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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 1, 2016 20:47:42 GMT
I was surprised ancestry.com wouldn't have some type of algorithm to kick out incorrect or impossible links?! would be a good add on site if someone could code it! If you enter the info on Family Tree Maker, it will give you a warning that you are attempting the impossible. Also, the recent upgrades at Ancestry also give you a similar warning if you are entering the info by hand. Neither will "kick out" the info. For one thing, dates are easily transposed. It's a very, very, very easily made mistake. Everything else about the person could be correct, so tossing them out would be a terrible mistake. Secondly, the availability of modern technology has made the reality of being born after your mother, father, or both possible. You have to be able to allow people to connect to their true parents or the whole thing is useless. When this happens in trees I'm checking, I will typically either leave that person out and go no further back on that source, or I'll add them in and leave the date out. Once in a blue moon I'll let the wrong date stand just to see what else shakes out on my working, private, tree.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 1, 2016 20:54:07 GMT
Not all Italians have olive skin. My mother's family is overwhelmingly Italian, and many of them are quite fair, even the ones born in Italy. I have very fair olive skin. I can see it. My mother is more olive, my father was more red, but people throughout my life have told me I'm crazy and people here in the deep south just plain laugh out loud straight to my face if it comes up. And what does my DNA show? Yep. You got it. I have DNA that's more typically darker olive skin.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 1, 2016 21:03:59 GMT
If you are 90% British, your mom almost certainly isn't mostly German genetically. She may have been born to people living in Germany, but someone in the not all-too-distant family tree on her side was British too. That makes sense. That a family could assume they are German because their family may have lived in Germany for a couple generations. But perhaps that family immigrated to Germany from another country. I hope I am understanding this correctly! I have not done a DNA test because they are way too expensive for our budget, but it would be fun to have it done! A typical German family does include people that came from some other country. That's the problem with trying to locate a "German gene." The area now known as Germany has been invaded over and over and over. The native populations were decimated through war, famine, and even emigration long before WWI and WWII, which only destroyed the country more. The huge German wave of immigrants to this country actually included people from the surrounding area, like Switzerland and Prussia. The result is that DNA tests do not come back saying that you are German like they do saying that you are Irish or from an area of Africa. You really have to study the migration of people to put DNA into any meaningful context.
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Post by woodysbetty on Apr 1, 2016 21:05:28 GMT
I saw the post that talked about the test kits...but does anyone have a favorite? I saw on some sites that the customer felt the response was to generic...eastern european rather than a specific origin....
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 1, 2016 21:44:48 GMT
I can't decide if it's worth finding out my ancestry. I grew up in the LDS church where family history is a big deal. My sister has binders full of information I also have an aunt who is heavily involved in research. There's apparently some king that is a relative. I have a pretty good idea of where I'm from except for some mysterious great great something grandfather who disappeared and no one knew much about his history. If the DNA proves the stories wrong, I wouldn't really care. I can't say I'm attached to being part of any group. I already know there was polygamy, can't get any weirder than that!
