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Post by pudgygroundhog on Apr 5, 2016 18:38:23 GMT
Opiate Addiction? ( Dreamland on Goodreads) I finished the book recently and thought it was great. Wondering if anybody else has read it and wants to chat about it.
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Post by auntkelly on Apr 5, 2016 18:55:58 GMT
I just loaded it on my Kindle. I've only read a few pages, so I really can't discuss it yet, but I'll bookmark this thread and come back when I'm further along in the book.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 5, 2016 18:59:26 GMT
never heard of it before, but it sounds interesting!
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 5, 2016 20:36:59 GMT
pudgygroundhog you should watch This is Life with Lisa Ling on Netflix. It's season 1, episode 2 and talks about the drug issues in Utah. I do think the members interviewed downplayed how there is a strong push for perfection in the LDS church. I don't know if the book touches on the LDS influence in Utah, but LDS are not supposed to drink alcohol, coffee, or tea. They are not supposed to smoke. A lot of people start off with prescription drugs (it's okay because a doctor gave them the pills), a habit forms, they can no longer afford the pills, and they turn to heroin.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 22:41:27 GMT
No but that sounds interesting...unfortunately I know two people who I think fit into this
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Post by tracym1 on Apr 5, 2016 23:43:22 GMT
Excellent book! I had heard talk that we were experiencing a spike in heroin addiction in the country, but I didn't understand how it was happening. This book really lays it out. And I appreciated the connection between the proliferation of painkiller subscriptions and the heroin epidemic. The medical story behind why narcotic painkillers were so widely prescribed is fascinating.
Definitely recommend picking this up. And if the topic is interesting to you, HBO has a documentary called "Heroin: Cape Cod, USA" that talks about the epidemic from the user's perspective. Very powerful.
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Post by oaksong on Apr 5, 2016 23:52:09 GMT
This is a subject I find really fascinating. I haven't read the book, but thanks for the recommendation.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Apr 6, 2016 0:47:17 GMT
No but that sounds interesting...unfortunately I know two people who I think fit into this I think it's becoming harder to find a community that hasn't been touched by this. I personally know one person who lost a daughter and know of friends of friends who have lost kids. It's very sad.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Apr 6, 2016 0:52:12 GMT
Excellent book! I had heard talk that we were experiencing a spike in heroin addiction in the country, but I didn't understand how it was happening. This book really lays it out. And I appreciated the connection between the proliferation of painkiller subscriptions and the heroin epidemic. The medical story behind why narcotic painkillers were so widely prescribed is fascinating. Definitely recommend picking this up. And if the topic is interesting to you, HBO has a documentary called "Heroin: Cape Cod, USA" that talks about the epidemic from the user's perspective. Very powerful. I had heard bits and pieces about the painkiller and heroin problem, but liked seeing it all pieced together in one place. I didn't know about the shifts within the medical community regarding pain and I thought the tracing of this history was great (and definitely disconcerting given it was a one paragraph letter that led to a lot of the misleading information about opiate painkillers not being addictive). And I didn't know about the Xalisco boys and their new model of heroin distribution. I did find the book repetitive after a bit - but overall I still thought it was great. I had previously listened to an interview with a recovered heroin addict who just published a memoir. I was appalled that after having a c-section the dr casually gave her a 30 day prescription of a strong painkiller. She said she was lucky she had a support system and she didn't fall back into addiction, but she was shocked she was so easily given pills given her history.
