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Post by GiantsFan on Apr 1, 2016 2:32:02 GMT
I didn't jump on the DNA train last fall. But since you all have been posting I told DH that when they go on sale, we're doing it. Hahaha. And he's on board.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 1, 2016 2:46:19 GMT
Wow!!! Now I want to get tested. My mom says she is 1/4 NA, as her grandmother was 100% NA. So I'm supposed to be 1/8 NA. But seriously, if you ever saw me you would never ever think that. Except my cheekbones. My mom on the other hand, looks Native American. But after reading all your stories I want to know for sure!
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Post by kellybelly77 on Apr 1, 2016 2:56:13 GMT
Wow!!! Now I want to get tested. My mom says she is 1/4 NA, as her grandmother was 100% NA. So I'm supposed to be 1/8 NA. But seriously, if you ever saw me you would never ever think that. Except my cheekbones. My mom on the other hand, looks Native American. But after reading all your stories I want to know for sure! Dh was supposed to be 1/8 from his maternal side and less than that on his paternal side. But nope!! I expected to see about 15% or so! And the Asian?!?! Totally threw me off. He has called his moms cousin and his maternal grandmas cousin to tell them and they were both shocked! It'll be interesting to see if we can get our hands on the family tree a relative put together that supposedly shows all this.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 1, 2016 3:43:43 GMT
I'm sure the DNA tests are bringing all kinds of lies out into the open! Big hugs to all of you who are having your sense of self being shaken up. I've found 99.9% of the trees I've looked at on ancestry or any of the other sites are crap. I, on the other hand, I'm a bit stunned by how close the thousands of trees I've looked at for myself, my husband and his step-mother's families are to the truth. It is so interesting to see what comes up from research and DNA - like a giant jigsaw puzzle! Ain't that the truth! While so many of you are finding that you have been told lies your whole life, everything I've been checking is showing how much truth I was told my whole life! Including the info I've found from online trees. I have to admit that it's a fantastic feeling to find distant cousins on both my mom and dad's sides matching up DNA wise just exactly as expected. (Imagine me doing a giant air pump motion with my arm.)
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Post by lisacharlotte on Apr 1, 2016 3:45:54 GMT
You'd never know I had any NA. I look like my mom, it's all Eisenzimmer. My dad however could pass as NA or Hispanic. I did inherit the lack of wisdom teeth which I was quite happy about.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 1, 2016 3:57:11 GMT
If you are 90% British, your mom almost certainly isn't mostly German genetically. She may have been born to people living in Germany, but someone in the not all-too-distant family tree on her side was British too. There really isn't any 100% German DNA. In fact, the Ancestry adds showing the guy who thought he was German turning out to be Scottish may be very misleading. Germany was plagued with famines and war for a long, long, long time. The population was decimated to the point where people of other nations were needed to populate it. Including the Scots! It's not unheard of to have known German DNA come back highly British. Mostly, though, you're just given a very broad range of where different percentages of your DNA came from. The test will continue to be better able to identify peoples' origins as more people sign up. The test is now available in something like 27-29 countries as of March.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 1, 2016 4:05:35 GMT
You'd never know I had any NA. I look like my mom, it's all Eisenzimmer. My dad however could pass as NA or Hispanic. I did inherit the lack of wisdom teeth which I was quite happy about. I didn't make any wisdom teeth either. I even gave wisdom teeth as an example of vestiges on a high school biology test knowing I'd get the answer marked wrong, but it was worth it for the laugh it caused in class.
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Post by MorellisCupcake on Apr 1, 2016 4:06:46 GMT
DH and I both did the Ancestry one and sent them back. It's only been a week but I'm already stalking the site to get the info back.
My family tree, at least on my dad's side, is pretty detailed. Lots of Scotland, all in one area, back to the 1600s. I just want scientific proof that it's right. My mom's side is Swedish for her father and Finn for her mother, but it's a little harder to research.
So from what I know, Scotland, Ireland, Sweden and Finland have all trickled down to me - no NA at all. I'm really hoping it's shaken up somehow - one generation did dip down into North Dakota from Canada, so who knows? I would LOVE something shocking to happen.