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Post by Grom Pea on Apr 1, 2016 21:52:36 GMT
I can't decide if it's worth finding out my ancestry. I grew up in the LDS church where family history is a big deal. My sister has binders full of information I also have an aunt who is heavily involved in research. There's apparently some king that is a relative. I have a pretty good idea of where I'm from except for some mysterious great great something grandfather who disappeared and no one knew much about his history. If the DNA proves the stories wrong, I wouldn't really care. I can't say I'm attached to being part of any group. I already know there was polygamy, can't get any weirder than that! I don't think it's that specific, unless they had that king's dna on file, there's not going to be a link shown. So unfortunately you're not going to get to trace your dna to king tut etc. It's really only for linking to those who have taken the test and possibly linking your family trees. Heck my own parents showed up as close relatives but not tagged as my parents.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 1, 2016 21:54:49 GMT
I saw the post that talked about the test kits...but does anyone have a favorite? I saw on some sites that the customer felt the response was to generic...eastern european rather than a specific origin.... Ancestry is one of the three most highly rated that are widely available. If you're doing much work through Ancestry, it may be the most convenient. It was for me and that's why I chose them. If you are Eastern European, your ancestry may come out pretty generalized to that region. For now, anyway. Like I said, they are having an enormous number of new people testing and they will continue to be able to refine the results they can give you based on these new people.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 1, 2016 22:27:34 GMT
I can't decide if it's worth finding out my ancestry. I grew up in the LDS church where family history is a big deal. My sister has binders full of information I also have an aunt who is heavily involved in research. There's apparently some king that is a relative. I have a pretty good idea of where I'm from except for some mysterious great great something grandfather who disappeared and no one knew much about his history. If the DNA proves the stories wrong, I wouldn't really care. I can't say I'm attached to being part of any group. I already know there was polygamy, can't get any weirder than that! I don't think it's that specific, unless they had that king's dna on file, there's not going to be a link shown. So unfortunately you're not going to get to trace your dna to king tut etc. It's really only for linking to those who have taken the test and possibly linking your family trees. Heck my own parents showed up as close relatives but not tagged as my parents. Sorry, I wasn't more clear in my post. I know the results just give a percentage of different types of DNA. I meant if the story about being related to the King wasn't true, I wouldn't be devastated or lose any sense of my self.
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Post by librarylady on Apr 1, 2016 23:41:23 GMT
See I have no desire to disprove oral history that formed my childhood. For someone trying to claim financial benefits from their ethnic background/paternity testing it would be important. I personally have no interest in my family tree beyond my great grandparents. Fascinating I get, important I waffle on because I am not sure the importance of proving that great great great gramma really wasn't 50% a certain ethnicity as once though. I am very much a live in the moment person. But in her husband's case the birth certificate doesn't even match the oral history: and when some a generation or two people don't have someone relating the details, an important piece of the family history - that the man who raised her husband WAS actually his father, even though the birth certificate claims he wasn't the father - will be lost. Is is possible for the husband to submit papers to correct the birth certificate? It will surely cost something, but I would not think it would be an outrageous amount. ...just to give correct date and perhaps make the father feel he has some "legitimate" claim to the son.
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Post by librarylady on Apr 2, 2016 0:05:03 GMT
My husband had his DNA done probably 10 years ago. We used Family Tree DNA. We had seen a TV show about the human genome (?) project and this company was connected to that. His origins were what we expected. However it goes back several generations and we learned that perhaps 10 generations ago he had some ancestors from the area we now call the Middle East.
With Family Tree DNA, you can agree to let others know your name and email or not. We have received several emails over the years asking a few things.
I think my husband was disappointed as he thought they would provide the family tree (an idea which is totally impossible).
From time to time I think about having mine done but so far have not.
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Post by librarylady on Apr 2, 2016 0:10:37 GMT
Side comments:
A friend knew she was adopted and wanted to find her birth mother because of curiosity--no more, no less. Her brother was also adopted. Both adoptions were handled by an agency in the Houston area. When she asked the agency, she was refused. A few years went by and she asked again--no data available.
Then she did Ancestry DNA and was linked to names that were supposed to be her sisters. After she and the women talked, she asked the agency again and was refused. She then said, "Why did you give my brother his info, but won't give mine?" When they learned she was his sister, then they gave her the info.
The story has a happy ending. Her bio mother is dead as well as her adopted mother. But, she and her sisters (one full sister, others are half sisters) are enjoying getting to be family.
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Post by librarylady on Apr 2, 2016 0:13:04 GMT
Regarding NA DNA and so many false stories about having NA blood...........
I think some old stories are just the romantic notion of "I am Indian!!"
Recent stories: (cynical me) I suspect some are hoping to be available for the free health care some tribes provide, or to share in the oil or casino money that some tribes have.
