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Post by merry27 on Apr 5, 2016 15:42:54 GMT
My daughter is always so negative and woe-is-me. She is 8. She has always been like this and I'm tired of it. She is dramatic and putting me (and everyone else) in a bad mood. Anyone have a child like this? Did they change? Any ideas?
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Post by paigepea on Apr 5, 2016 15:47:37 GMT
My 7 yr old is like this. I turn it into a joke saying 'Oh B, im not surprised you think this is unfair because you think everything is unfair' but I turn it into a sarcastic / dramatic comment. When she was younger she'd get mad at me. Now that she's almost 8 she ends up laughing because she knows I'm right. It's her personality. I just have to work with it because I'm not going to change her. I doubt she'll be like this forever. And even if she is like this forever she has other amazing qualities (that her very positive sister doesn't have) which will make her a successful adult. Not that older dd won't be successful. They just have different strengths.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 5, 2016 15:54:03 GMT
Both of my boys were really good natured, but a friend of mine had a girl a little older than yours who had bouts of the woe talk. She took her to a soup kitchen to volunteer several times and said it helped. Good luck, it sounds like a typical bad behavior that really just needs to be curbed quickly. Some people just like to be Eeyore.
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Post by MorningPerson on Apr 5, 2016 16:00:52 GMT
One of my kids went through this around the same age. I told her for every negative thing she said, she had to find something positive to say.
Honestly, I think they [we] can get into such a habit of looking for the sucky things that we need to be nudged out of it somehow. This worked for us.
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Post by whopea on Apr 5, 2016 16:01:31 GMT
I have an adult brother like that and I don't know how he ended up that way. Nothing is his fault nor responsibility. So that your dd doesn't end up like that, I would try to introduce empathy and compassion to her. Perhaps by taking her to a soup kitchen or food bank to volunteer. One of the things we do is participate in a ministry through our church that provides bagged meals to low income kids for their meals on the weekend. It really hits home with our kids when they see that what they pack in that bag is the only food for some kids for an entire weekend. Find opportunities to get her to focus on someone other than herself - maybe a children's hospital? Or, start a blessings jar or journal and have her write in it each night something she is grateful for.
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Post by katlady on Apr 5, 2016 16:03:28 GMT
I think some people are just wired to be a glass half-empty type of person. I don't think you can change that. But the being dramatic part, maybe that can be worked on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 16:10:26 GMT
If she's "always" been like this, it may be worth a visit or two to a child psychologist to be sure that there isn't anything more serious going on. DS can be like that, but it's really a manifestation of anxiety and the ways to deal with that are not the same as how you'd deal with a garden variety negative Nelly.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 5, 2016 16:19:21 GMT
I was somewhat like that as a child. My mother was like that. Everything is a catastrophe, can find negativity in any situation, can never find a silver lining anywhere.
In the other hand, my father was the most positive person I ever met. He could always find a positive, rarely let mundane things get him down.
Gradually as I got older I could see that my father enjoyed life and my Mother did not. I began to consciously emulate my dad. And I made it a high priority to be like him when he died ( still darn positive ) I'm rarely not positive now but I can slip, hey everyone has bad days. But what I have learned is despite personality one CAN make a conscious choice to face the world in a more positive manner. I'm not sure wether it was nurture or nature for me as my mother was home more when I was young than my dad was so I don't know if I was naturally negative or emulating my Mothers example.
I have one child who can be this way if she doesn't actively choose to be otherwise. Here is what helped her:
Let them know they can choose to be that way or choose not to Be a positive role model for your child And determine some one (you ) or something (diary ) to be her garbage pail meaning the one safe place to vent about anything and everything. Teach them how to find joy in simple things
My DD does pretty darn good being positive to the world but it's difficult for me as I am her garbage pail so I had to reset my thinking as I hear every negative thought or vent that she has. And even now I'm her garbage pail to unload stuff. And all she wants is just someone to listen. That's it! But I have to remember when I'm Functioning as her place to pile crap and she helps me by ending with some postitve stuff and sometimes just thanking me for letting her get it off her chest
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on Apr 5, 2016 16:25:15 GMT
We were just working on this today at my son's therapist appointment. For every negative he says, we are going to say 3 positives and he is going to try to come up with 2. He is really smart for his age (6) but also very immature and defiant. Some of these behavior traits are just his personality but others I hope we can turn around.
