2016 1:30:08 GMT
Well, I would disagree that this particularly story is as simple as political disagreement. If the chalk drawings were truly done only close to this particular student center, it does seem a bit more targeted than just a simple political disagreement. The couple stories I read (I read newsweek, fox news, and msn) it seemed there were multiple chalkings, more than just around a specific student center. If it did target one, then that may make me change my tune a little. From my perspective, it seems like a lot of Trump supporters have decided to do exactly what they're accusing these college students of doing ... playing the victim card when no one and nothing has actually threatened them. I didn't see any Trump supporters quoted.
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Post by BeckyTech on Mar 28, 2016 15:56:40 GMT
Chalk on the ground written near the student services center that houses black and Latino student organizations is somewhat different than chalk on another, random part of campus. Since you say you read the entire article, you would have seen that this is the main student activities center, a lot of groups meet there. Just because Latino and black groups meet there doesn't mean they were targeted, just that they want people to think they were. If the chalk drawings were truly done only close to this particular student center, it does seem a bit more targeted than just a simple political disagreement. The articles says the chalk appeared "around the Emory University campus." IMO, "huge overreaction" isn't the half of it. Oh, the drama, "I feared for my life." This story really made me wonder how these kids are going to fare when they have to make their way in the real world. There are plenty of legitimate causes of concern and dramatizing "Trump 2016" into a PTSD event only dilutes legitimate issues that exist.
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Post by loco coco on Mar 28, 2016 15:58:44 GMT
100% ridiculous
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Post by MizIndependent on Mar 28, 2016 16:06:10 GMT
Come on guys, don't you know that they "are in pain!!1!!?!" They simply don't deserve to feel afraid at their school.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 28, 2016 16:21:51 GMT
Chalk on the ground written near the student services center that houses black and Latino student organizations is somewhat different than chalk on another, random part of campus. If you read the entire article, as I did, you read that this is just the latest in a string of incidents that have caused students of color to feel unsafe or unwanted at Emory. Notice that no one suggested that students should not be able to campaign or vote for Trump, or that his name should be banned from campus. The university states that this kind of free speech is protected by campus policy and no one disagrees. If there has, however, been a history of speech that creates a hostile environment for black and Latino students, they deserve to have their voices heard about that. I'm honestly not sure why this is news, but saying that other students voicing their opinion might cause you to vote for Trump if you weren't previously going to ... I don't understand that at all. I think you're stretching. If you read the article it said multiple chalk messages and linked to these pictures which state: thetab.com/us/emory/2016/03/21/support-trump-2024If someone had written Trump only on a minority student center sign - I'd give them attempt at intimidation similar to the drawing of a swastika on a traditional Jewish fraternity. Wandering all over campus and scrawling Trump in chalk - that's clearly not targeting minority students. Their over the top rhetoric didn't help their cause - fearing for their life...
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Post by DEX on Mar 28, 2016 16:35:19 GMT
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Mar 28, 2016 16:45:00 GMT
From my perspective, it seems like a lot of Trump supporters have decided to do exactly what they're accusing these college students of doing ... playing the victim card when no one and nothing has actually threatened them. And just because there may not be any Trump supporters quoted expressing their "victimization" in any one specific article, they're definitely out there.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Mar 28, 2016 16:49:06 GMT
From the Snopes article:
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 28, 2016 16:54:43 GMT
I didn't see anyone discussing emergency counseling on this thread. The OP linked to a Newsweek (hardly a right wing outlet) article and has several quotes from students - I am responding to that. If snopes would like to rate whether the students utterly over reacted and had reason to fear for their lives (which is a direct quote in the article from the OP) please share.
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Post by freebird on Mar 28, 2016 16:58:42 GMT
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Post by whopea on Mar 28, 2016 16:59:04 GMT
Awww, I guess when you spend $60 grand to go to college, the real world can be a slap in the face. I feel really bad for these young people. <<sarcasm>>
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Post by DEX on Mar 28, 2016 17:10:43 GMT
No, they did not say that students overreacted. What it did describe was an overreaction by the media.