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Post by kellybelly77 on Apr 2, 2016 0:28:37 GMT
Something that hasn't been mentioned here yet concerning identifying kin when searching your Ancestry DNA results is their "Shared Match" feature. So many people haven't uploaded trees to Ancestry (I haven't either) which makes it difficult to see what line you might be connected to, or they've chosen to keep their trees private. Using "Shared Match" though might give you clues to identify shared lines. This feature doesn't work for Distant cousins but works on closer relationships. If you go to a particular person's results (whether they have a public tree or not) then click shared match it will show you other users who share kinship with you and this person. I have worked with my DNA results extensively and using the note feature have left notes identifying the names of all those I am related to in every tree I can. I also "star" these identified users. So... when I use shared match I quite often can easily see the relationships of the matches shown because of my notes leading me to possibly identify the line I share with this person without a tree. (Just a good clue, not 100% certain.) This might sound complicated but it's not really. Doing this may lead you to decide whether you wish to contact this person about your relationship or not. I love the shared match feature!! My mom has done the test and so has a first cousin on my dads side. So I always check and can usually at least narrow it down to which side of the family the person comes from!! And I make notes so that I can remember who I have researched. I've had a lot of fun researching. But my own results came back pretty much what I expected! Unlike dh!
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Post by kellybelly77 on Apr 2, 2016 0:38:09 GMT
But in her husband's case the birth certificate doesn't even match the oral history: and when some a generation or two people don't have someone relating the details, an important piece of the family history - that the man who raised her husband WAS actually his father, even though the birth certificate claims he wasn't the father - will be lost. Is is possible for the husband to submit papers to correct the birth certificate? It will surely cost something, but I would not think it would be an outrageous amount. ...just to give correct date and perhaps make the father feel he has some "legitimate" claim to the son. He probably could. I don't know what he would need though. His bio father died when he was 17 and his mom died a couple years ago. So neither would be able to attest to the info. Honestly, I always kind of wondered if bio dad was actually bio dad. I mean they looked similar although his dad had jet black hair and was much darker skin tones. But MIL was a drug abuser, she lied on birth cert, then she later married bio dad but had an affair and got pregnant by another man. So dh's brother has the wrong dad on his birth cert as well!! His has bio dads name but was actually another man. So I wouldn't put it past her to lie about who dh's father was. But dh accepted him as his dad and was raised by him so he doesn't care. I'm telling you, his whole family is cuh-razy!!!!
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Apr 2, 2016 0:49:40 GMT
ALSO.... when you click through to their match page, if you click the i near where it tells you the expected relationship, it will give you a number of centimorgans (cM) of DNA that you share. Thank you for this. I had not been working with the matches that are not linked to a family tree. I just worked with one match that turns out to be a 2nd cousin on my dad's side (his grandfather was the brother of my grandfather). Turns out he does have a small tree, it just isn't linked to the DNA results. I didn't realize there might be information hidden within those matches w/o a tree! I have worked with my DNA results extensively and using the note feature have left notes identifying the names of all those I am related to in every tree I can. I also "star" these identified users. So... when I use shared match I quite often can easily see the relationships of the matches shown because of my notes leading me to possibly identify the line I share with this person without a tree. (Just a good clue, not 100% certain.) This might sound complicated but it's not really. Doing this may lead you to decide whether you wish to contact this person about your relationship or not. This is the system that I have been using, as I am not at the point of wanting to contact others just yet. It makes it easy to go back later and review what I've already found.
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Post by peasapie on Apr 2, 2016 3:07:36 GMT
They are all around the same cost, about $100 and sometimes cheaper if there's a sale. There's several companies that do them, as mentioned Ancestry, 23andme, also FTDNA (Family Tree DNA) and National Geographic do a slightly different version that looks at Neanderthal DNA etc.
I have another question that you may or may not be able to answer. What happens with your dna after they test it? Does it go into some database? Not that I am planning on committing a crime but would they be able to link me to my dna? I know that is a sketchy question but I do watch a lot of CSI and Criminal Minds! I recently read that some law enforcement agencies are attempting to get sanctioned access to these DNA testing site records. I posted a link a while back.