DH's is horrible. Our last name is made up somehow.. we thought it went from Slovenian to Italian during World War II, which has been the story he heard his whole life, and now in researching it, that might not be true. (Surprise). No one seems to remember much beyond they were all farmers from Ljubljana. I'm hoping for some genetic family to pop up there to help us find some more information for the kids.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 1, 2016 4:07:03 GMT
You'd never know I had any NA. I look like my mom, it's all Eisenzimmer. My dad however could pass as NA or Hispanic. I did inherit the lack of wisdom teeth which I was quite happy about. Funny you should mention the no wisdom teeth thing. So my dad, who I'm pretty sure has 0 Native American blood in him, has no wisdom teeth. My mom, who is supposed to be 1/4 NA had 3 or 4. Thankfully, I also have no wisdom teeth. My brother had 2 wisdom teeth. Is this a trait common to Native Americans? Also, my husband who as far as we know is not NA, also has zero wisdom teeth. We are soooo curious about whether or not our kids will have them! Hopefully they will have none just like us. Genetics is so fun and interesting isn't it?!?
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Post by pjaye on Apr 1, 2016 4:12:41 GMT
A slight aside, my Mother and I were watching an episode of "Who Do You Think You Are?" the other day and we were discussing when/if they would start to incorporate DNA tests in the show. They did in one Australian episode where the actress's father wasn't sure if he was the biological son of his mother's husband...it turned out that he wasn't so then they went looking for his bio-dad.
There was also one British episode with Alistair McGowan who genuinely believed he was of Scottish decent and his father denied he was Indian...turns out his dad was born in Calcutta and that his ancestry was Irish. It would be interesting to add the DNA information into the show and might well lead them down different paths than just the written records. They heavily push the DNA test in the commercials during the show, makes me wonder why they aren't using it yet.
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Post by elaine on Apr 1, 2016 4:14:23 GMT
If you are 90% British, your mom almost certainly isn't mostly German genetically. She may have been born to people living in Germany, but someone in the not all-too-distant family tree on her side was British too. There really isn't any 100% German DNA. In fact, the Ancestry adds showing the guy who thought he was German turning out to be Scottish may be very misleading. Germany was plagued with famines and war for a long, long, long time. The population was decimated to the point where people of other nations were needed to populate it. Including the Scots! It's not unheard of to have known German DNA come back highly British. Mostly, though, you're just given a very broad range of where different percentages of your DNA came from. The test will continue to be better able to identify peoples' origins as more people sign up. The test is now available in something like 27-29 countries as of March. I think it becomes important to sort out DNA, which doesn't change simply because you move to a different country, from cultural heritage. I think that it is easy to confuse or mix the two. That guy may certainly have had ancestors who lived in Germany and were culturally German, but carrying Scottish DNA, because that is where they moved from. Someone, down his family tree DID come from Scotland down to Germany. Now, that/those persons may have given up all cultural ties to Scotland, but it doesn't negate the fact that they immigrated from there and passed on their DNA. So, I guess I don't find it misleading because the Scottish part would be true, at a DNA level, even if at a cultural level there were strong German influences. I have done my Ancestry.com test, and like you, there were no surprises - 55% European Jewish, 39% Great Britain, and the rest (6%) from Western Europe and the Iberian Peninsula.
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Post by theshyone on Apr 1, 2016 4:15:31 GMT
My brother had his DNA tested because his wife thought she was part NA. Turns out my brother is 1/8 NA We think we have traced it to Great Grandpa who had been adopted and raised in England. I'd always been very interested in Native Americans - mostly the Southeast tribes. Kind of a neat surprise! Why would your Brothers wife test your brother if she thought she was NA?