I really dislike when he calls himself stupid for something he does not know. The fact is that he is smart but hard on himself about it. He is my temperamental, feisty son. He has a great sense of humor too but when he is down or mad, watch out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 16:34:51 GMT
I have one, also. She is 40 now. My mother was like that, also. She became worse as she aged and had driven everyone away by the time she passed away.
Still hoping, praying for a light bulb moment for my dd like hop2 describes.
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Post by merry27 on Apr 5, 2016 16:50:28 GMT
Thank you so much for the responses and suggestions! We do a gratitude journal and both say something positive Everytime she says something negative. We have also met with a therapist as she does have anxiety issues. I think it is hard for me because I have to make myself happy and focus on the positive. She really brings me down My oldest child is super positive and happy. Her negativity is affecting her socially and that worries me.
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Post by Lindarina on Apr 5, 2016 16:51:58 GMT
I have to children, one is like Tigger and the other is more like Eeyore the Donkey My son will often see the glass half empty, and can bring the mood down because he sometimes makes negative comments without thinking. It's his personality. If you ask him how well he slept, he'll always answer Not great. My husband was just like him as a child, and he grew up to be a well adjusted adult
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 5, 2016 16:52:13 GMT
I do exercises with my DD when she starts displaying a lot of negativity.
I ask her to name 3 positive things that happened that day. Even if the only thing she says is "the sun was out" that's still a positive thing to focus on.
Getting our negative kids to look for the positives is the real trick, especially when all they see is darkness and sadness. We can help them to see the beauty if we push them to look for it, to focus on the silver lining (which is gorgeous) instead of the dull grayness of the cloud.
Also, literally counting your blessings is a great way to see the positives. She might ask "What blessings? Everything is awful!" You can point out that she has both hands and both feet - some people do not. She can hear and see, has a safe place to sleep every night and delicious food to eat...so many do not. If she starts really focusing on the value of what she does have and the small bits of beauty around her, her negativity will start to fall away a bit.
There is something positive that happens every single day so help her to spot them. It seems small, but it makes a difference.
ETA: Here's another great exercise - get a glass and half fill it with something she really likes to drink then ask her if the glass is half full or half empty. She will likely say "half empty". Get her talking about the half full/half empty issue and then tell her "you know, the real question isn't whether the glass is half empty or half full, the real question is, "what's in the glass?" The answer is, of course, her favorite drink - a positive thing. Might give her a different perspective.
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Post by tincin on Apr 5, 2016 17:06:10 GMT
I tended to mirror my kids' bad behaviors and that soon turned things around. One of mine lied all the time. So finally my XH and I started doing it to him. Just lied about everything. Then when he would get upset with us our reply was something like "guess I lied but I don't know why." A couple of times of that seemed to curb his affection for untruths.
Not sure if it would work with your child or not. Good luck.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Apr 5, 2016 17:16:44 GMT
My DD was like this She's now 19 and is improving some after being away for a year at school. She also got a job and it has helped her equate hours of work to what she wants. It has also made her appreciate things more. It will hopefully get better.
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Post by used2scrap on Apr 5, 2016 17:25:31 GMT
I tend to be a glass half empty type of person, more of a realist than an optimist. My suggestion is to try validating her...using an example from above, I rarely have a good nights sleep. So if someone asks how I sleep, and I say Not Great, being met with a Suzy Sunshine attitude will make things worse. I'd much prefer someone just say I'm sorry, is there anything I can do to help. Certainly try to help her find positives, but please try not to make her feel like her feelings are all wrong. And someone who always sees or expects the worst is likely coming from a place of fear and anxiety.
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Post by jenjie on Apr 5, 2016 17:41:02 GMT
My 7 yr old is like this. I turn it into a joke saying 'Oh B, im not surprised you think this is unfair because you think everything is unfair' but I turn it into a sarcastic / dramatic comment. When she was younger she'd get mad at me. Now that she's almost 8 she ends up laughing because she knows I'm right. It's her personality. I just have to work with it because I'm not going to change her. I doubt she'll be like this forever. And even if she is like this forever she has other amazing qualities (that her very positive sister doesn't have) which will make her a successful adult. Not that older dd won't be successful. They just have different strengths. Ds11 can be like this. We were in the car yesterday. Dd said " ds11 thinks you don't like him and never do anything for him." I said "that's because I don't like him and never do anything for him." In the rear view mirror I saw a big thumbs up from the back seat. Kids are weird.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 5, 2016 17:45:40 GMT
I can be a bit like that... and when I started to see it in my daughter I made sure we both changed.