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Post by anniefb on Apr 2, 2016 4:03:14 GMT
You'd never know I had any NA. I look like my mom, it's all Eisenzimmer. My dad however could pass as NA or Hispanic. I did inherit the lack of wisdom teeth which I was quite happy about. Funny you should mention the no wisdom teeth thing. So my dad, who I'm pretty sure has 0 Native American blood in him, has no wisdom teeth. My mom, who is supposed to be 1/4 NA had 3 or 4. Thankfully, I also have no wisdom teeth. My brother had 2 wisdom teeth. Is this a trait common to Native Americans? Also, my husband who as far as we know is not NA, also has zero wisdom teeth. We are soooo curious about whether or not our kids will have them! Hopefully they will have none just like us. Genetics is so fun and interesting isn't it?!? Hmm interesting. I have absolutely no NA and only had 2 wisdom teeth. I was pretty pleased as they had to come out.
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Post by anniefb on Apr 2, 2016 4:48:56 GMT
Logically that makes sense to me...but I don't understand then why FTDNA says there is no "definable DNA mutation" for being Jewish (that is direct from their website). Or maybe I'm not understanding their terminology correctly. I have no idea about that site - I've never been there - so can't answer your question. I tested through Ancestry.com. Like elaine my understanding is that there are certain genomes which appear in the Ashkenazi population. Don't know about the FTDNA test but the Ancestry DNA test matches to people in the reference database who are known to be of Ashkenazi Jewish origin. So if parts of your DNA matches well with this reference group it's recognised as 'European Jewish'. My family comes from the former Austro-Hungarian empire with branches from modern day Austria, Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Poland and the Ukraine. My results came back 60% European Jewish which is lower than I expected considering 3 out of 4 grandparents were Jewish.
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Post by melissa on Apr 2, 2016 13:21:27 GMT
I'm thinkin'.... eh.... maybe from the area, but actually Jewish I think the opposite. I think the answer is VERY likely actually Jewish. As Elaine explained, Jewish groups married within their groups and there are far more markers aside from Tay-Sachs. That is just one example of a better known genetic disease within the Ashkenazi population. When you look at breast cancer susceptibility, there are 3 specific BRCA mutations that are found in those with Ashkenazi ancestry. And there are more than just these 2. I am sure there are non-disease related markers as well. What is important to understand is the persecution of this population which led to people going underground with their religion. Entire families lived as other religions to fit in with the community where they lived for safety reasons. Eventually, in some of these families, the religion was lost. In some families, that happened within a single generations. Stories of a grandmother who used to light candlesticks on the weekend are not uncommon in certain areas of the world in some generations of families raised as Christian. There's also the migratory factor as these families may have moved from place to place. I would guess that I have no German or English DNA, yet those are countries where my family comes from. The story is that those that came to the US from Germany actually came from Russia to Germany first. I think there is documentation of that as well.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 2, 2016 13:39:20 GMT
I'm thinkin'.... eh.... maybe from the area, but actually Jewish I think the opposite. I think the answer is VERY likely actually Jewish. As Elaine explained, Jewish groups married within their groups and there are far more markers aside from Tay-Sachs. That is just one example of a better known genetic disease within the Ashkenazi population. When you look at breast cancer susceptibility, there are 3 specific BRCA mutations that are found in those with Ashkenazi ancestry. And there are more than just these 2. I am sure there are non-disease related markers as well. What is important to understand is the persecution of this population which led to people going underground with their religion. Entire families lived as other religions to fit in with the community where they lived for safety reasons. Eventually, in some of these families, the religion was lost. In some families, that happened within a single generations. Stories of a grandmother who used to light candlesticks on the weekend are not uncommon in certain areas of the world in some generations of families raised as Christian. There's also the migratory factor as these families may have moved from place to place. I would guess that I have no German or English DNA, yet those are countries where my family comes from. The story is that those that came to the US from Germany actually came from Russia to Germany first. I think there is documentation of that as well. I was hoping to find some DNA evidence regarding my New Mexico relatives being Jewish. There has been quite a bit of research that many Spanish Jews fleeing the Inquisition traveled as far from the Catholic church as possible - ie the outer regions of the Viceroy - now New Mexico. I don't know if there's just been too many generations and marrying - but I didn't receive any hits. Or perhaps the Jews from the Iberian peninsula had different markers? I have Iberian - but no European Jew.