While it was true that several dozen Emory University students protested in response to the Trump chalk scrawlings, we were unable to substantiate that anyone (student or administrator) offered emergency counseling, or, indeed, counseling or any sort. Neither did anyone seek counseling that we could see, and no students complained "safe spaces" were violated (though at least one said they felt "unsafe"). The Emory University media brouhaha was one of several distorted claims of rampant political correctness on college campuses and elsewhere, with several (embellished) details repeated by major outlets such as the Daily Mail, Mediaite, and the Washington Post. Just a few weeks before the Emory controversy, several web sites inaccurately claimed students were offered counseling over the presence of mini sombreros at a party. Another viral Facebook post claimed Captain America was deemed offensive and banned; a Brooklyn principal was falsely accused of banning the Pledge of Allegiance, Thanksgiving, and Christmas; and another faux outrage popped up over a satirical poster claiming popular Halloween costumes were not politically correct and kids wearing them would be denied candy. In nearly all such claims, details of the actual controversy were obfuscated by embellished elements framing students or schools as overly sensitive. While it was true some students of color expressed that the large number of Trump chalkings made them uneasy, most simply gathered to express their political distaste for the presidential candidate and his platforms on issues of race and religion. On 25 March 2016, Emory protest organizer Jonathan Peraza contacted us and linked to a 24 March 2016 statement about the controversy issued by involved students on campus:
Subsequent media reports have tried to frame this case as one about “coddled” and “oversensitive” students; however, LET US BE CLEAR: We are not scared of the chalk. We are not mad about being politically challenged. We are rightfully angry because we also exercise our first amendment right to freedom of speech and there are people on this campus, and in this country, who as a result choose to threaten us and twist the truth to protect their own bigotry. Firstly, we are not asking that these students censor their politics, nor are we asking that administration chooses to intervene in student politics. Rather, what we are asking for is equality and equity -- we want a streamlined, consistent method of communication to deal with instances of unrest on Emory's campus. This means race, color and economic status should not determine whether or not the University needs to be prompted to send out a response of acknowledgement of events. Secondly, we ask the Emory University Student Body and individuals nationally to fight for our right of freedom of speech the way they have for Trump supporters.
Sorry about that. The above is quotes from Snopes.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 28, 2016 17:23:35 GMT
No, they did not say that students overreacted. What it did describe was an overreaction by the media..... Of course they wanted to rate the media - they created a red herring of reports of emergency counseling to so they could state that the media was mostly false. No where in the Newsweek or half a dozen other articles was there any discussion about emergency counseling - they actually interviewed students - who frankly made asses of themselves. If they had rated - "Emory students over react to chalk writings on campus" - they'd have to state MOSTLY TRUE.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 28, 2016 18:04:29 GMT
the only part that isn't immediately true is the offering of counseling
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 18:07:32 GMT
No, they did not say that students overreacted. What it did describe was an overreaction by the media.While it was true that several dozen Emory University students protested in response to the Trump chalk scrawlings, we were unable to substantiate that anyone (student or administrator) offered emergency counseling, or, indeed, counseling or any sort. Neither did anyone seek counseling that we could see, and no students complained "safe spaces" were violated (though at least one said they felt "unsafe"). The Emory University media brouhaha was one of several distorted claims of rampant political correctness on college campuses and elsewhere, with several (embellished) details repeated by major outlets such as the Daily Mail, Mediaite, and the Washington Post. Just a few weeks before the Emory controversy, several web sites inaccurately claimed students were offered counseling over the presence of mini sombreros at a party. Another viral Facebook post claimed Captain America was deemed offensive and banned; a Brooklyn principal was falsely accused of banning the Pledge of Allegiance, Thanksgiving, and Christmas; and another faux outrage popped up over a satirical poster claiming popular Halloween costumes were not politically correct and kids wearing them would be denied candy. In nearly all such claims, details of the actual controversy were obfuscated by embellished elements framing students or schools as overly sensitive. While it was true some students of color expressed that the large number of Trump chalkings made them uneasy, most simply gathered to express their political distaste for the presidential candidate and his platforms on issues of race and religion. On 25 March 2016, Emory protest organizer Jonathan Peraza contacted us and linked to a 24 March 2016 statement about the controversy issued by involved students on campus: Subsequent media reports have tried to frame this case as one about “coddled” and “oversensitive” students; however, LET US BE CLEAR: We are not scared of the chalk. We are not mad about being politically challenged. We are rightfully angry because we also exercise our first amendment right to freedom of speech and there are people on this campus, and in this country, who as a result choose to threaten us and twist the truth to protect their own bigotry. Firstly, we are not asking that these students censor their politics, nor are we asking that administration chooses to intervene in student politics. Rather, what we are asking for is equality and equity -- we want a streamlined, consistent method of communication to deal with instances of unrest on Emory's campus. This means race, color and economic status should not determine whether or not the University needs to be prompted to send out a response of acknowledgement of events. Secondly, we ask the Emory University Student Body and individuals nationally to fight for our right of freedom of speech the way they have for Trump supporters.Sorry about that. The above is quotes from Snopes. There's the problem, right there. Somebody give the non-Trump supporters a damn piece of chalk so they can exercise their freedom of speech too.