She was probably a bit younger than 8... maybe 6..
When she would want to tell me something negative I would say tell me three great things first.
As we went along I had to help her find the great things... she would get into a rut, the sun is shining, my teacher is nice...
I also tried to do the same thing with her and my ex.
Two of the three of us greatly benefited.... the third lives in perpetual sunshine and is always a downer!
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Post by lancermom on Apr 5, 2016 17:57:51 GMT
My son is like this. Negative Norman! DH and I do our best to be positive, but he just shrugs it off. When sonething exciting happens there is no reaction. It is so frustrating. Yesterday we had his IEP meeting. One teacher said he is always smiling and is positive. Honestly, if she had emailed me I would have thought she had wrong kid. It is like he sees all grey, dark clouds and rain. We have done it all, therapists, journals, nothing works.
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Post by seikashaven on Apr 5, 2016 18:08:14 GMT
I can come across like this sometimes. It's absolutely part of my anxiety. I feel calmer if I'm prepared for the very worst outcome. It's not that I don't see the positives, it's that they don't bring me comfort or help me feel protected. If I know I can survive the worst then what actually occurs is going to be such a relief by comparison.
It's good for her to learn that she's fortunate. But make sure that you do that without giving her the impression that all her feelings are wrong.
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Post by penny on Apr 5, 2016 18:09:15 GMT
If she's "always" been like this, it may be worth a visit or two to a child psychologist to be sure that there isn't anything more serious going on. DS can be like that, but it's really a manifestation of anxiety and the ways to deal with that are not the same as how you'd deal with a garden variety negative Nelly. This... If you see someone being an 'Eeyore', always good to make sure there's nothing underlying... Anxiety presents in a lot of different ways, and there's a lot of techniques for dealing with it that work well... I can look back and see now how some of those simple techniques could've made a world of difference to me in school, friendships, etc... They're great skills to have and if it's something helpful to her, the earlier the better - kids learn so fast... I'm obviously a bit biased on what it could be, but talking down ideas/events/options/outcomes is something I do when my anxiety acts up, so your description feels familiar to me... For me, it starts as anxiety about whatever, but then as I see the effect my anxiety/talking down has on others, it multiplies... Then I'm anxious about the thing and how I'm ruining stuff for others, how they must not like me, etc... That brings feelings of guilt, shame, feeling even more out of control... Anyways - it's manageable now that I can recognize it and I have a lot more fun and positive experiences that I would've never had before too
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Post by mlana on Apr 5, 2016 18:42:05 GMT
My DD case be like that and she is prone to anxiety/depression. When she gets started telling me something and she starts concentrating on the negatives in the story, I stop her and ask her if anything GOOD happens in this story. It makes her stop and think about what she is saying and where her thoughts are lingering. There are even times, now that she is an adult, that I tell her to just stop, I can't take anymore negativity - if she can't find something good in what happened, she has to keep it to herself. She is a born storyteller (not a liar type storyteller, just someone who enjoys relating things) and it kills her to be told she can't share something. Nine times out of ten, she'll stop for a minute and then start again, but with a completely different slant on the story. By the time she's done, she's much more positive.
When she was younger and I wasn't as comfortable telling her she couldn't share something with me, I'd tell her that she had to tell me 3 good things that happened in whatever she is relating to me. She'd get so mad! She'd say nothing good happened, it was all bad, and I'd tell her that nothing is ALL bad. She'd think about it, then find something good to say, even if it was just that her hair looked good that day. Let's face it, how bad can a day be when it starts with good hair?! Once she even one positive thing, she could be happy.
I wondered if her tendency to get bogged down in the negatives was due to the attention that we as a society pay to negatives. When bad things happen to someone, we tend to gather round and give them a great deal of attention. When good things happen, we tend to go "Great!" and move on.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 5, 2016 19:55:22 GMT
My DD(5) sometimes gets in ruts like this and it drives me nuts. All it takes is for the occasional thing to not go right and she immediately gets down on herself or life in general, as in "I'm no good at this!" if she misses something by one point or, "Nothing EVER goes my way!" when quite obviously that isn't true. It's not even a matter of reframing things because she refuses to see it any other way. I can point out that she really IS good at the thing (much better than most other kids her age actually, her expectations are just unreasonably high sometimes) but to get to the next level she's going to have to work at it a bit more. Or I can point out how many things she DOES have going her way, but that one thing that isn't is like a dark cloud hanging over her head. Thankfully it isn't all the time or even most of the time that she seems to feel that way or I would have her talk to someone about it. I have to admit that I had those tendencies too when I was young, but I had things happen in my life that negatively impacted me at that stage too (multiple immediate family members passed away, etc.) that she hasn't experienced. It wasn't until I was in my 20's when I realized that I was in charge of my own happiness and made a conscious decision to turn that bus around. Hopefully I can help her learn that lesson sooner than I did. I spent a lot of years being needlessly unhappy.
