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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 30, 2014 4:30:42 GMT
We had the very painful task of making a loved one give up the car keys permanently. It wasn't fun for any of us. At the end of the day, I ended up remembering those tough conversations when a friend wanted to drive after a few too many in my youth. I don't care what you say, I don't care if you're mad, I don't care if you hate me - you are not driving. In this case the person was on some very strong medication and per doctor's orders could not drive period. I'm not sure if your situation is easier or harder as your father can just not drive "sometimes." Good luck to you - it's really hard!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 4:36:33 GMT
Do you need to get over caring about your parents' safety and the safety of those around them? Ummmm, no. I think your sister needs to get her head out of her arse. Sorry to be so blunt.
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Post by monil on Jul 30, 2014 4:40:05 GMT
Hugs to the OP, that is a tough situation to be in.
And I have to add that wanting to be independent is a selfish reason to put others on the road in harm's way, regardless of your age. I say this because I have a family member that was seriously injured in a car accident because a man in his 60's was driving himself to the hospital instead of calling the ambulance when he started experiencing symptoms pretty indicative of a heart attack. Well, on the way there he had a heart attack and ran his truck into the side of the vehicle my cousin was in at close to 50 mph. So then there were two situations the paramedics were trying to work on when they arrived, my cousin and the man. My cousin is fine now but has scars on her face that will never go away.
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Post by cycworker on Jul 30, 2014 4:59:22 GMT
Whoa Elaine, settle down! The OP said that the nurse repeatedly told her father that he was not allowed to drive after eye surgery. She was angry at him for disregarding the nurse's orders and thereby putting other people's lives at risk. As I said, it was dangerous whether he is 83 or 23. The only reason I brought up my own situation is to show that regardless of a person's age, if they are told not to drive after surgery then they shouldn't bloody well be driving. Maybe him not following those orders is tied into his fear of losing his independence, I don't know. But he still should not have been driving. I have been through the scenario of an elderly relative who had to be told not to drive any more. I do understand how awful it is (and will be for me when the time comes) to lose your independence in that way. I'm not totally heartless thanks. Exactly! Elaine, in the case of the chest pains issue, I can see what you're saying. That totally fits in with the mortality argument. But cataracts? A normal day surgery procedure for which anyone, regardless of age, must have a driver to bring them home? GMAB. This case is not one of, 'Oh, you're too old to be safely driving.' I've seen that. A friend of mine went through an awful time when her Mom's Dr. pulled her license. But that is not the case here. If her dad is unable to realize that ANYONE who has surgery or a procedure that that involves anesthetic is unfit to drive, regardless of age, well... he's not as sharp as he seems. He was impaired. Had he been pulled over or caused an accident, he would likely have been charged. Doesn't matter if it's the 18 yr old who needs a sedative when their wisdom teeth are removed, or the 25 yr old having an endoscopy, the 30something having a colonoscopy (all me), the 50something person having chemo, or whatever procedure you can think of. It isn't about age. It's about being impaired due to the impact of the drugs they give you. And what WAS the hospital thinking? They should absolutely prevented him from driving. Here, they will not discharge you after these types of procedures until you have a driver to take you home. You must provide a name & contact info at sign in, and when you're safe to leave, they call the person and tell them you are ready to be picked up. Alternatively, you can be sent in a cab. But under no circumstances would an hospital allow the OP's dad to drive in this scenario. If he tried, security would be called. Sadly, though, OP, you may have to get over it for the sake of your own sanity. Frankly, I'd be tempted to tell Dad, "Fine Dad, do what you want. Drive after anesthesia. And don't come crying to me looking for help if and when you get caught, get pulled over, and really do lose your independence, as they take away your license due to your stupidity."
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Post by azredhead on Jul 30, 2014 5:15:16 GMT
I totally understand why you would be mad too..not for very long though. I would be probably be peeved at sister. Maybe she thought you were overreacting? I would be mad but gentle reminder your dad would be good. If he's still has his wits about him, maybe have a heart to heart with him and ask about how feels about stuff, driving, your mom, their health in general etc...
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jul 30, 2014 5:55:12 GMT
I can understand why you are worried, and the person who told you how to feel about it can't have a grasp on the seriousness of the situation.
The safety of the public at large is the main issue, not your parents independence, bluntly.
We were mightily relieved when my dear old Dad decided it was time to hang up his car kets for the last time. It did mean that we all had to pitch in and help with lifts, shopping etc, but we were happy to do so, and it was infinitely better than 'allowing' him to continue to drive, and the possible consequences.