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Post by miominmio on Mar 28, 2016 19:35:32 GMT
I don't get it. If it offended me that much, I'd open my water bottle and pour it on the chalk. But....but....the poor little darlings aren't offended, they are afraid! If this is the scariest thing they will experience in their lives, they should consider themselves extremely lucky.
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Post by maryland on Mar 28, 2016 19:48:37 GMT
Our newspaper was making fun of that today!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 28, 2016 21:32:56 GMT
I think people don't think for themselves anymore, that they get caught up in the protest without knowing what they are protesting, that the lack substance in their arguments and opinions. No one checks facts, researches, does their homework anymore, they just latch onto whatever is "trending" at the moment. It scares me because the young adults react in trends, just flit around, live in the moment. These will be the same who make decisions/elect our leaders when I get old .
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Post by AnotherPea on Mar 28, 2016 21:54:40 GMT
I think people don't think for themselves anymore, that they get caught up in the protest without knowing what they are protesting, that the lack substance in their arguments and opinions. No one checks facts, researches, does their homework anymore, they just latch onto whatever is "trending" at the moment. It scares me because the young adults react in trends, just flit around, live in the moment. These will be the same who make decisions/elect our leaders when I get old . I see this all the freaking time at work. Education is filled, especially at the high school and college level, with many VERY liberal instructors. You'd think they'd be able to think for themselves but they rarely do. Massive followers who spend way too much time sharing their opinions with their students instead of actual facts in the curriculum. No wonder liberals are all for free college - they have a captive audience for their platform. I run about 60/40 conservative to liberal. Before I started teaching I was a solid 50/50. I think if my schools were filled with conservatives that did the same thing, I'd be 60/40 on the liberal side. Lazy thinking and parroting makes me lean towards the opposite side.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 28, 2016 22:03:56 GMT
No, they did not say that students overreacted. What it did describe was an overreaction by the media.While it was true that several dozen Emory University students protested in response to the Trump chalk scrawlings, we were unable to substantiate that anyone (student or administrator) offered emergency counseling, or, indeed, counseling or any sort. Neither did anyone seek counseling that we could see, and no students complained "safe spaces" were violated (though at least one said they felt "unsafe"). The Emory University media brouhaha was one of several distorted claims of rampant political correctness on college campuses and elsewhere, with several (embellished) details repeated by major outlets such as the Daily Mail, Mediaite, and the Washington Post. Just a few weeks before the Emory controversy, several web sites inaccurately claimed students were offered counseling over the presence of mini sombreros at a party. Another viral Facebook post claimed Captain America was deemed offensive and banned; a Brooklyn principal was falsely accused of banning the Pledge of Allegiance, Thanksgiving, and Christmas; and another faux outrage popped up over a satirical poster claiming popular Halloween costumes were not politically correct and kids wearing them would be denied candy. In nearly all such claims, details of the actual controversy were obfuscated by embellished elements framing students or schools as overly sensitive. While it was true some students of color expressed that the large number of Trump chalkings made them uneasy, most simply gathered to express their political distaste for the presidential candidate and his platforms on issues of race and religion. On 25 March 2016, Emory protest organizer Jonathan Peraza contacted us and linked to a 24 March 2016 statement about the controversy issued by involved students on campus: Subsequent media reports have tried to frame this case as one about “coddled” and “oversensitive” students; however, LET US BE CLEAR: We are not scared of the chalk. We are not mad about being politically challenged. We are rightfully angry because we also exercise our first amendment right to freedom of speech and there are people on this campus, and in this country, who as a result choose to threaten us and twist the truth to protect their own bigotry. Firstly, we are not asking that these students censor their politics, nor are we asking that administration chooses to intervene in student politics. Rather, what we are asking for is equality and equity -- we want a streamlined, consistent method of communication to deal with instances of unrest on Emory's campus. This means race, color and economic status should not determine whether or not the University needs to be prompted to send out a response of acknowledgement of events. Secondly, we ask the Emory University Student Body and individuals nationally to fight for our right of freedom of speech the way they have for Trump supporters.Sorry about that. The above is quotes from Snopes. There's the problem, right there. Somebody give the non-Trump supporters a damn piece of chalk so they can exercise their freedom of speech too. What??? Free chalk? Can't they buy their own $1 box of chalk. My tax dollars shpuldnt be subsidizing political chalk!! WTF is this world coming to? FTR in the stone ages when I went to college we had to bring our own damn chalk. These kids today are so spoiled!
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