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Post by pjaye on Apr 1, 2016 4:18:55 GMT
Why would your Brothers wife test your brother if she thought she was NA? I read it as just a typo, the OP accidentally put 'she' instead of 'he' the wife probably wanted to know if their children might have NA DNA too.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 1, 2016 4:21:40 GMT
There really isn't any 100% German DNA. In fact, the Ancestry adds showing the guy who thought he was German turning out to be Scottish may be very misleading. Germany was plagued with famines and war for a long, long, long time. The population was decimated to the point where people of other nations were needed to populate it. Including the Scots! It's not unheard of to have known German DNA come back highly British. Mostly, though, you're just given a very broad range of where different percentages of your DNA came from. The test will continue to be better able to identify peoples' origins as more people sign up. The test is now available in something like 27-29 countries as of March. I think it becomes important to sort out DNA, which doesn't change simply because you move to a different country, from cultural heritage. I think that it is easy to confuse or mix the two. That guy may certainly have had ancestors who lived in Germany and were culturally German, but carrying Scottish DNA, because that is where they moved from. Someone, down his family tree DID come from Scotland down to Germany. Now, that/those persons may have given up all cultural ties to Scotland, but it doesn't negate the fact that they immigrated from there and passed on their DNA. So, I guess I don't find it misleading because the Scottish part would be true, at a DNA level, even if at a cultural level there were strong German influences. I have done my Ancestry.com test, and like you, there were no surprises - 55% European Jewish, 39% Great Britain, and the rest (6%) from Western Europe and the Iberian Peninsula. My test and the matching test of a zillion or so 5th-8th cousins show trace Eastern Jewish. I'm thinkin'.... eh.... maybe from the area, but actually Jewish? I really have my doubts. Although I think my haplotype is considered to have developed in that more eastern region so maybe that explains it. ? I have a great niece who is 1/4 Jewish. 1/4 Phillipinno. And 1/2 Western European Mutt. I'm tempted to get her tested just to see half the map light up from her results.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 1, 2016 4:27:14 GMT
A slight aside, my Mother and I were watching an episode of "Who Do You Think You Are?" the other day and we were discussing when/if they would start to incorporate DNA tests in the show. They did in one Australian episode where the actress's father wasn't sure if he was the biological son of his mother's husband...it turned out that he wasn't so then they went looking for his bio-dad. There was also one British episode with Alistair McGowan who genuinely believed he was of Scottish decent and his father denied he was Indian...turns out his dad was born in Calcutta and that his ancestry was Irish. It would be interesting to add the DNA information into the show and might well lead them down different paths than just the written records. They heavily push the DNA test in the commercials during the show, makes me wonder why they aren't using it yet. The PBS show Finding Your Roots does use DNA.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 1, 2016 4:29:04 GMT
You'd never know I had any NA. I look like my mom, it's all Eisenzimmer. My dad however could pass as NA or Hispanic. I did inherit the lack of wisdom teeth which I was quite happy about. Funny you should mention the no wisdom teeth thing. So my dad, who I'm pretty sure has 0 Native American blood in him, has no wisdom teeth. My mom, who is supposed to be 1/4 NA had 3 or 4. Thankfully, I also have no wisdom teeth. My brother had 2 wisdom teeth. Is this a trait common to Native Americans? Also, my husband who as far as we know is not NA, also has zero wisdom teeth. We are soooo curious about whether or not our kids will have them! Hopefully they will have none just like us. Genetics is so fun and interesting isn't it?!? I have 0.0000000% NA DNA, so it can't be just a NA trait.
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Post by Grom Pea on Apr 1, 2016 4:54:05 GMT
My dh who has always described himself as a European mutt had 1% Indian and 1% Melanisian, so there are often really interesting surprises. His theory is that a Melanisian made it to India and had a child and that child came to Europe and had children.
I have a 5% percent of Polynesian from both parents, which I find odd, my theory is that Polynesian people are are related to the people I came from and not that my Polynesian ancestors came to China and went back to Polynesia, but that's just a theory.
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Post by pjaye on Apr 1, 2016 5:00:32 GMT
I have done my Ancestry.com test, and like you, there were no surprises - 55% European Jewish, 39% Great Britain, and the rest (6%) from Western Europe and the Iberian Peninsula I think you might have explained this before, but I still don't quite understand how DNA can say you are Jewish? According to FTDNA (the site I went through): They are saying it isn't definable through DNA but that your results and who you are DNA related to to will give clues if you are Jewish. Therefore I don't quite understand the Ancestry results as being "Jewish" as a part of DNA....or have they already taken it one step further and looked at your other matches and determined it from that?
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Post by dreamer on Apr 1, 2016 5:04:17 GMT
I wouldn't write it off completely. Take this for what it is worth.
My DD has a friend who was adopted. She knows nothing about her parents. she decides to do DNA. Guess what! They contact her saying we need some help with your line!! Can you tell us where your parents are from! Holy smokes.
So so what does that mean? Why couldn't they tell this woman her background?
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 1, 2016 5:06:48 GMT
I have done my Ancestry.com test, and like you, there were no surprises - 55% European Jewish, 39% Great Britain, and the rest (6%) from Western Europe and the Iberian Peninsula I think you might have explained this before, but I still don't quite understand how DNA can say you are Jewish? According to FTDNA (the site I went through): They are saying it isn't definable through DNA but that your results and who you are DNA related to to will give clues if you are Jewish. Therefore I don't quite understand the Ancestry results as being "Jewish" as a part of DNA....or have they already taken it one step further and looked at your other matches and determined it from that? Good question! I know that there are some specific Jewish populations that are testable for that population. But in general? I don't know either.