You are going to probably have some difficult conversations, and will most likely have to help out more, but that is infinitely preferable than having them involved in an accident.
Can you speak to their GP?
I hope you can resolve this situation.
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Post by fruitysuet on Jul 30, 2014 6:55:37 GMT
Well, I agree that you're right to be pissed off-- I would be, too. But what will continuing to be mad at them get you, other than high blood pressure? It doesn't sound like they're going to change their behavior. So I think my advice might also be to "get over it," but for your sake, not theirs. I agree with that. Are they generally proud and don't like to accept help but like to feel they can look after themselves? If it's in normal character for them to do such a thing you need to just take some deep breaths and let them get on with it.
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Post by gar on Jul 30, 2014 7:36:04 GMT
While I agree it was a dangerous thing for your Dad to do, you can't change it now however angry you are so in that sense, maybe you need to let it go. We are facing the same thing with my MIL who has vision problems. None of us live near enough to help on a daily basis but thankfully she can afford to get cabs when necessary - it's just a case of making her do that!
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Post by wellway on Jul 30, 2014 8:26:19 GMT
I can understand your frustration. There is a difference between trying to be independent and being stupid/dangerous. Driving against doctor's instructions comes into the stupid/dangerous category.
Perhaps take another angle with him, I am assuming that if there had been an accident the insurance company might void his cover as he was driving against doctor's orders. This would leave him personally liable for costs and damages and put his home and savings at risk. Is the drive home worth that?
I am also surprised he could leave the hospital without a driver to take him home.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 30, 2014 11:33:29 GMT
I think your sister would rather blow off this serious issue rather than deal with it. Telling you to get over it shows she doesn't have the intellectual capacity to understand that not only are your parents a danger to themselves - they are a danger to others.
You need to sit down with your mom & dad and have the conversation. It is hard to give up your independence . I remember my dad telling me when he had to take the car keys away from my grand dad. He then sold grandpa's green Ford Torino.
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Post by eleezybeth on Jul 30, 2014 11:48:10 GMT
I get your frustration. I just scream silently as my mom goes through this cycle of life where she reverts into a petulant teenager who knows everything and has no concerns about anybody else. She goes off on rampages about the entitlement of teenagers. I just remind her to look in the mirror.
I have so many examples of her doing not what she was told. Finally, I had enough and told her if she did it again, I'd go to the courts to have her license revoked. She knows I will do it too. When she had her knee replaced she told me that she was proud of herself because she "let" my brother come get her. She has no (!!!!) tolerance for pain meds and certainly doesn't need to be driving while hopped up on pain meds she has zero tolerance for. She lost a friend to a drunk driver, even pointing out she is just as bad driving after surgery, she doesn't get it. I know it is about facing all the end of life things, but it is dangerous!!
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Post by MerryMom on Jul 30, 2014 12:05:55 GMT
No, you shouldn't get over it, ie, not being concerned, expressing your concern.
But...
if your reaction is over the top, goes on and on and on and on and on and on...never ending never ending never ending... in light of the fact that NOTHING can undo what they already did...but you won't stop talking and talking and talking and talking about it...in an endless loop of rage and anger and rage and anger...
...Then yes, you need to "let it go" if you are offended by the phrase "get over it".
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Post by Peamac on Jul 30, 2014 12:29:47 GMT
Can you (and your siblings) tell your parents that the next time they try something like this, you will take away their car keys? There have been several times in recent years that someone has had a heart attack or other health issue while driving and have injured or killed others.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 30, 2014 12:57:01 GMT
I live in a town where there is a very large retirement community. I've been here over 25 years.
Because we have a high number of seniors driving in our community, we have a high rate of accidents. A few weeks ago a man in his 80's struck and killed a women in her 70's. That was the worst case but there are accidents all the time and it has become clear that people are driving way beyond their capacity to be able to safely do so.
My state does not require that after a certain age you be retested for a drivers license but I think it would be a good idea.
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Post by lillieleigh on Jul 30, 2014 13:06:51 GMT
I think a family meeting with all of your siblings and your parents is in order. Their behavior is dangerous and foolish. Is it any way possible that there is someone your parents would listen to?I had cataract surgery and was allowed to drive after my first check up. My doctor makes you wait at least two weeks before the other eye is done.I will be 70 in December.