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Post by eleezybeth on Apr 5, 2016 23:15:51 GMT
I agree with others, it sounds like anxiety. She can't really verbalize that she feels anxious but she can portray disappointment and woe is me. It fits, you accept it as her personality (not like, accept). Next time she does it, ask, "Can you tell me how you are feeling right now?" I don't know or I can't are never acceptable answers - teach her this before you try this. Keep a journal for when this happens the most. You'll start to see her triggers. She is 8- not 40. 40 year olds have problem managing this, so keep that in mind when you think about what she can manage at 8. My kid's trigger is being away from home. Holy crap can she ruin a trip!!!!!!!!!!! When I feel like screaming at her that if she ruins another trip I will cause her enough bodily harm to be arrested!!! I pause, and say, "Okay kid, what are you afraid of." It is usually something like, "I don't know where we will eat dinner." Or, "That road we just crossed was really busy." It's taken us A LOT of work to get there but it is really up to me to figure out what the trigger will be. For mine, that "not knowing" is a lot like being out of control. Maps are like a big ol' xanax for her. If I can get her a map, she goes all Rain Man and life is awesome!
Hang in there momma!
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Post by hop2 on Apr 5, 2016 23:30:50 GMT
Thank you so much for the responses and suggestions! We do a gratitude journal and both say something positive Everytime she says something negative. We have also met with a therapist as she does have anxiety issues. I think it is hard for me because I have to make myself happy and focus on the positive. She really brings me down My oldest child is super positive and happy. Her negativity is affecting her socially and that worries me. Then someone/something else needs to be her garbage pail where she can safely plop any negative stuff. Maybe a diary even if it's pictures. Maybe a video diary on an iPad. It is hard, I had my own mindset to keep up so it was quite a long time before I realized that I was her safe place. To everyone else she was a ray of sunshine. I swear I thought her preschool teachers were horrors until I heard her describe her day to her father I was like wow that saturable different day than I heard. Lol. If it brings you down you need to encourage her to have a different outlet.
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Post by georgiapea on Apr 6, 2016 1:12:25 GMT
My DH is like this and it's such a downer. Plus he makes constant excuses for why something is not his fault. Drives me bonkers. He's in Texas for 3 weeks so I have a whine free house.
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Post by craftygardenmom on Apr 7, 2016 15:05:27 GMT
This is (was) my 9 yr old DD, and a few weeks ago I'd had it with her woe-is-me attitude and complaining about what she didn't have vs. being thankful for all she does have. So I gave her a small notebook and told her every day she had to write 3 things she was thankful for, no repeats within the same week. It could be as simple as "I'm thankful for my warm bed" or "I'm thankful for toilet paper" for all I cared, but she had to write 3 different things each day, each week (21 thankfuls). After the first week I think she thought I was going to grade her when I asked to see the notebook, but all i did was look through it, smile at several of her entries, and say, "Good job! Keep it up." I didn't want to "grade her" on anything but actually writing the 3 things down as requested, no judgments on what she actually wrote down. While she still complains occasionally about things and needs her attitude "checked" now and then, her attitude has definitely improved. When I asked her about it the other day, she says the best thing about it is she can write whatever she wants, and she is starting to see she has a lot to be happy about. Hope that helps a little OP - sometimes it really can bring the whole mood of the house down when 1 person is so unhappy/woeful all the time. Trying to get them to realize the world doesn't revolve around them and they can't hold us all "hostage" to their bad attitude is not easy - baby steps. I may be in the minority parenting corner here, but at 8/9 years old I have no qualms about laying it out for my DD how very lucky she is, and showing her some examples of how kids in other countries have it much tougher. Kind of like how our parents often said, "Eat your dinner! There are starving children in China!"
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