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Post by Grom Pea on Apr 1, 2016 5:12:45 GMT
I have done my Ancestry.com test, and like you, there were no surprises - 55% European Jewish, 39% Great Britain, and the rest (6%) from Western Europe and the Iberian Peninsula I think you might have explained this before, but I still don't quite understand how DNA can say you are Jewish? According to FTDNA (the site I went through): They are saying it isn't definable through DNA but that your results and who you are DNA related to to will give clues if you are Jewish. Therefore I don't quite understand the Ancestry results as being "Jewish" as a part of DNA....or have they already taken it one step further and looked at your other matches and determined it from that? There are ethnic Jews, but they are a tiny percentage of Jewish people, Ashkenazi Jews. I remembered this because when I had DNA testing for genetic issues when I was pregnant, that is one group that they test for something specific.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Apr 1, 2016 5:14:37 GMT
SO...I am adopted and have become fascinated with the idea of being able to know my ancestry. But I have no interest in being connected to birth relatives at all.
Is there a way to do that?
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Post by pjaye on Apr 1, 2016 5:26:10 GMT
I remembered this because when I had DNA testing for genetic issues when I was pregnant, that is one group that they test for something specific. I think that's the test for Tay–Sachs which is an autosomal recessive genetic disorder which is specifically linked to the Ashkenazi Jewish population. I get that if you are raised in a Jewish family and have Jewish cultural history then you obviously know that about yourself already and therefore you & your partner (if they are Jewish too) would get tested for the specific gene if you were planning a pregnancy...and it would either show that you have it or that you don't. What I don't get is that how one DNA site can say it's a religion and there are no genetic markers, yet another site gives out results saying people are Jewish, surely it's scientifically one or the other and they should both be claiming the exact same thing? That's why I think it's confusing.
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Post by marykate on Apr 1, 2016 5:29:56 GMT
It was all a myth. Most common myth in DNA, in fact. Yep. Undocumented (and completely unfounded) claims of Native American ancestry are extremely common in North American families. We had a similar myth in my family. My father's maternal grandmother Bridget K. was apparently "adopted," and the story was that Bridget K., despite her Irish name, had come from a Native Canadian background and had then been adopted into an Irish Canadian family. There was absolutely no evidence to support this story, btw; it was conjecture/fabrication/romantic projection...call it what you will. I spent several years researching my dad's family tree, and managed to trace Bridget's father back to County Galway; and Bridget's mother back to County Cavan. So the Irishly-named Bridget was in fact Irish in origin, and not Native Canadian at all. And she hadn't really been "adopted" in a modern sense. Her mother (a Famine emigrant from Ireland) had died in childbirth, and the motherless infant Bridget was then informally "adopted" (there was no formal, legal adoption in Ontario at the time) and raised by her maternal aunt Margaret. When Bridget grew up to marry the son of her maternal aunt Margaret, the couple had to obtain a special dispensation from Rome, because Bridget was in fact marrying her own first cousin! (which required, and still requires, a special dispensation for Catholics). At the time of her marriage, there was no real mystery as to her origins: everybody knew who she was, and how she was related (first cousin!) to her husband. I believe the Native ancestry story developed later, because of some discomfort/shame about the first-cousin marriage. Since Bridget, motherless from birth because of her mother's untimely death from childbirth, had sort of been "adopted" (but within the family, and by her own maternal aunt), why not pretend that she had come from well outside the family and was not related by blood at all?... this is how these stories begin, I believe, and they then get embroidered and exaggerated and take on the status of family history "truths."
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Post by Grom Pea on Apr 1, 2016 6:02:48 GMT
I remembered this because when I had DNA testing for genetic issues when I was pregnant, that is one group that they test for something specific. I think that's the test for Tay–Sachs which is an autosomal recessive genetic disorder which is specifically linked to the Ashkenazi Jewish population. I get that if you are raised in a Jewish family and have Jewish cultural history then you obviously know that about yourself already and therefore you & your partner (if they are Jewish too) would get tested for the specific gene if you were planning a pregnancy...and it would either show that you have it or that you don't. What I don't get is that how one DNA site can say it's a religion and there are no genetic markers, yet another site gives out results saying people are Jewish, surely it's scientifically one or the other and they should both be claiming the exact same thing? That's why I think it's confusing. Well I think it's confusing because it's both, there are ethnic Jews but there is also the religion, which you could convert to. If you were not ethically Jewish but converted to Judaism and married someone who was also religiously Jewish but not ethically Jewish, then no dna would label your offspring as Jewish, I'm pretty sure it's both an ethnicity and a religion. I think the one site that claims is only a religion doesn't have enough data from people of that ethnicity to really clearly be be able to distinguish them.