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Post by shevy on Jul 30, 2014 13:29:41 GMT
My Grandma was the same way for a long time. It is about giving up independence and feeling like they are a burdon on those around them. I'd imagine it's hard when roles switch and your kids start parenting you.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 30, 2014 13:53:55 GMT
I understand why you are upset. AND I think you are WAY underestimating how hard it is for your parents, especially your dad (who is sharp as a tack), to be dependent on you (or others) for help with basic things like driving. To him, it is one HUGE step closer to the grave to admit he needs help driving places. I know that it is frustrating and angry-making for you to see this, but it is in some ways gut-wrenching terrifying (confronting his own impending death) for him to be in this situation. Please try to have some compassion for how awful it is to lose your independence as a senior citizen who knows it will only get worse, not better... ^^^. This. I get your point, but I think that Elaine hit the nail on the head.
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Post by tuva42 on Jul 30, 2014 14:05:26 GMT
I don't think you should let this go. I think your parents need to understand that they didn't just put themselves in danger but every other person on the road. They are acting very irresponsibly.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 30, 2014 14:13:06 GMT
I don't mean to imply that the OP's parents should have been driving-they shouldn't have been. But I hope that she is able to have some empathy for their situation and not stay mad at them for long.
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Post by elaine on Jul 30, 2014 14:15:35 GMT
I don't mean to imply that the OP's parents should have been driving-they shouldn't have been. But I hope that she is able to have some empathy for their situation and not stay mad at them for long.
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Post by traceys on Jul 30, 2014 14:42:43 GMT
I understand why you are upset. AND I think you are WAY underestimating how hard it is for your parents, especially your dad (who is sharp as a tack), to be dependent on you (or others) for help with basic things like driving. To him, it is one HUGE step closer to the grave to admit he needs help driving places. I know that it is frustrating and angry-making for you to see this, but it is in some ways gut-wrenching terrifying (confronting his own impending death) for him to be in this situation. Please try to have some compassion for how awful it is to lose your independence as a senior citizen who knows it will only get worse, not better... This, times 100. I also understand your aggravation. But for my dad, once his ability to drive was gone, his health deteriorated at warp speed. My dad had some issues that yours doesn't....he had been diagnosed with dementia and had macular degeneration, but for a couple of years both of those things had been pretty mild and not a big issue. Once his macular degeneration went "wet" however, it was only a very short time before he came into the house and laid down his car keys, telling my mom that he knew he couldn't drive anymore. (We never knew what event caused this....we suspect a close call.) After that, the dementia accelerated rapidly. They went from pretty independent living to living with me and my dad thinking there were people in the house who weren't there within six months. It was almost as if losing that independence of being able to take himself where he wanted to go just flipped a switch in him. That may be going on with your dad a little bit...clinging to that expression of independence. I don't think there is anything wrong with you expressing your concerns to your parents about them driving when the doctor has said not to, and I hate it when someone tells me what I "need" to do, but I would encourage you to try to be gentle.
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Post by julieb on Jul 30, 2014 19:25:43 GMT
I drove them home from the surgery center. The driving incident was for the f/u appointment the next day. Nurse and dr. told them not to drive to the f/u appt.
FOLLOW UP: Today my parents had cataract surgery on their other eye. My sister took them and she just stopped here. She said their f/u appt. is tomorrow at 10:30 a.m. She told my parents she would pick them up and my Dad said they will be ready. He said "Julie is already very upset with us and we don't want her more upset". I know I still need to talk with them. They live half the year in Arizona so it is hard to keep an eye on them.
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Post by sues on Jul 30, 2014 19:48:01 GMT
This particular incident really has nothing to do with him losing his independence, it is about disregarding doctors orders and being a hazard to other road users.
I tend to agree with this. When you've had a procedure and a medical professional has told you repeatedly that you cannot drive- you don't drive. Period. No matter how old you are. Many of us have been in this position. It sucks to lean on other people, sure. But it's not just about you- it's about the safety of other people as well.
If this was the OP nagging them about everyday driving, to the grocery store or a regular dr. appt. and there was resistance- I'd agree, it's about aging and a loss of independence. But to disregard the instructions of a medical professional after a procedure that impairs your vision? That's flat out careless and reckless. The OP has every right to be upset...and further upset by being told to 'get over it'.
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Post by Sam on Jul 30, 2014 20:06:58 GMT
I'm not in the best of moods, so apologise for that BUT your sister is an idiot and your DH isn't helping, even though he may think he is. On the other hand, I did kind of chuckle at the thought of two one eyed bandits driving around your area!
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