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Post by Zee on Apr 6, 2016 1:04:10 GMT
I'm going to read it, thanks for the reminder. When I was in nursing school in the 90s there was a huge push to eliminate the "old" way of telling everyone to bite the bullet. We were taught that everyone had a right to have their pain acknowledged and treated and that their pain is whatever they say it is (If they're walking around chatting and eating snacks and say it's a ten, then it's a ten, no matter what the clinical picture presents). That addiction is very rare; really the only problem for most period will be growing tolerance for larger and larger doses. This was well-intentioned, but for obvious reasons, treating everyone's pain with opiates really wasn't a good idea. Addiction is everywhere, and "great ideas" like time-release narcotics have been terribly abused. And now, those with legitimate pain are looked at askance because of all the abusers. And I get why they want it. I've never abused anything, but when I've had vicodin it was just so nice to lie back and not have anything hurt for a change. I've had pretty much daily headaches since I was 14 and my back sucks. I avoid pain medication because I've seen too many people turned into strangers by addiction and I get the allure. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg)
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Apr 6, 2016 2:10:14 GMT
I'm going to read it, thanks for the reminder. When I was in nursing school in the 90s there was a huge push to eliminate the "old" way of telling everyone to bite the bullet. We were taught that everyone had a right to have their pain acknowledged and treated and that their pain is whatever they say it is (If they're walking around chatting and eating snacks and say it's a ten, then it's a ten, no matter what the clinical picture presents). That addiction is very rare; really the only problem for most period will be growing tolerance for larger and larger doses. This was well-intentioned, but for obvious reasons, treating everyone's pain with opiates really wasn't a good idea. Addiction is everywhere, and "great ideas" like time-release narcotics have been terribly abused. And now, those with legitimate pain are looked at askance because of all the abusers. And I get why they want it. I've never abused anything, but when I've had vicodin it was just so nice to lie back and not have anything hurt for a change. I've had pretty much daily headaches since I was 14 and my back sucks. I avoid pain medication because I've seen too many people turned into strangers by addiction and I get the allure. This is exactly what was discussed in the book - this won't be anything new to you or anybody else who is in the medical field - but was new to me. I found it very interesting. My impression was that most doctors were prescribing painkillers with the intention to really help people, but there were some egregious cases of bad doctors who set up "pill mills" or did other illegal/unethical things and really caused a lot of problems (one of the main "bad guys" profiled in the book subscribed pills in the millions). The pharma companies really pushed the drugs and certainly had some shady practices- mainly denying that people could become addicted. And OxyContin was a game changer because it could more easily be crushed or liquified versus previous drugs that contained acetaminophen that made it a lot harder to extract the opiates. Insurance companies carried some of the blame too as they often refused to pay for more holistic treatment of pain (I mean holistic like a total approach with physical therapy, different doctors, etc, not bone broth and essential oils and crap like that, lol), but were willing to pay for pills. And doctors were/are under pressure to see more patients and with limited time with each patient, it's easiest to just prescribe some pills and move them out. And people also want the pills and not have to deal with more than that (not saying that people don't have legitimate reasons for taking painkillers, but in the book several times it was mentioned about patients who didn't want to hear about diet, exercise, quitting bad habits, and just wanted the drugs). The Medicaid system was also a factor in how people were getting pills cheaply and then reselling them. I knew that people often moved from painkillers to heroin (much cheaper - I was surprised at how cheap black tar heroin is), but didn't know just how linked they were. Some of the dealers specifically targeted areas with Oxy problems (mainly in the Rust Belt and Appalachia); those areas were primed for heroin. And these areas had suffered greatly when manufacturing jobs dried up and I think this is also linked to the report released last year that showed death rates going up for middle aged white Americans due to suicide, drugs, and alcohol. Anyway, I could ramble on for a long time. The book was really good! There was a lot to untangle there and the author did a good job pulling in all the various pieces. ETA: And I'm sorry you suffer from headaches and back pain. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) I think the painkillers can be life changing to those who suffer and hopefully new guidelines will allow those who need the relief to get it. I'm sure there will be another shift in the medical community as the epidemic has grown. At the very least when they do prescribe medication they can be really clear about the possibility of addiction and provide resources and info for patients.
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Post by Zee on Apr 6, 2016 2:18:25 GMT
I'll be sure to check it out, thanks!
ETA thanks re the pain, but I'm well used to it. I'm not really suffering, it's just that the absence of pain when I had the vicodin was really noticeable and I can see how that could be very alluring. There's no reason for the headaches, it's just life and it could be worse--at least they're not migraines, and my back hurts at the end of every day but at least I can still run and exercise and all that stuff so I have much to be thankful for. I do truly worry about what I'll feel like in 40 years, though. :/
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