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 2, 2016 13:49:46 GMT
I'm thinkin'.... eh.... maybe from the area, but actually Jewish I think the opposite. I think the answer is VERY likely actually Jewish. As Elaine explained, Jewish groups married within their groups and there are far more markers aside from Tay-Sachs. That is just one example of a better known genetic disease within the Ashkenazi population. When you look at breast cancer susceptibility, there are 3 specific BRCA mutations that are found in those with Ashkenazi ancestry. And there are more than just these 2. I am sure there are non-disease related markers as well. What is important to understand is the persecution of this population which led to people going underground with their religion. Entire families lived as other religions to fit in with the community where they lived for safety reasons. Eventually, in some of these families, the religion was lost. In some families, that happened within a single generations. Stories of a grandmother who used to light candlesticks on the weekend are not uncommon in certain areas of the world in some generations of families raised as Christian. There's also the migratory factor as these families may have moved from place to place. I would guess that I have no German or English DNA, yet those are countries where my family comes from. The story is that those that came to the US from Germany actually came from Russia to Germany first. I think there is documentation of that as well. It was mixed in with Eastern Eurpoean for a total of 1%. I just read something about my haplotype possibly originating in that area and I think that may be reflected in the test. It's possible someone was Jewish, but if so, it was many hundreds of years back. (Based on everything else I've found.) My BIL is Jewish. He lost a lot of family in WWII. His mother's brother was able to "pass" as non-Jewish long enough to be able to leave Europe.
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Post by maryland on Apr 2, 2016 13:53:18 GMT
Funny you should mention the no wisdom teeth thing. So my dad, who I'm pretty sure has 0 Native American blood in him, has no wisdom teeth. My mom, who is supposed to be 1/4 NA had 3 or 4. Thankfully, I also have no wisdom teeth. My brother had 2 wisdom teeth. Is this a trait common to Native Americans? Also, my husband who as far as we know is not NA, also has zero wisdom teeth. We are soooo curious about whether or not our kids will have them! Hopefully they will have none just like us. Genetics is so fun and interesting isn't it?!? Hmm interesting. I have absolutely no NA and only had 2 wisdom teeth. I was pretty pleased as they had to come out. I have no wisdom teeth and my oldest daughter has no wisdom teeth. She had 2 dental x-rays to confirm it. I have only met a few with no wisdom teeth. But I have inherited enough dental problems from my parents!
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Post by Sparki on Apr 2, 2016 14:57:30 GMT
I was hoping to find some DNA evidence regarding my New Mexico relatives being Jewish. There has been quite a bit of research that many Spanish Jews fleeing the Inquisition traveled as far from the Catholic church as possible - ie the outer regions of the Viceroy - now New Mexico. I don't know if there's just been too many generations and marrying - but I didn't receive any hits. Or perhaps the Jews from the Iberian peninsula had different markers? I have Iberian - but no European Jew. My husband, who as I've mentioned here before, grew up in northern New Mexico. His ancestors have records of being here for hundreds of years. DH is very light skinned, but tans well. Looks anglo enough to pass. He tested with 5% European Jew. His 88 year old mother tested with only around 1% European Jew. DH is 38% Native American, 28% Iberian Peninsula (Spain) 13% Italy/Greece and a smattering of others like Great Britain, Ireland, Africa, Asia. He has over 4,000 fourth cousins or closer who have tested. All the cousins in Northern New Mexico all look fairly similar, ethnically. Also, he did have his wisdom teeth. Had to have them pulled. Of interest, my husband's little niece is adopted in El Paso. Her birth parents were Mexican. Her dad had her tested, and the results came in yesterday. She is 50% Native American, 17% Iberian Peninsula, 9% Ireland, 6% Italy/Greece, 5% European Jew, 4% Africa, 2% Great Britain, 1% Scandinavian, 1% Finland/Russia.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 2, 2016 15:06:33 GMT