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Post by elaine on Apr 1, 2016 11:20:55 GMT
I think that's the test for Tay–Sachs which is an autosomal recessive genetic disorder which is specifically linked to the Ashkenazi Jewish population. I get that if you are raised in a Jewish family and have Jewish cultural history then you obviously know that about yourself already and therefore you & your partner (if they are Jewish too) would get tested for the specific gene if you were planning a pregnancy...and it would either show that you have it or that you don't. What I don't get is that how one DNA site can say it's a religion and there are no genetic markers, yet another site gives out results saying people are Jewish, surely it's scientifically one or the other and they should both be claiming the exact same thing? That's why I think it's confusing. Well I think it's confusing because it's both, there are ethnic Jews but there is also the religion, which you could convert to. If you were not ethically Jewish but converted to Judaism and married someone who was also religiously Jewish but not ethically Jewish, then no dna would label your offspring as Jewish, I'm pretty sure it's both an ethnicity and a religion. I think the one site that claims is only a religion doesn't have enough data from people of that ethnicity to really clearly be be able to distinguish them. Yes. I know that my father's side were Ashkenazi Jews from the area of Europe that has been labeled Austria/Hungary. For centuries there wasn't a lot of breeding outside the community, Jews lived in separate villages/communities (shtetls) and many people didn't convert to such a persecuted religion. Even when immigrating to the US, they lived in communities together - there are Jewish neighborhoods in NYC, Cleveland (where my ancestors moved to), Chicago, etc. Most US cities have neighborhoods that were once pretty much exclusively "Jewish" neighborhoods. There evidently ARE DNA markers for this group - it may even be combinations of types of genes. I don't know specifically what they are, because I'm not a genetic analyst, but know that there is an ethnic component to many Jews. I know that lucyg's results from Ancestry have a much larger percentage of European Jew - again this means Ashkenazic Jews as opposed to Sephardic Jews which are from a different region of the world. But since Jews historically lived separately, and it is really only in the past century that they have integrated into communities at large, it is no surprise to me that there are DNA markers. Hopefully, Lucy will jump in here too. Here are my results:
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Post by Nanner on Apr 1, 2016 12:06:39 GMT
I just did my test last evening and will get it mailed off this weekend. Can't wait to see if the results line up with what I have determined over the years from my genealogy research. If it's correct, I should be British, Scottish and Irish (I assume those all come out as the same) and German.
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Post by Country Ham on Apr 1, 2016 12:25:10 GMT
That you both know that his official birth certificate is incorrect is an example of why DNA testing is so fascinating and important. Someone a few generations removed will have no idea and think that the birth certificate must be accurate. And then wonder if the company doing the DNA test made a mistake. Given social mores and taboos throughout the ages, people lie about their sexual liaisons that result in children for a variety of reasons. Science trumps oral history once again. See I have no desire to disprove oral history that formed my childhood. For someone trying to claim financial benefits from their ethnic background/paternity testing it would be important. I personally have no interest in my family tree beyond my great grandparents. Fascinating I get, important I waffle on because I am not sure the importance of proving that great great great gramma really wasn't 50% a certain ethnicity as once though. I am very much a live in the moment person.
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Post by melanell on Apr 1, 2016 12:32:16 GMT
You'd never know I had any NA. I look like my mom, it's all Eisenzimmer. My dad however could pass as NA or Hispanic. I did inherit the lack of wisdom teeth which I was quite happy about. I didn't make any wisdom teeth either. I even gave wisdom teeth as an example of vestiges on a high school biology test knowing I'd get the answer marked wrong, but it was worth it for the laugh it caused in class. I'm in the "No Wisdom Teeth" Club, too. Well, according to my dentist, I have a "baby wisdom tooth", about 1/4 the size it should be, that will likely never see the light of day. When my son learned that people often have their wisdom teeth removed, he started hoping he wouldn't have any, either, but alas, he has all 4 in there. The crazy thing is that I have a ton of room in my mouth. Seriously, there is more than enough room at the back of my mouth for wisdom teeth to comfortably exist, plus I have space between my other teeth. So I could have probably accommodated extra teeth and instead I didn't make enough.
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