I was hoping to find some DNA evidence regarding my New Mexico relatives being Jewish. There has been quite a bit of research that many Spanish Jews fleeing the Inquisition traveled as far from the Catholic church as possible - ie the outer regions of the Viceroy - now New Mexico. I don't know if there's just been too many generations and marrying - but I didn't receive any hits. Or perhaps the Jews from the Iberian peninsula had different markers? I have Iberian - but no European Jew. My husband, who as I've mentioned here before, grew up in northern New Mexico. His ancestors have records of being here for hundreds of years. DH is very light skinned, but tans well. Looks anglo enough to pass. He tested with 5% European Jew. His 88 year old mother tested with only around 1% European Jew. DH is 38% Native American, 28% Iberian Peninsula (Spain) 13% Italy/Greece and a smattering of others like Great Britain, Ireland, Africa, Asia. He has over 4,000 fourth cousins or closer who have tested. All the cousins in Northern New Mexico all look fairly similar, ethnically. Of interest, my husband's little niece is adopted in El Paso. Her birth parents were Mexican. Her dad had her tested, and the results came in yesterday. She is 50% Native American, 17% Iberian Peninsula, 9% Ireland, 6% Italy/Greece, 5% European Jew, 4% Africa, 2% Great Britain, 1% Scandinavian, 1% Finland/Russia. Interesting - I've got to get my Mom to test - she has one, but hasn't taken it yet. I have a great aunt on that side as well, but I don't think she'd ever agree. She's in the I'm 100% Spanish from Spain camp. It's crazy how popular DNA testing is with the New Mexico crowd. I too have over a thousand 4th cousin matches and easily 99% of them are from my New Mexico branch. I guess it does help that they've been here since the 1700s and my other branches are much more recent arrivals from Ireland. But even my husband who's family I can trace back to the early 1700s in Virginia doesn't have nearly as many matches - a few hundred. Or perhaps in New Mexico we're all related!
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Post by Sparki on Apr 2, 2016 15:15:43 GMT
Interesting - I've got to get my Mom to test - she has one, but hasn't taken it yet. I have a great aunt on that side as well, but I don't think she'd ever agree. She's in the I'm 100% Spanish from Spain camp. It's crazy how popular DNA testing is with the New Mexico crowd. I too have over a thousand 4th cousin matches and easily 99% of them are from my New Mexico branch. I guess it does help that they've been here since the 1700s and my other branches are much more recent arrivals from Ireland. But even my husband who's family I can trace back to the early 1700s in Virginia doesn't have nearly as many matches - a few hundred. Or perhaps in New Mexico we're all related! What part of New Mexico? We are now in Santa Fe, but he grew up north of here. I wonder if you're one of DH's cousins! I think a lot of norteños want to prove that they are 100% spanish, and are either disappointed, or think the test is wrong! lol DH wasn't really surprised at his results. We were surprised at how interested his mom was in all the results.
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Post by red88 on Apr 2, 2016 15:33:43 GMT
I am fascinated with this. Where can I get a dna kit and about how much are they? I was thinking I'd do the same, then I read this article. I don't think I'll waste the money. Science for the win.
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Post by elaine on Apr 2, 2016 15:52:22 GMT
I am fascinated with this. Where can I get a dna kit and about how much are they? I was thinking I'd do the same, then I read this article. I don't think I'll waste the money. Science for the win. There was little in that article that hasn't already been discussed here on this thread. I think that most of us are pretty clear about the limitations, but still find it interesting.
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Post by MorellisCupcake on Apr 2, 2016 15:54:55 GMT
Just a side note about copying trees..
I have been researching for a while and found the names of my 5th great grandparents who came from Germany. It's incredibly helpful when they move to one area and stay there, as do most of their progeny. Excellent paper trail.
Same with the line for my father's maternal grandmother - one area in Scotland, absolutely amazing church records going back 8 generations. It's incredible.
Those I have faith in. Paper, paper, documentation, birth records, etc.
One tree that I was linked to had my German ancestor, and her "mother", who would have been 141 years old when she was born. Seriously. Yet that is out there on someone's tree for another person to copy.
I like finding a possible name that I mark as a "maybe" as it gives me something to research, try to prove, etc.
On my paternal great-great-grandfather's side, I cannot figure out who he was married to. My aunt has a tree showing that his wife's name was Isobel and that's their line. So I emailed her and said, how do you KNOW? What do you have that you can share? And I got back a fascinating story of William and Isabel Allen and real paperwork about their life. Cool. But is that OUR William? That's the link that's missing. And the story, which is in a book someone sent my aunt, is very interesting but doesn't confirm at all that they're our people.
I enjoy genealogy research (DH uses the word "obsessed" but what does he know). But it is frustrating sometimes too.
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Post by elaine on Apr 2, 2016 16:01:55 GMT
I think the opposite. I think the answer is VERY likely actually Jewish. As Elaine explained, Jewish groups married within their groups and there are far more markers aside from Tay-Sachs. That is just one example of a better known genetic disease within the Ashkenazi population. When you look at breast cancer susceptibility, there are 3 specific BRCA mutations that are found in those with Ashkenazi ancestry. And there are more than just these 2. I am sure there are non-disease related markers as well. What is important to understand is the persecution of this population which led to people going underground with their religion. Entire families lived as other religions to fit in with the community where they lived for safety reasons. Eventually, in some of these families, the religion was lost. In some families, that happened within a single generations. Stories of a grandmother who used to light candlesticks on the weekend are not uncommon in certain areas of the world in some generations of families raised as Christian. There's also the migratory factor as these families may have moved from place to place. I would guess that I have no German or English DNA, yet those are countries where my family comes from. The story is that those that came to the US from Germany actually came from Russia to Germany first. I think there is documentation of that as well. I was hoping to find some DNA evidence regarding my New Mexico relatives being Jewish. There has been quite a bit of research that many Spanish Jews fleeing the Inquisition traveled as far from the Catholic church as possible - ie the outer regions of the Viceroy - now New Mexico. I don't know if there's just been too many generations and marrying - but I didn't receive any hits. Or perhaps the Jews from the Iberian peninsula had different markers? I have Iberian - but no European Jew. If they were from the Iberian Peninsula, they would have been Sephardic Jews and I don't know if they carry specific genetic markers like the Ashkenazi Jews. They are a very different community, and it wouldn't have been common for the two groups to inter-marry. The way holidays were celebrated had differences, the foods were very different - even today there are Sephardic and Askenazic recipes for traditional foods - and even some of the definitions of the kosher laws were different. So, if you think your ancestors were Sephardic Jews from the Iberian peninsula, I wouldn't have expected European Jew to show up. As as an aside note - my cousin married someone from a Sephardic family - they moved to Mexico from Spain - and it was the most unique Jewish Wedding I've been to. Mariachi band and a Klezmer Band. Some different dances. It was a blast.
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Post by Sparki on Apr 2, 2016 18:29:11 GMT
If they were from the Iberian Peninsula, they would have been Sephardic Jews and I don't know if they carry specific genetic markers like the Ashkenazi Jews. They are a very different community, and it wouldn't have been common for the two groups to inter-marry. The way holidays were celebrated had differences, the foods were very different - even today there are Sephardic and Askenazic recipes for traditional foods - and even some of the definitions of the kosher laws were different. So, if you think your ancestors were Sephardic Jews from the Iberian peninsula, I wouldn't have expected European Jew to show up. As as an aside note - my cousin married someone from a Sephardic family - they moved to Mexico from Spain - and it was the most unique Jewish Wedding I've been to. Mariachi band and a Klezmer Band. Some different dances. It was a blast. My husband is Hispanic.... Sephardic Jew from the Iberian Peninsula shows as 5% European Jew. His daughter had to be tested from some problems that are associated with that. (Brcc, I think).
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